Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on non-x86 systems
So THAT'S why it's as slow as a wretched Yeeloong... :-(
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on non-x86 systems
On Mon, 2018-08-13 at 06:12 +0200, andypro...@gmail.com wrote: > How about supporting the ASUS Chromebook C201? It's supported by > libreboot, > and there should be some of them available. > https://libreboot.org/docs/hardware/c201.html Ew. Those things are worse than, or just as bad as, a Yeeloong!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on non-x86 systems
Right; the full free software option on that device is described on https://libreboot.org/docs/hardware/c201.html The "TL;DR" summary is that the WiFi (which is soldered on) and the graphics need proprietary junk. The workarounds would be to unsolder the WiFi and replace it or use a USB one and to use software rendering instead of hardware accelerated graphics. It'll be slow but hey...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on non-x86 systems
The SoC used by the C201 is actually a very good one, in fact it's one of the SoCs lkcl is looking at for the next EOMA68 computer card. Libreboot is not needed for Chromebooks, by the way. They come with Das U-boot installed. The only concern is how well the SoC works with Linux-libre (some SoCs need special kernel versions to work and many require proprietary firmware for various components, especially the GPU and wireless).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on non-x86 systems
How about supporting the ASUS Chromebook C201? It's supported by libreboot, and there should be some of them available. https://libreboot.org/docs/hardware/c201.html Would it be possible to get Trisquel working on that kind of hardware, with the Rockchip SoC and all? Delete all the Google bits, and fully replace it with Trisquel? If that could be done, more Chromebooks could be taken on as libreboot ends up working on more of them.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on non-x86 systems
Here, Parabola instead needs to discontinue i686 and extend to more arm ports, due to its rolling benefit. For Trisquel since it's LTS we can try to liberate Raspbian to become our Trisquel ARM.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on non-x86 systems
Trisquel has never supported other architectures even if those offered freer computers, such as the Lemote Yeelong MIPS laptop (which was supported by gNewSense). This might have been partially due to Ubuntu focusing on x86 releases compared to Debian. I understand the logic regarding the need to leave the x86 architecture. However, a non-rolling libre distribution should first and foremost provide timely releases with up to date software/libraries. Trisquel has suffered greatly from postponed releases which has led to users migrating to other libre distributions such as Parabola and Hyperbola (or simply using other distributions with minimal amount of non-free packages). I think this should be the primary concern of Trisquel before it considers adding support for other architectures which most users will not use until computers using those architectures are sold in their local computer shops.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on non-x86 systems
I think you misunderstand. https://jxself.org/titanic.shtml This is to address the problem of libreboot-supported systems drying up. For an example, try finding a PDP-10 computer today. That's what the future holds for librebootable x86 machines. Since most aren't in production anymore they'll become harder and harder to find as time goes on. It's a sustainability problem for us in the Free world, and is more fundamental than how current the version of a program is (i.e., how new your clothes are.) Note that I haven't proposed any particular schedule/order though i.e. add these first before Trisquel 9. Although they don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive either. Also note that the FSF is putting out calls for distros to support other stuff too, like http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2018-05/msg00057.html So: The evacuation horn is being sounded. *Could* evacuation of the Titanic wait while we all go put on new clothes (i.e., new software versions) below deck? Sure; but it needs to be addressed before the ship finishes sinking, and by some measures the water on the boat deck is already up to our knees. So don't let changing clothes delay you to the point that you end up sinking in your fancy new clothes instead of getting off the ship.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on non-x86 systems
Shouldn't Trisquel focus on timely releases for x86 (which most people use) before supporting other architectures? The latest version of Trisquel is based on a two and a half old release of Ubuntu (which means a lot of software is outdated). The priority should be on releasing a new version of Trisquel based on Ubuntu 18.04 before supporting other less popular architectures.
[Trisquel-users] Trisquel on non-x86 systems
https://trisquel.info/en/issues/24694 Maybe commenting on this will help show interest?
