Re: [Trisquel-users] Extended-Term Support

2018-02-03 Thread jason

"Or can it be other reasons to use older kernels?"

Yes, I suppose there could be any number of reasons. One I can think of is  
the radeon kernel module. On newer kernel versions the module is known to  
fall over and die when the proprietary junk is not present, resulting in the  
computer using VESA and getting a lower screen resolution. I know of a few  
people that have stuck with older versions in order to avoid this.


This could also be an example of a regression, and could also be a reason  
that someone would use an LTS or ETS kernel because the version that worked  
for them (3.2) was an LTS kernel. People that stayed on the older LTS version  
never experienced that problem, while those that moved on to ever-newer  
versions were bitten by the bug, which still exists to this day as far as I  
know.


"is it logical to say that it's recommended to use the newest one then?"

Not necessarily. What might be "recommended" depends on someone's priorities.  
This circles back to the features vs. stability problem. This could be  
compared to using the Testing version of some GNU/Linux distribution versus  
the Stable version. Testing is newer. Stable has the version numbers of the  
packages frozen on release and so will get older with time. It gets bug and  
security fixes only. Which is better? Which is "recommended"? That's a  
decision someone will have to make on their own about what they find to be  
more important to them.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Extended-Term Support

2018-02-03 Thread svenerik_vn
Interesting. I think I understand a little better now. There are still some  
things I find strange though.
Let's say you're using the latest kernel and everything seems to be working  
fine, is it logical to say that it's recommended to use the newest one then?
Or can it be other reasons to use older kernels? Like for example... maybe  
older kernels take up less space or something?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Extended-Term Support

2018-02-02 Thread jason

You can also think of it as being a form of change control:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change_control


Re: [Trisquel-users] Extended-Term Support

2018-02-02 Thread jason
Newer versions do more than just bug fixes and provide security updates: They  
also introduce new functionality. Anything is fair game once Linus Torvalds  
opens the merge window at kernel.org for people to send in their changes for  
the next major kernel release. The concern is that adding in new  
functionality can also introduce new problems. Yes, those can be fixed with  
later patch updates to those newer versions but by having LTS or ETS versions  
that limit changes to bug and security fixes those kinds problems can be  
avoided in the first place. So, LTS and ETS versions are a good choice for  
someone that places a higher priority over long-term stability than over  
having the latest version with the latest functions. It's the same reason  
that someone might choose an LTS version of a distro.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Extended-Term Support

2018-02-02 Thread svenerik_vn
I don't quite understand. I mean.. isn't new versions of Linux-libre released  
to fix bugs etc? In that sense it is logical to always upgrade to the newest  
release?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Extended-Term Support

2018-02-01 Thread jason
Just like the long-term support (LTS) kernels you get bug fixes, security  
updates, backported features. An ETS kernel is a good choice for someone that  
wants the reliability and dependability of an LTS version for an extended  
period.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Extended-Term Support

2018-02-01 Thread svenerik_vn

What does it actually mean that it is "supported"?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Extended-Term Support

2018-02-01 Thread jodiendo

jxself

That is real cool of yourself in adding more support.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Extended-Term Support

2018-01-26 Thread calmstorm
Please make this available for arm in the future... eoma68-a20 + ETS kernel =  
awesome!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Extended-Term Support

2018-01-24 Thread greatgnu

\o/



[Trisquel-users] Extended-Term Support

2018-01-23 Thread jason

Hello,

I wanted to share that I've added another support option for my Linux-libre  
APT repo. In addition to Long-Term Support (LTS) kernels, which are supported  
for 2 years, I'm adding Extended-Term Support (ETS) kernels, which are  
supported for 6 years.


I've updated https://jxself.org/linux-libre/ to include a blurb about STS,  
LTS, and ETS and how they're different.


Enjoy!