Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-17 Thread masonhock
I think that your confusion is with copyright and copyleft work and how licenses apply to software. You seem to be under the impression that the license applies to only binaries, but it applies to the source code. Having access to the source code does not allow you to use, modify, or

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-17 Thread i_write_words
The down and dirty explanation for my nine year old, as far as reverse engineering Minetest texture packs and other little kid stuff, is that if you don't see the GPL, it's proprietary so hands off. Of course I have a deeper understanding when I've had my coffee. ;) There are other

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-17 Thread hd-scania
I of course know how a free and copyleft license works, our GPL is notable one, you are licensed which you must fully protect freedom and must restrict nothing, must stand firm against every back-doors and every surveillances. But I honestly dunno how free but permissive licenses (like BSD

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-16 Thread i_write_words
Thank you. I just can't bring myself to install Mint, but my peeps may well be a lot more vulnerable than your peeps, ergo my (sometimes ever verging on irrational) passion for Trisquello, despite my blase ho hum irreverent attitude towards the achievements of the illustrious Senor

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-16 Thread greatgnu
>I never particularly liked Linux Mint As much as I'd dislike having in it on a computer that I own (not gonna happen) even more so I like it installed on a mate's computer: it really is the only distro my semi-illiterate mates NEVER have any issue, give credit where it's due..

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-16 Thread i_write_words
Hi gd_scandia, I remember doing that. I never particularly liked Linux Mint, but I did a bunch of small newbie friendly distros like Simply Mepis, LXLE, AntiX, etc. on VMs whenever I got frustrated by all the trolls on the Trisquel boards my first year or so in the community. I guess it

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-16 Thread onpon4
"Suspectedly" is not a word, so that doesn't help at all. What do you mean by "suspectedly written"? > Of course you cant relicense their binaries, but if they are the sources? No difference. It's still copyrighted. Copyright works on all works, not just compiled binaries. > unless this

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-16 Thread onpon4
That doesn't make sense to me either. What are you talking about?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-16 Thread hd-scania
"Licenses which are suspectedly written". Of course you cant relicense their binaries, but if they are the sources? Sources mean where you make a derivative, of course you are free to license you this work under GPL, unless this is prohibited against the original license.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-16 Thread hd-scania
"Taking denials against one" is antonym against "taking credits for him".

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-15 Thread onpon4
You can't relicense code you don't hold the copyright to. What does "licenses suspectedly written to us" mean?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-15 Thread onpon4
"freeware" and "free software" are not the same thing. "Freeware" typically refers to software which is available at no charge. I don't know what you mean by "take denials against Torvalds".

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-15 Thread hd-scania
Do you mean that, nonfreeware packages those aren’t blobs should be mostly ‘‘nonfree’’ due to their licenses suspectedly written to us? If so we should need to re-license these nonfreeware sources under GPL to be free software?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-15 Thread masonhock
You won't find a silver bullet that that magically removes all non-free packages and leaves you with a working system. Even if you used deblob-check to test all source code for blobs and found that everything flagged is either unnecessary or can be rebuilt with the blobs removed, you would

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-15 Thread onpon4
vrms doesn't work on Linux Mint. Mint uses its own packages which are jumbled in sections with no regard to whether they're libre or not, and those sections are what vrms depends on to work.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-15 Thread hd-scania
The vrms program will analyze the set of currently-installed packages on a Debian system, and report all of the packages from the non-free tree (and, optionally, from contrib) which are currently installed. The vrms package is however somewhat misleading since its name suggests it has to do

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-15 Thread lap4fsf
Hi gd_scania, FYI, vrms follows Debian's definitions of free software rather than that of the GNU project.[1] Richard M Stallman ** DOES NOT ** agree with many of the views expressed by the program's output. Free Software Foundation lists vrms among packages that don't respect its Free

[Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

2017-10-15 Thread hd-scania
hd-sca...@users.sf.net, [15.10.17 14:12] [Forwarded from hd-sca...@users.sf.net] hd_scania@hardened ~ $ aptitude search vrms p vrms - virtual Richard M. Stallman hd_scania@hardened ~ $ sudo apt install -y