Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament

2018-09-11 Thread greatgnu
TL;DR long story short: Onpon looked at the rest from a superior position..

Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament

2018-09-11 Thread onpon4
I didn't declare that I was going to do anything. I only said that stalling in this way is not really helping and a proper solution is needed. > Some of us are fighting, and you are just > staying in your cloud and despising everything that happens > below. I don't "despise" anyone. But this

Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament

2018-09-11 Thread Ignacio Agulló
On 11/09/18 21:27, wrote: > But even a stronger tone isn't going to make it any better over the > long-term, because at the end of the day it's still just a delay, > because the general population still doesn't care and another > opportunity to do the exact same thing will present itself. We need

Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament

2018-09-11 Thread onpon4
I didn't say "begging", but yes, that's really all that's going on. Using stronger words to describe what you're doing doesn't change that. This is a desparate, pleading tone. A stronger tone would be to threaten to vote them out of office. But even a stronger tone isn't going to make it

Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament

2018-09-11 Thread Ignacio Agulló
On 11/09/18 06:15, wrote: > Well, what does stopping this one bill with desperate pleas really > accomplish? Begging? I just told them that if they give way our freedom of expression just to please a lobby they would prove themselves to be a fraud. -- Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es

Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament

2018-09-11 Thread onpon4
I don't think it's just the lobbyists. There's a deeper problem: the general population doesn't care, and representatives and corporations know this. So how do we get the general population (not just a sizable, scattered minority) to care about these issues permanently (rather than for the

Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament

2018-09-10 Thread onpon4
Well, what does stopping this one bill with desperate pleas really accomplish? There's a core problem here, and begging your representative to vote against this isn't solving that. It's like with net neutrality. There were efforts going on for years to take net neutrality away, and all

Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament

2018-09-10 Thread Ignacio Agulló
On 10/09/18 06:12, wrote: > I'm reminded of this article: > > http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2013/04/20/im-tired-of-this-protest-the-next-lettersoup-bill-shit/ > > > And honestly, I'm beyond sick of this kind of stuff too. So much that > I kind of hope that this bill passes just so a disaster can

Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament

2018-09-10 Thread pablo96es
Sended mail to my MEPS by saveyourinternet

Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament

2018-09-09 Thread onpon4
I'm reminded of this article: http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2013/04/20/im-tired-of-this-protest-the-next-lettersoup-bill-shit/ And honestly, I'm beyond sick of this kind of stuff too. So much that I kind of hope that this bill passes just so a disaster can unfold and force real change to

[Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament

2018-09-09 Thread Ignacio Agulló
Should you check the European Parliament's agenda for September 12, you would find the voting on "Copyright in the Digital Single Market", the proposed new European Directive on Copyright. Draft agenda - Wednesday, 12 September 2018