[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-02-04 Thread lcerf
In some jurisdictions, they cannot be "public domain", unless their authors died at least 70 years ago, which I very much doubt. They are probably distributed under a so-called "permissive license" (aka "lax license", aka "pushover license"), which lets anyone do anything they want with the

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-02-03 Thread lcerf
This is sheer nonsense and yet another attempt to renew someone's favorite discussion about 4 freedoms and all the rest of it. Everybody can observe that you are, once again, the one bringing back the four freedoms. The GitHub repo I opened will use "The Unlicense" which means no copyright

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-02-03 Thread lcerf
Without a © it is basically public domain, and cannot be subjected to a license. If only that could be the case! Unfortunately, under the Berne convention (signed by almost all the countries in the world), the copyright is automatic. The "classical" copyright I mean. Where you are

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-02-02 Thread lcerf
Here is a small AWK program that processes the output of the previous script: #!/usr/bin/awk -f BEGIN { FS = "\t" } { val = "" for (i = 2; i = NF) { print "user_pref(\"" $1 "\", " val ");" } } It does the same as https://github.com/jm42/compare-user.js, i.e., "adds a

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-02-01 Thread lcerf
I removed the tabs right before the sed call. The end of the lines were not removed when there was a comment afterwards: the last sed substitution is for that. Finally I was assuming the keys would be defined at most once per file but "ghacks" makes jokes with several definitions of a same

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-31 Thread lcerf
Here is a Shell script that creates a table from as many user.js and prefs.js file as you want (the only arguments of the script): #!/bin/sh if [ -z "$1" ] then printf "Usage: $0 prefs1.js ... " exit fi printf '# key' TMP=`mktemp -dt all_prefs.XX` trap "rm -r $TMP 2>/dev/null" 0

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread lcerf
If you have any better idea let me know. If you want scripts to handle the table, having tab-separated values (you may want to use commas in the cells) looks like a good idea. What scripts are you considering? I can potentially help with Shell or AWK scripts. For visualization, a script

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread lcerf
This is nonsense. There is sense: the telemetry component of Firefox sends anonimized data that help Firefox's development, safe search warns about phishing and malware, etc. I am honestly tired of reading preaching about the 4 divine commandments which nobody cares to exercise in

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread lcerf
Where is the community who has the 'freedoms' to modify things when such critical issue is found? There are many Firefox forks, what would be impossible without freedom 3. If none fixes what you call "critical issues", it is because their communities do not see those as critical issues.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-26 Thread lcerf
Trisquel 7 now has Abrowser 58, based on the same version of Firefox, released two days ago.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-25 Thread lcerf
I think the effort should be concentrated on top management of Mozilla (how? I don't know). As a developer yold heyjoe in his first bug report: Bugzilla is not the place to discuss these topics; the governance mailing list might be the right place for it:

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-17 Thread lcerf
sloccount "only" finds 9.1 million lines of code in https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/57.0.4/source/firefox-57.0.4.source.tar.xz : $ sloccount firefox/ (...) SLOCDirectory SLOC-by-Language (Sorted) 1455904 media

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-17 Thread lcerf
I discuss _privacy_ issues. In the excerpt I quoted, https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Libre_Browsers_Libre_Formats#Browsers_that_might_seem_free.2C_but_are_not is not about privacy. At all. Just a precision in my post: not all Firefox derivatives do not suffer from the freedom issues that

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-17 Thread lcerf
Chromium seems just as non-free as Firefox considering the link shared by another poster (https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Libre_Browsers_Libre_Formats#Browsers_that_might_seem_free.2C_but_are_not) yet for some reason people mention it as free, prefer it, fork it and make browsers using the

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-14 Thread lcerf
I don't know if you understand what I am saying. I do not. Since you are redefining words, it is not surprising. The definition of freedom you list match the one I gave you. They do not say "freedom means no limitation" (like you wrote). That is fortunate because your definition is

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-14 Thread lcerf
Like I wrote to heyjoe: Distributing the lists is not the hard part. Creating them is. It involves crawling the Web and processing every page (Google does so in parallel virtual machines): https://www.usenix.org/legacy/events/hotbots07/tech/full_papers/provos/provos.pdf You cannot just

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-14 Thread lcerf
In any case, technically it is possible to get information without loosing privacy. Example: you turn on the radio and you listen to music. For Safe Browsing that would mean continuously broadcasting to to all online systems hundreds of thousands of unsafe URLs:

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-13 Thread lcerf
The problem with this statement is that you know (or rather can check) only what happens on the sending side. That is correct. But there is no magic: if you send little information, then little information is received on the other side. If you add noise, the receiver can exploit it even

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-13 Thread lcerf
Yeah, as I said a truly libre and privacy friendly browser would not come with a ton of antiprivacy nonsense and a user should not have to do such a hard work to 'clean it up'. Taking a look at outgoing connections is not enough to deem how privacy-respectful a feature is. And that

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-09 Thread lcerf
There are two claims in there, as freedom (in the software sense) and privacy are to important but separate issues. I agree that Firefox does not adequately respect privacy, but it is free software which is why it is possible to create Firefox derivatives that improve the software with

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-07 Thread lcerf
Indeed. And using the same source, here is the free software status of Chromium (the original question): Chromium might or might not be free. During the last review, the copyright or license of some code was unclear. It also has a similiar problem to Iceweasel and Firefox in which it links