Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[maestro]

still can't find you on diaspora alimiracle.
p.s - consider abandoning gmail by switching to some decent provider as  
openmailbox or tutanota may be

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[davesamcdxv]

On the other hand, the Mothership that is Trisquel has gone LTS only, hasn't  
it?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[onpon4]

It does get security updates; that's the whole point of Firefox LTS!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[a1716479]

 I would also like to see this.  I use Icecat as my primary browser, and  
it would be great to have it Updated for security.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[blade . vp2020]

for me  I said farewell to Abrowser

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[lloyd]

Debian/Ubuntu isn't really the upstream of IceCat.

IceCat's direct upstream is Firefox, which is pulled down into Debian and  
re-branded as IceWeasel. So for IceCat to get into Debian/Ubuntu this way,  
the changes would have to be accepted upstream by Firefox. They would then  
get pulled down into Debian Sid. I'm not sure how Ubuntu works - usually they  
base on Debian Testing, but I have a funny feeling that they do something  
wierd with the browser and use upstream Firefox directly IIRC.


What would be nice is for Debian to rebase IceWeasel on IceCat instead of  
Firefox. Or better yet just *use* IceCat in their distro.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[taiji_tao]

They might mean the program is not in the repositories for Debian or Ubuntu.   
You can download and compile or run the prepackages version, but there are no  
.deb versions etc...  Only trying mind read, but thats my guess.


I think Fedora has it in their yum package manager or as a .rpm, so Blag  
would have it.  Not sure about the others, but I know (as ex Debian testing  
user) that Debian does not have it.   

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[tomlukeywood]

if you want to install the package its apt-get install

the command i posted downloads the .deb file

so you could use that in debian

with dpkg -i icecat.deb

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[taiji_tao]

ESR is great for programs that want stability over latest and greatest,  
similar to LTS with Ubuntu, or stable with Debian, LTS with Trisquel etc...


Schools, businesses etc..., are better served with ESR, also think ESR is a  
better choice for Trisquel so Ruben does not have to spend so much time with  
the browser, smaller changes and security updates rather than dramatic  
changes to the look and engine.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[tomlukeywood]

there are deb versions:
sudo apt-get download icecat

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[taiji_tao]

For Debian?  If you search their repository you get:

You have searched for packages that names contain icecat in suite(s) stable,  
all sections, and all architectures.


Sorry, your search gave no results

and the same for testing.  Isn't the command, apt-get install..., unless you  
meant aptitude download?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[marioxcc . MT]

It would be nice if Ruben's IceCat versions are pushed upstream into  
Debian/Ubuntu as well all users will benefit from this alternative browser.


IceCat is free software so Debian and Ubuntu can use it already if they want.  
I don't know what you mean by “pushing” in this context (I know what it  
means in distributed version control systems).

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[tegskywalker]

This is where I don't understand the ESR release. In order to get security  
updates, someone has to go through the effort to download and install the  
newer ESR release. How is this any different than getting the latest Firefox?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[maestro]

I think Icecat follows only LTS versions of firefox. I may be wrong..

[Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[tegskywalker]

Now that Ruben is developing the GNU Icecat browser and it is a more upstream  
browser than the Trisquel only Abrowser, how much longer will he continue to  
develop both? Are both needed or will Abrowser eventually get phased out? If  
they choose to faze out Abrowser, hopefully IceCat can keep up with the main  
Firefox releases because of right now, it is two releases behind both  
Abrowser and Firefox.


It would be nice if Ruben's IceCat versions are pushed upstream into  
Debian/Ubuntu as well all users will benefit from this alternative browser.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[taiji_tao]

I would like to see Trisquel keep both, for different purposes.  Personally,  
I like IceCat for daily browsing and most internet use, however, I prefer a  
separate browser for private online matters (shopping etc...), and Abrowser  
fits that need perfectly.  Midori is too unstable still, Epiphany is average  
at best, it is nice having two Firefox based browsers for different purposes.


Of course, I second the notion of having IceCat become the standard browser,  
or at least a viable alternative for every distro.  I do beleive IceCat is  
based on Firefox ESR.  Which is for the best.  

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[onpon4]

That is correct.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[lloyd]

I'd like to see Abrowser phased out and be replaced by IceCat. Personally,  
I'm ok with being a few versions behind Firefox (tracking ESR), but I can see  
how some people will like to have the latest and greatest. Ultimately, it  
would be nice to see IceCat keep up with Firefox releases, or maybe just stay  
one behind. I don't know who maintains Abrowser at the moment, but if it's  
Ruben, then surely it would be less effort to discontinue it and put that  
effort into keeping IceCat up to date. Seems like much less work for greater  
benefit. Win-win.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[tegskywalker]

I never understood the ESR releases of Firefox as newer versions add new  
features quickly so the web can advance in the right direction. For an OS I  
can understand being an LTS due to so many programs that interact with each  
other and potential issues if one version doesn't work with the next. Firefox  
makes no sense as it is one program and updating to a newer version doesn't  
break anything.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Will Abrowser get phased out by IceCat eventually?

[taiji_tao]

Found this response from Ruben on reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/trisquel/comments/2jxaxs/what_is_the_difference_between_abrowser_and_icecat/