Hi!
Do you think Trisquel is ok for the general public to use already?
Curious. To be honest, I think not yet. Well, I don't know.
On 04/08/2015 08:19 AM, xnchg...@guerrillamailblock.com wrote:
This is such a terrible attitude.
The vast majority of computer users will *never* type anything
I think Trisquel is OK for the general public to use.
You don't need to even touch the terminal to use Trisquel, but people on the
forums tell people how to use it anyways. (I'm guilty of this as well...)
Add/Remove Applications is fine, but GNOME Software is much better. I hope
Trisquel 8
Yeah.
I wonder why the heck Trisquel sticks with gnome-app-install when it's long
been deprecated upstream (replaced by Software Center), but it does work OK.
Do you beleive in the virtue of software freedom? If you think it's okay for
free software to be useable only by a small minority of people, then in
effect you're saying most people should use proprietary software
This statement is _ridiculous_.
The virtue of software freedom is neither
This is such a terrible attitude.
The vast majority of computer users will *never* type anything into a command
line, ever. The vast majority of computer users simply will not use an
operating system the use of which requires them to type anything into a
command line, and nothing anyone
By the way, I did indeed install Icedove using the terminal. My original
post was a general commentary about the transition to Icedove, not a request
for help. Perhaps that was not clear and if so I appologize.
My point here is that just use the terminal is not a good answer from a
well..don't use add/remove apps - the app is flawed anyway. Use synaptics or
better yet the terminal and aptitude search and apt-get install..
I'd have to say the transition is not going smoothly so far.
Just as an example, take the case of a new user of Trisquel 7.0 who is
accustomed to installing software from Add/Remove Applications. He goes to
Add/Remove Applications, and searches for Thunderbird (because he's used it
in the
Thunderbird won't install from Add/Remove Applications, so I tried sudo
apt-get install thunderbird, whereupon I was informed that IceDove had
replaced Thunderbird and the installation of IceDove proceeded forthwith
without incident.
Now I'm hunting for the Profiles location so I can start
yes. copy the folder to /home
and yes. you need to rename it .icedove
In the home user folder, there's a .thunderbird (or .icedove) folder. Copy
that to your Trisquel home and (if needed) rename to .icedove
Don't forget Evolution!
I seem to recall there being an issue installing Lightning for this version
of Icedove. Does anyone have experience with this?
Actually, the one for Wheezy works as well, so try that instead.
And there it is! Thanks much developers et al!
You can take it from Debian's repos http://mozilla.debian.net/ (The one for
Squeeze (oldstable), Icedove version ESR works prefectly - not sure about the
one for Wheezy.
+1 for claws-mail with plugins (bogofilter, mail archiver, mailmbox, pgp,
fancy html, RSSyl [feed reader]. Osmo is a good alternative to Lightning,
much better than vcalendar plugin.
Would like to see claws be the default email client, on Trisquel mini
sylpheed is default, but IMHO claws
So, no solution yet? Can we not add a version of Icedove to the Trisquel 6.01
repos? Really? 6.01 is supported until 2017.
update your package list
sudo apt-get update
then try.. I got it today
Icedove (the one I installed according to the link I provided above) has
certainly got it.
So you basically want to say that it took two years to remove a package in
order to fix a bug with highest priority (which the existence of nonfree
software in trisquel in fact is)?
Sorry, but it gets harder and harder for me to take trisquel seriously
For those on Trisquel 6:
http://mozilla.debian.net/ (The instructions for Squeeze works, I haven't
tried the one for Jessie).
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/isp-database
just found this in the internet.
does that also count for icedove?
I don't get this:
There was an FSF blog post from either earlier this year or last year making
a list of software the FSF was using, and Thunderbird was in the list. It has
been absolutely common knowledge that Thunderbird was in Trisquel. People
talked about and recommended Thunderbird
Everything works great. The only issue I have is the missing import function
in vCalendar, so I have to rewrite all entries from Lightning.
Yes, it helped. Thank you for clarifying that jxself, I didn't fully
understand all of that. :)
Could you tell us about the email you mentioned? Never heard of it.
A user reported this issue on the IRC channel several days ago, then
mailed it to RMS (who reminded us of it at least on
https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2014-10/msg7.html).
Known obvious freedom issues open for 1.5+ years after the developer
decided that they need to be
Nice to know, Thanks you :)
Are there any instruction for upgrade and removing thunderbird for icedove on
trisquel 6?
Thanks you.
OK, but instead of removing thunderbird completely on T6, wouldn't it have
been a better idea to replace it with icedove and add a transitional package
for thunderbird?
Yeah, Trisquel should be patching Ubuntu's Thunderbird appropriately and
renaming the package to e.g. icedove, and the thunderbird package should
become a transitional package for the new package. Suddenly panicking and
removing Thunderbird entirely was a bad decision.
I note that the
And you're honestly saying that Thunderbird was in Trisquel by mistake
for all that time, and the mistake was only realized when RMS sent an email
about it?
I have to agree, I even made a forum post asking why we weren't using icedove
well over a year ago, and got exactly one response (I
christian wrote:
And you're honestly saying that Thunderbird was in Trisquel by
mistake for all that time, and the mistake was only realized when
RMS sent an email about it?
I have to agree, I even made a forum post asking why we weren't
using icedove well over a year ago, and got exactly
This wasn't a mistake, it's been common knowledge.
Knowledge of a mistake doesn't mean that it didn't originate as a mistake. It
did take a long time to get corrected, yes, and many people knew of this
being an example of non-free software existing in Trisquel. It's still a
mistake though
Man, thunderbird was part of trisquel for years and years.
Now that it has been removed for a few days we shouldn't even tell people
anymore how to install it? This is just ridiculous, sorry.
Unfortunately the state of freedom can change on these projects. So long as
you can ensure that you are getting a purely free version then it is no real
issue for installation instructions but that cannot be done here.
Personally I'm just saddened that Thunderbird is no longer free software
Thunderbirs was very slow, my alternative is:
Thunderbird: sudo apt-get install claws-mail
Enigmail: sudo apt-get install claws-mail-pgpinline claws-mail-pgpmime
AntiSpam: sudo apt-get install claws-mail-bogofilter
Notification: sudo apt-get install claws-mail-multi-notifier
For html e-mail:
Thanks for your information.
I will give claws-mail a try.
You are using claws-mail-pgpinline, right? Is everything working well? I
remember one issue with enigmail in the past where it failed to encrypt mails
and sent these mails unencrypted.
I have to write a new appamor profile for
What are you talking about? Afaik the trademark issues with thunderbird
existee for a long time.
Can you explain which changes you mean?
Yes, for me it works really good.
Thunderbird in theory IS free software, but free software evangelists don't
like that it uses the Mozilla add-ons page which contains some non-free
packages.
Btw, does this IceDove release replace the integrated Bing search with
DuckDuckGo?
People should not install package outside repositoires.
Apt check each packages against their digital signature and if the signature
don't match the official one, warn you and ask you what to do (install anyway
or discard).
Usually when you have this error just run apt-get update and
Ok, I've removed the Thunderbird part.
Thank you.
I have tried apt-get upgrade but I have no updates from thunderbird, icedove
or whatever.
When are the replacement planned?
Thanks you.
That's true, but the ubuntu/debian keyrings are included in the Trisquel
repos, so you don't need to import external keys to verify
Man, thunderbird was part of trisquel for years and years.
By mistake.
Thunderbird in theory IS free software
Even if you ignore the add-on problem it is not because all four freedoms are
not available. You get 3 or maybe 3.5 depending on how you count. Rebranded
versions allow you to escape Mozilla's crazy licensing and restore all 4. So
Mozilla Thunderbird
Ah so that's why.
Is there any chance of including Icedove in 6?
Trisquel 6.01 is supported until 2017 with no Thunderbird/Icedove? How would
I install either of these programs?
The proper way to transition is replacing with transitional packages, not by
removing the package. Trisquel has too many of these annoying issues with
packages.
Well, if you want to install Icedove I'd suggest you install gdebi first:
$ sudo apt-get install gdebi
Then, try to download Icedove from debian's repos, try Jessie or Wheezy:
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/icedove
Afterwards, cd to the Download directory and use Gedbi to install:
$
This is unsafe.
Please don't follow this istruction.
Install software only via apt-get that download package from the
repositoires.
How is this unsafe? These aren't just some random binaries, they're
packages maintained by the Debian and Ubuntu projects. Also, this doesn't
enable updates, so it's not as if you have to worry about something no good
being recommended as an upgrade later.
Please, expose why, I want to know.
This is not a pasive-agressive comment, I really want to know why it is so.
Part of the suggestion was going to Ubuntu and installing Thunderbird.
Thunderbird is not free software. Please don't suggest installing non-free
software on these forums or the mailing list.
Q\\\I'm glad this has finally been done; now, we're free of conflicts
with Mozilla's trademark issues.
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for this info brah!
I still have Thunderbird and I cant update.
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package icedove is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from
Claws-Mail is the best!!
Thunderbird is not available either in Trisquel 6 or 7, anymore. But Icedove
has only been added to the repository of Trisquel 7.
I figured as much, I'm back on T6 and could not find IceDove.
Today, I just ran 'sudo aptitude update' and after that I noticed that
Thunderbird has become an obsolete package.
IceDove is available in the repository, and it seems that Thunderbird has
been replaced by IceDove.
Yes, the change was necessary to avoid Mozilla's trademark policy which
disallowed commercial distribution - a necessary thing to have freedom #2.
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