Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I did that. I had experienced Firefox core dumps (crashes) before and I had applied that before, although I had forgotten about it in later reinstallations.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Also, I suggest you to edit the limits on /etc/login.conf, (specially the heap to 16M and the RAM usage cap to your RAM size), otherwise browsers like iridium will crash. Then, run as root: cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf as root and reboot.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Yea, it's possible. We're forking the OpenBSD ports tree as soon as a get a CVS server set up and everything. With this fork there'll be focus on patching things like this. 'Till then, well, perhaps you should go with Midori or Netsurf.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Coudn't be possible to just modify Seamonkey? SeamonKey is much faster than Icecat, it provides nearly the sames features, WebGL included, and for that reason it will work better on non high-end machines.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Yea, as metalanderish said-- Seamonkey recommends proprietary software. Another notable abscence is Firefox, which does the same. I'm basing a port of Icecat off of the Firefox port, though.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Some dependencies on Mozilla.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
That's a good piece of advice. I'll try that.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Just get bsd.rd, place it on /, and boot from it from the boot boot prompt: [code]b bsd.rd[/code] Then choose Upgrade .
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Yes, it's quite an improvement. I haven't yet tried that but I will. http://libertybsd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=58#p58
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
LibertyBSD 5.9 is out. http://libertybsd.net/ Now with self hosted repositories, with i386 and amd64 releases.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I added Gnome to OpenBSD/LibertyBSD. It's pretty easy to do.
pkg_add gnome
After installing Gnome Desktop, one should read the document in
/usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes/gnome-VERSION
Mine is OpenBSD 5.9 with Gnome 3.18.2p0
Edit /etc/rc.conf.local to disable xdm, enable gnome & gdm, add gdm to
scripts and start messagebus, optionally avahi_daemon.
gdm_enable=YES
gnome_enable=YES
multicast=YES
pkg_scripts=${pkg_scripts} gdm messagebus avahi_daemon
These commans do the same (cheat sheet from the document):
# rcctl disable xdm
# rcctl enable multicast messagebus avahi_daemon gdm
# reboot
$OpenBSD: README-main,v 1.38 2015/12/06 08:29:35 ajacoutot Exp $
+---
| Running gnome-3.18.2p0 on OpenBSD
+---
(see "Cheat sheet" at the end of this file for a quick setup)
The GNOME desktop is composed of 2 meta-packages:
* gnome, for a standard GNOME installation
* gnome-extras, for a full GNOME installation
The "gnome" package is focused on generic usage to give the user the
choice to install his favorite applications for daily usage (i.e. PIM,
WWW browser, office and development applications have been left out on
purpose).
Starting GNOME
==
DBus
Before running gnome-session(1), a system-wide D-Bus daemon needs to be
running ("messagebus" must be added to "pkg_scripts" in rc.conf.local(8)).
GDM
---
Session management requires the use of GDM as login manager, otherwise
some key features like screen locking, session tracking... will not work
properly. To do so, "gdm" must be added at the end of "pkg_scripts" in
rc.conf.local(8) (and "xdm_flags" commented or removed).
GDM greeter language and character set is configured in:
/etc/gdm/locale.conf
Alternative (non-GDM) GNOME startup
---
*** NOT RECOMMENDED ***
To start GNOME without GDM, the following line needs to be added:
exec /usr/local/bin/ck-launch-session /usr/local/bin/gnome-session
to ~/.xinitrc when using startx(1) (console login)
to ~/.xsession when using xdm(1) (xdm(1) or similar login)
mDNS/DNS-SD support
===
The avahi-daemon(8) daemon provides Zeroconf support (aka. Bonjour /
Rendezvous) in GNOME. Several applications can optionally benefit from
it (e.g. the "Network" shortcut in nautilus(1)) while some others
will not work at all without it (e.g. seahorse-sharing(1)).
To make use of it, rc.conf.local(8) needs to contain the following line:
multicast=YES
and "avahi_daemon" must be added to "pkg_scripts" _after_ "messagebus".
LibreOffice integration
===
The gnome-documents manager and sushi previewer do not support Office type
documents by defaults (e.g. docx, .odt, .ods) but rely on unoconv to display
them. If such support is needed, `doas pkg_add unoconv` will take care of it.
Cheat sheet
===
# rcctl disable xdm
# rcctl enable multicast messagebus avahi_daemon gdm
# reboot
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I updated or upgraded my LibertyBSD to 5.9. Because 5.9 is not yet out, I had to use OpenBSD. I wanted to try and learn the procedure. In OpenBSD upgrade is performed with the same CD as the install, just boot from it and choose 'U' when prompted (instead of 'install'). Then upgrade the packages: pkg_add -Uu I finally made my laptop's screen brightness controls work using xbacklight and xbindkeys. ## brightness down "xbacklight -dec 10" m:0x0 + c:146 XF86MonBrightnessDown ## brightness up "xbacklight -inc 10" m:0x0 + c:151 XF86MonBrightnessUp
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Nice, but I prefer default FVWM2 / cwm :) Anything else, from the ports :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Xmonad is so close in kind to R-poison that I tried to use the same keybindings to no avail. It was revealed in the documentation that the secret key to the kingdom is alt-shift-enter. Xmonad is a filmstar when compared to R-poison. Windows are easily resized with alt-M3 (third mouse button). They overlap, too. That was easy. Xmonad Roxx!! https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Frequently_asked_questions
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
If you have ever wondered what a screenshot of Ratpoison would look like, you could fire up your console or favourite program full-screen. That's it, it looks like a maximized application eating up all the precious estate on your screen. Ratpoison is invisible, mostly. Only when you press C-t something it gives a notification on the screen. I guess the screen can be split but I'm not yet there. Give it a shot.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Lumina Desktop Environment (a PC-BSD project) on LibertyBSD. Sadly, it seemed to be buggy. startx /usr/local/bin/Lumina-DE
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Vnconfig is a utility to mount ISO image files on O/LBSD. As root: vnconfig vnd0 /home/user/disk_image.iso http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/mounting-iso-images-on-openbsd/ http://man.openbsd.org/vnconfig The vnconfig command configures vnode pseudo disk devices. It will associate (or disassociate) the special file vnd_dev with the regular file image, allowing the latter to be accessed as though it were a disk.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
It's possible to have device automounting in OpenBSD as well as GNU/Linux. Maybe there is a wrong setup at /etc/rc.conf.local.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I just did that. It writes to /etc/rc.conf.local: apmd_flags=-A
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I pkg_added Xfce on my HP Probook LibertyBSD setup. The sound works fine, there's a mixer icon in the panel and I can use my sound level hotkeys (xbindkeys again). pkg_add -v xfce xfce-extras slim Then add (as user, not root) this line to /home/user/.xinitrc. Create the file if it doesn't exist. exec ck-launch-session startxfce4 http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/openbsd.html
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I recently tried Parabola, downloaded an ISO, burned it to a DVD±RW with growisofs. growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/rcd0c=/path/to/image I tried to take screenshots but there was an error about not finding a file or folder or invalid path, something to that effect. I discovered a new for me tool -- 'import' which is, so I understand, part of the ImageMagick set. import -window root screenshot.jpg You can save the screenshot as several other image formats by changing the extension to 'png' or 'xpm'. Here's the new to me part, capturing windows. import -window 0x14002fd mozilla.png That's a window ID -- where did that come from? xwininfo will give you the ID (it prompts you to click on the desired window). Or, you can simply type 'import screenshot.png' and click on a window or image to capture a shot (the mouse cursor will change into a crosshair). I can't get the decoration in, not even with the option '-border'.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
About LibretyBSD, I suggest you all to enable softupdates, specially on a laptop with an external power source: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#SoftUpdates Also, if you are on a laptop, enable the APM daemon NOW. As root: # rcctl enable apmd # rcctl set apmd flags -A # rcctl start apmd
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I put a new screenshot on LibertyBSD forum. http://libertybsd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=23
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
ln -s /usr/local/bin/SciTE /usr/local/bin/scite
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
You mean like this? ln -s /usr/local/bin/SciTE scite
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Also this theme should fit great with FVWM. https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1013663/ Just install lxappearance to change it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
>Had a hard time starting Scite because they use CamelCase in the executable name. The proper command is SciTE. Just simlink SciTE to scite
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Thanks for the recommendations. I installed Seamonkey and sxiv.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Nedit is non UTF8 compatible. Check: - mpv video player - sxiv image viewer - scite text editor - Netsurf/Seamonkey
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
JadedCtrl wrote an fvwmrc file. I tried it on my netbook. Here's the desktop screenshot.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Also, I have found xterm \ xterm produces an infinite number of terminal windows. Fun stuff.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Fvwmrc files to customize your FVWM environment. They are old, but most of them work, although they may have some parts missing (like launchers). They should be treated like templates that need some adjustment to suit your own system.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I registered on the libertyBSD forum a few minutes ago. Let's hope and see if it takes flight.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Speaking of LBSD, there's now a forum set up at http://libertybsd.net/forum =w= Perhaps we should take further discussion to the Troll Lounge or LBSD forums to avoid cluttering main Trisquel forums? loldier: Your desktop setup looks better and better with every pic. Some minimal setups on /r/unixporn could provide some extra inspiration, maybe.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I've been playing with window managers. Fvwm is the default set but there's more to choose from. TWM is one of them. Never seen anything like this but it looks pretty straightforward and clean. The window title bars have two buttons: on the left iconify, on the right resize. To close a window, you have to press the left mouse button on the background and hold it. A menu pops up. Choose 'kill' and the cursor becomes a cross. Then hit a window with the cross and kaboom -- it's gone.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I created a file named /etc/wsconsctl.conf and added a line: display.brightness=50 and now the screen is set to 50 % luminosity at boot. The system actually prints the setting on the screen when booting, so it's comforting to see that it works. wsconsctl display.brightness Confirms the state when typed in a terminal window.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I couldn't find it in the ports or pkg_add. I did try.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
There is also package xbindkeys-config - an easy to use gtk program for configuring Xbindkeys.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I installed xbindkeys and edited /home/user/.xbindkeysrc. To create a default condfiguration file, type: xbindkeys --default > /home/user/.xbindkeysrc ## Volume down "mixerctl outputs.master=-5" m:0x0 + c:122 XF86AudioLowerVolume ## Volume up "mixerctl outputs.master=+5" m:0x0 + c:123 XF86AudioRaiseVolume Now the keyboard controls for sound work.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
A. You can use keyboard special keys by default. Both of my laptops' volume and brightness keys work by default-- something that doesn't even happen on Parabola. :p B. Yea, if you install GNOME, KDE, Xfce, or another DE you can manage volume and brightness with the GUI. C. Don't think so. I can't find any, at least. "pkg_add" works just like the other "Ubuntu way," "apt-get install".
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I'm not aware of any GUI package managers. There's no Synaptic or appstore in the default install. You use 'pkg_add' and 'pkg_delete' to add or remove prebuilt binaries, and 'make install' from the ports tree to build from source. To control the sound hardware, you use 'mixerctl'. If you install a more refined DE, such as Xfce, there's a GUI sound control included. This is not a big deal. You only have to set the master in everyday tasks, the actual level is fine tuned in each individual program that plays sound graphically. For instance, SMplayer has a slider that works the same as any sound applet. You should compare BSDs to Arch Linux or Gentoo. There's minimal handholding but the documentation is excellent. You can perform any task through the command line. That's why there's a terminal window auto-started every time you open a graphical session.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Thanks for even more goodies :) One question, all of those things you mention doing on the terminal (stuff like adjusting sound, brightness, etc) can they be done either: a. using keyboard special keys for that (not shortcuts, the keys specific for those actions); b. in a graphical way (like in Gnome you have the volume icon right next to the clock) either in a menu or some specific program? The same goes for installing packages, do you always have to use the CLI or (maybe using Xfce or something like that) can you do it in a "Ubuntu" kinda way?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
It's been great fun. I swapped the hard disk in my laptop (HP) for the disk that had win 10 setup on it, wiped it, and installed libertyBSD on it. Things went smoothly. It just works. To change/dim by half the screen brightness in terminal, type: wsconsctl display.brightness=50 There's a considerable speed increase due to the more powerful i5 processor.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Indeed. Their post shows much confusion over various topics and conflating different things together. Despite this it is still possible to suss enough out that they are not committed to having an 100% free OS: "An entirely free system according to the definition of the FSF and GNU does not contain any parts that go contrary to the Free Software definition. However, this has never been Syllable's goal. It is roughly our goal for the base system..." "We think a platform is not much good if it doesn't offer important functionality that users need. Some such functionality is closed source, or at least not Free Software, so we still want to have the option to try to support it..." "...for example drivers would be ported that require closed firmware, we want to be able to include them. And several contributors of Syllable programs over the years have not released their source code." That they were talking to Stallman and their saying he came to the same conclusion supports this, despite the other confusion that they have on various topics.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I tried it in a virtual machine, and nothing I tried to run had working sound (including ports of games that I know should have sound, like Doom). Regarding that thread, it's the only thread I ever took part in on that forum; I joined specifically to ask that question because someone here brought up KolibriOS.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KolibriOS#Supported_hardware It looks like it supports audio at least to some degree, if the Wikipedia page is right.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I have to agree. It also seems not to support sound at all.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
KolibriOS is pretty much useless. I tried it a little in the past (I had a pentium 1 that I wanted to put to some use) and while it is impressive from a technical perspective (how fast it boots, and how little they were able to compress all the stuff they put in the floppy version) it basically does nothing of interest that any other Linux basic distro won't do better. I would like to see some good applications being written to it, but don't hold my breath.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Is it non-free? Their views on free software do not change the status of the code. It is quite confusing.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I did not, but now, I know, thanks!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Did you know it was non-free?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Thanks jxself
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I don't know. Their message shows confusion on several fundamental topics though.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Yeah, you land on the FVWM desktop after the installation and first boot. The root menu has various other window managers to choose from. MWM works out of the box but Openbox must be installed first.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
"But Syllable is free" Of charge perhaps but they seem to have very interesting views: http://forum.syllable.org/viewtopic.php?p=8201=d6e06f2ffe9577dc8ce55ff0e81be87b
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Oh, I don't know about that. I based that sentence on the Wikipedia article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyllableOS It says the license is GNU General Public License.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Thanks! Those look good. So, that is the default x when you make an install of LBSD? Running startx gives you that GUI (the one in the videos)? I wish there was a menu bar at the bottom, but the right click is also usable. And it seems to be moving alright. Thanks bunch for these. I am currently playing a little with a livecd of openbsd 5.9 (I know LBSD is better in terms of freedom but I can't get a live CD of LBSD) and I have been enjoying it. though this live cd comes with icewm as default x. I am basically waiting for Tor Browser and other Tor tools to become properly usable in OpenBSD and I will really make a more serious testing of this. Also, when I have an available machine.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I really can't say. I've only tried it a few minutes in Qemu just to see what it looks like. I guess it's OK for web surfing. I would compare it to an OS ten years ago or fifteen. Something like what MacOS used to be when it was still the System, or OS/2 version 3 Warp.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
loldier, how good is Syllable, (SNG=Syllable Not GNU)?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
There's mwm in the root menu (Motif). It looks like CDE, only missing the Front Panel.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Now I don't know what to think anymore. I discovered there's an easy way to start Openbox (if installed). Right there in the root menu! This looks almost like a dream come true. It's snappy, too.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
They say openBSD 5.9 should work, so the next version of libertyBSD should be the same. Can I use BSD? #bsd For the most part, BSD systems remain untested in libreboot. BSD systems contain blobs, so do beware. Anecdotal reports indicate that NetBSD should be compatible, as should OpenBSD 5.9 or higher (libertyBSD might also work). It is unknown whether other BSD distributions are compatible with libreboot at this time. The BSD community in general is quite hostile towards the GNU project, and being permissively licensed (they believe that companies should be able to sell proprietary forks), it is less than ideal philosophically, from the libreboot project's point of view. Libreboot will not officially document how to install or boot BSD on a libreboot system. You must consult with your BSD distribution provider, for more information. https://libreboot.org/faq/#bsd
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I captured this with ffmpeg. Watch it slowed down. ffmpeg -f x11grab -r 25 -s 1920x1080 -i :0.0 /tmp/output.mpg
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
If it's a list of usable programs you want, check http://openports.se The online listing of ports contains some non-free listings, but it also contains all of the free listings.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
How about uploading some videos of using it? ;-) So we can see how it runs, which apps you can use to do some stuff, etc. I would love to watch it in action.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Thanks. Seems like it might be more supported than I anticipated.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
The Fujitsu Lifebook link in the site redirected me to a ringtone subscription page. I'm on my phone now, as we have the regular electric blackout again in my stuck of the woods.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I actually have a Fujitsu Lifebook P1630 running LBSD. :p Everything works as expected, including wireless. Except for the touch-screen-- I haven't tried it, yet.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I'll look into that. I haven't used the webcam. Sound works, and 720 videos.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I'll look into that. I haven't used the webcam. Sound works, and 720 videos.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Thanks. Maybe it should be added the info in h-node page. A few things: Webcam? 3d games (as an example, SuperTuxKart, if that is even available for the BSD)? 720p (youtube like) videos? Thanks in advance.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
http://www.aei.mpg.de/~pau/linux_bsd.html According to this, LBSD should work with a Fujitsu Lifebook.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I have this: Asus Eee PC 1001PXD. https://h-node.org/notebooks/view/en/1523/eeePC-1001-PXD
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Something popped into my mind. Usually it's hard to pick a laptop/notebook/netbook to work with Trisquel (some stuff doesn't work like wifi or 3d graphics). Though with Trisquel one can go and use a LiveCD to test the machine in the store before buying (if the store allows it). Which would be good choices for LBSD? I assume the supported hardware is even less than with Trisquel. It would be cool to have a site similar to h-node that target LBSD installations :) So, what hardware have you guys tried and what success did you have?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
LBSD 5.9'll be out pretty soon. Not too much work to do, so I think it'll be ready in a week or two. ^_^
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
If you're out for an "experience", you can install xfce. I like the default fvwm. Besides, the tools are more or less the same accross different DEs. I moved from CDE quite painlessly to BSD. I always install the same softeware on any platform, if available. I don't need fancy bling. A browser, a file manager, a terminal, Gimp, Smplayer. CLI tools and commands are powerful enough for me. There's a man app in BSD. Those commands are handy and less resource-hungry.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Well, it's true it depends on each person's preferences and needs. But for example in Debian I had to manually install gedit, since the only editor that came was nano. And nano is fine, but I mean, unless you know the command, in the graphical interface you have no link for it. It's a little confusing at first. What I call the "Ubuntu experience" is having a system that is not only prepared with the tools you need, but also the easy of use the intuitiveness, the fact that it all works in the correct order and you are lead not to make mistakes. Of course, there is a fine balance between this experience and "losing control over the system", I think that's why we have so many distros out there each more appropriate for a certain type of user. But yeah, I usually like to tweak my own "Ubuntu experience", lol. For example, I could only use a system that supports Tor software (Tor browser, Torbirdy, etc). BSD systems are catching up on that.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I don't think there's much reconfiguring but it of course depends on your needs. Just pkg_add some software for image viewing (Feh), media (Smplayer) and WWW browsing (Elinks or Firefox). Resolution and sound can be configured in a terminal (xrandr, mixerctl). Everything works usually out of the box.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
It's weird you know? They went through the trouble of removing other non-free drivers... however maybe they only use free software that can load non-free if the user so chooses? I don't know. Other than that, does anyone knows when the next version of LSBD will come out? 5.9 in this case (and Jade mentioned something about having their own tree I believe... :D )
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I plugged in an external display via VGA. LibertyBSD and X work automatically and the resolution is right. LibertyBSD looks great on a bigger display. It's customary to have lots of windows open, mostly terminals. I have one issue. If I set focus to click, not focus to mouse, Firefox makes X freeze. I can move the cursor (a hand icon) but cannot change focus or click on anything. Sometimes pressing esc helps. In the end I had to kill X ctrl-alt-bacspace.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
They employ NdisWrapper which is support for Windows drivers. Sounds non-free.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Thanks for your comment. But regarding "libre" are they a good choice? I only ask because they say they follow Debian Guidelines, which are not all that bad. And because for a beginner it could be easier to use than LBSD. However I found a video online https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFAqso-HVk wonder if it applies to LBSD, since the video was done with OpenBSD 5.9 One thing I really loved on that video was that the system was so... barebones, he choose what to install and there was little other software at all. A very nice and clean install, similar to what I used to do with Debian. However, that reminds me of all the work I had to do to configure Debian, which was one of the reasons I moved away and came to Trisquel (the Ubuntu experience, and all of that, but in freedom).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
...a very noticable bit that's missing is support for athn... I don't know about that but my Asus EEE PC 1001PXD works with athn on libertyBSD. The installer asks to confirm the connection and I took the first which is athn0.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
"This connection is untrusted." I guess their certificate has expired.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Hey guys, I am hijacking my own thread here, but don't want to start yet another BSD post. I found out about UbuntuBSD, and reading this https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:faq it seems like they are just as free as Debian (which is maybe the second best option when it comes to Linux). Do you think it's worth it? Like, freedom and practicability wise. Though I will say that I still have a certain love for LBSD ;) and for sure I am not going away from Trisquel any time soon.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Thanks for the reply and advice. I installed libertyBSD over openBSD. It works flawlessly on my Asus EEE PC 1001PXD. Even the wifi works (Atheros chip). The openBSD repositories work the same as if it was not libertyBSD but the original thing.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
You should use that one (but replace 5.9 with 5.8) with LibertyBSD 5.8. There are no package repositories for LibertyBSD-- there'll be one for the next release, though.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I installed openBSD to test the environment on an ASUS netbook with Intel Atom and 2 gigs RAM. To adjust the audio level up to 200 (default was 126), type: mixerctl outputs.master=200,200 Just typing 'mixerctl' prints out the configuration.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
What is the path I should export? I mean, to install packages, the path to the mirror, so that I can pkg_add.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Looks like LBSD should get it's own forums :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Hope I am not being too persistent with my questions, but what hardware did you use to run LBSD? Is there any security difference between a standard Trisquel installation and a standard LBSD installation (in your opinion, from your experience)? Yeah, wish I could cough up some $$$ and get a couple more machines to play around with :) but it's just a fun hobby, hardly a necessity. Right now I need my money to eat and pay rent =)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I started the system without the virtual manager and now it defaults to 1024x768 which fits the screen. There is an issue presumably caused by the motif decorations that won't allow the virtual machine full-screen properly.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Thanks! xrandr --output default --mode 1024x768 It works, but the Virtual manager gets garbage it I change the default 1280x768. QEMU-kvm issue. Good to know if I ever try on hardware. LibertyBSD looks interesting. And I thought CDE was old school!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Try with xrandr
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Thanks for the reply. I tried libertyBSD on QEMU-kvm.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
It's only part of fvwm, sorry. You could probably get a similar-looking workspace switcher, though. The design's fairly generic, after all.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
http://libertybsd.net/ What's the program called that looks like a workspace switcher in the lower right corner?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
Yea, HD videos, 3D games, DVDs, etc work perfectly. LBSD's never crashed or had any errors for me when running multiple programs, or in general. And yea, I worked on deblobbing the ports tree. Hope you like LBSD when you do have a spare machine, mate.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone using LibertyBSD? How does it compare to Trisquel?
I use LibertyBSD as my primary OS and it runs very well. You should note that hardware support is worse than that of Trisquel-- a very noticable bit that's missing is support for athn (ThinkPenguin wifi dongles). It runs just as well as Trisquel, other than that, and follows the Unix philosophy a little more closely. If you want to use a quality and simple OS (there's a single comprehensible source tarball, for example) and learn some things about BSD along the way, you'll enjoy LibertyBSD. :) Sidenote: Absolute OpenBSD (2nd edition) is a fantastic book that outlines some it's more obtuse but powerful features. You don't need it, but I highly recommend it.
