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Oh ok. Thanks. I've been reading a few threads here about security, it seems among the regulars who offer advice, you have answered many of them. I really appreciate your advice. If I get it through Synaptic, I hope I'll get the latest version. When I had it, I don't remember what version it was, or when I downloaded it. on IRC, I met some good people in the Trisquel room and the FSF room, 3 of them I remembered their names, are in this forum, very helpful. I couldn't have gotten this far without all the tech support I got. :D
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>I saw a message from SuperTramp about hexchat being better than pidgin for better security and less bloatware. Though I like Pidgin, if it's not very secure, I'll stay away from it. Pidgin has had its fair share of security vulnerabilities. Apparently the libpurple is not considered very secure. That being said, I use pidgin for xmpp/IRC, latest version, apparmored and firejailed, safe enough :)
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OK so while I'm still using this old low memory machine, I will need a few things, all as secure as possible, that I'd only use one at a time: a chat program. I saw a message from SuperTramp about hexchat being better than pidgin for better security and less bloatware. Though I like Pidgin, if it's not very secure, I'll stay away from it. I'll either keep Tor or IceCat, though it'd be interesting to try others I've seen mentioned that may be good. Browser security is VERY important to me- keeping the trackers, spies, etc. out. Ublock Origin would be great to add on, but Tor developers say not to, which I understand. If I'm that concerned about letting sneaky stuff in, and Ublock would block them so I don't have to worry that they snuck in before I could get NoScript to block them before the page loads, then I may need to either add it to Tor anyway or return to IceCat or similar.Tor changed their fonts- they're terrible for me. This may turn me away from it. Then it comes down to an OS. I may edit this later in case I need to add something important.
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oh dumb me thought it was an OS but it doesn't seem to be so far as I can see but my brain may be in dense mode today.
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I've come to a conclusion about this computer- as it's been sugested to me before by at least one person, I need a better machine. Based on my needs, the programs I tried aren't as good as the GNOME Shell, so I need more memory to run it. Although my Mac has enough, it's not libre, but it'd be great as an offline backup, or emergency machine, so I'm working out a plan to buy something that's closer to being Freedom friendly. This machine could be a backup in case something happens to the Libre one. It's too frustrating using this setup, but I'll have to for now till the new one comes. If there was a way to upgrade this one and take the blobs and crapware out, I'd do it, but it's old and probably not worth it. The one I want has 8 GB RAM, if I remember right, it was at ThinkPenguin.
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That makes sense. Thanks. So if everyone did that it'd be better. :D
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OK thanks for the info. If I went back to IceCat I wonder what the best way to handle that is, to be effective. My logic says making it blank would tell it, "no one tracks me." You say it's ineffective- how so? There was a thread or 2 on this forum about browser tweaking, but I think they may be locked, if I remember right when I searched for them a few months ago.
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It is not only harmful but also useless (read ineffective) to change any value, besides cranking up the "security slider" in TorBB. Besides, when you use it properly, no one can track you, no one gets your IP, Misty.
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OK I'm gonna try Xfce4.
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yes. I read many of them, but not all. Also I read some info at Tor, and why they don't recommend plug-ins, which makes sense. It might be a good idea to compare their prefs with yours. Considering how they set it up, I have to be sure if it's ok to add any changes to it. From what I read of yours, they look good, but I'll read them again soon. Then I'll be able to better decide what I wanna do. There's something I need advice on. In Icecat, anything with goo in it, I made blank. I hope I got them all, there were other nasty names like yahoo, I think I made those blank too. I wanna do that in Tor. Someone might say doing that would uniquely identify me, but I will never knowingly allow them to track me. What's the best solution? If I were a programmer, all those horrible companies would never be allowed.
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>I read some of your prefs, noticed some mention of windows and NT. That says to me it's referring to your computer and OS, am I correct? I assume you are referring to the prefs.js file. Those are fake values to override the user agent. On panopticlick, with no js, I get 6 bits of identifying information, heh ^^
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sudo apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies enjoy :)
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Thank you for the info, I was reading some info at Tor earlier and I'll go to the link you gave me.
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I read some of your prefs, noticed some mention of windows and NT. That says to me it's referring to your computer and OS, am I correct? Oh, and speaking of javascript, you know Diaspora uses it, I'm sure. Also, about add-ons for Tor- I read it's not recommended to put more than what they put in. Some years ago someone said not to use addblock, because it reveals info- whatever we use, the sites know we're using it. Would the random browser spoofer fool sites into seeing something other than Tor? Would that compromise Tor's purpose? Maybe I'll ask this stuff on D, too, and go to Tor's IRC channel. I'd have to get my messenger back, when I got scared about the DDos, I deleted it. I haven't added anything new to Tor yet. On IceCat I have HTTPS Everywhere, UblockOrigin, Cookie Monster, SpyBlock, Random Browser Spoofer (hope I'm remembering the name of that right), NoScript, and I think that's it but that's enough. SilverWolf told me too many add-ons could mess things up. He helped me get Trisquel.
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I looked for Xfce in synaptic, what I saw was Xfce 4, and one mention of Xfce keyboard. There were many Xfce4's in the list, I have to find which one to get. As much as I like Trisquel, I'm still uncertain about keeping it. One feature I really like about Trisquel is the screenshot, to me it's a very important tool. I noticed Mini doesn't have it, there's a program that can be had separately though. I saw a post about that someplace.
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I checked fluxbox out, didn't like it much, removed it. It's good there's many choices.
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Thanks. :)
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>how do I get your prefs file into the browser I suggest you read on each one, as my browsing experience is no js, so if you need to use that, or sign into websites that require third party cookies you won't be able, with those preferences in about:Config In your /home/misty/.mozilla/xh539vde(whatever)/ there will be a prefs.js. Open it with a text editor and add the lines you wish. gna!
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yea the threads get squeezed, only fix I know is to lower the zoom Anyway how do I get your prefs file into the browser, I thought I knew how..
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meh..it's all squeezed :(
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ironically it is nasty window managers fucking up the elegant X window system's way of copying
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I have questions about verfying stuff, the signatures, to be sure I got what I want from where it's supposed to be from- those things are soo long it'd take me forever to compare them, is that the only way, no matter how long it takes to read it? When I get my preferred browser I'll put your prefs in the I should do it for the ones I use now too, if I'm gonna stay online. It's getting so stressful for me though, keeping up with all the stuff that needs doing.
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Thank you. I noticed when I had Mini, I had 2 others that came in with it.
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I think I understand what you're saying. Thanks. :)
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Hello wonderful techies, I want to try fluxbox, but before I do anything, I have questions. First, I want to be sure if it will install beside Trisquel or over it. If I had installed Trisquel Mini with the sudo apt-get command, would it have replaced it? Magic Banana asked me if that was the command I used, I said yes, but I'm not 100% sure. So I want to be sure I know what I'm doing. Way in back of my mind I remember thinking as I got the command, "this seems different than I expected." Usually I copy this stuff to an editor in case I needed it, which I may still have. A few days ago I looked at my files and saw a command I pasted there, but I didn't write what it was for, so I'm wondering if that was it and if so, explains why Mini came in alongside it.
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> You only need to copy your prefs.js to keep your modifications when you migrate to another FF browser, there is no need to manually change everything in about:config every time. I'm not sure how to do that, though I have an idea. I guess I should get Tor first, I'd also want to delete IceCat. Many years ago I knew how to transfer bookmarks, too, but I forgot how. I imagine copying your prefs would be a similar method. If I got this right, I'd find the browser file on my computer, and paste them there. I'd want my bookmarks, too. It's been awhile since I've done that, somehow I followed instructions and got it right.
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Joined: 03/22/2016 It looks like I will have to use it. I saw your post and your code for customizing it. That may be very helpful to me but I need to know where to put the code after installing the program.
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Thank you for explaining that. Yes I admit I worry too much but I'd rather be safe than sorry, till I'm sure it's ok to go there. I really miss that place, so I will go back there soon. Thank you very much for all your help. :)
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yeah, I'm sorry I didn't make that clear. It would've been interesting to see what the logs say about it though. I removed Trisquel Mini so I can try something else.
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Misty, you seem to worry a little bit too much. A DDoS attack on whatever is just a DDoS attack, it can not affect you, the security of your OS, or the privacy of the data you keep on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack#Distributed_attack
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Hi arielenter, thank you for your suggestion. yes, before I got the GNOME Shell, I tried that and I had some trouble using it but I appreciate your idea. I may have to use it again if there's nothing else.Too bad I don't have as much memory as I did, the GNOME Shell was wonderful for accessibility. I've seen your name in either the FSF room or the Trisquel room at IRC, when I used to go there. Since I read about the DDoS attacks on Freenode I've been afraid to go back. Some very nice people helped me in those rooms. I miss going there.
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Misty, have you tried kmag as magnifier program? I wrote a post about it: https://trisquel.info/es/forum/magnifier-follows-your-mouse-around-kmag-solved maybe you might be interested on trying my approach.
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When the screen scrambled, it was when I had GNOME Shell, which has been removed as the likely suspect, a month ago, but I'm sure an old log would say something about the incident. I hope it'd be ok to use the terminal I like from Accessories. You have been very kind and patient with me, it means a lot to me. Thank you. :D I will look at some info and see what I can find, some log should have what we need. If I can't find it, I'd like to move onto finding asomething that uses less resources. I don't like Mini very much so I should delete it and try something else from the suggestions here. In Synaptic, I saw Fluxbox, I'd like to try that next.
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I'm never using the "real terminal" again because I couldn't get out of it. I tried and had to force my machine to restart. Nope, not doing that again. I looked up commands, strange, I could get out of the other Terminals. So I hope I can continue using the one I found that I like, though it's not the "real Terminal." I spent awhile searching the Command Line doc, it said ossibly F7 or F8 would return me to the desktop from the Terminal but it did not. I tested this in the one I'm familiar with that doesn't take up the whole screen, in case I couldn't get out again. Once I was in the "real Terminal", I was stuck. I typed in my name and pw, then tried to quit to be sure I remembered the command. So I have to work with what I know how to get out of. The command that works in my preferred Terminal is exit. It didn't work in the other one. In the Command Line manual, I searched for it, I typed in everything I could think of. I tried the help in the Terminal, there was so much stuff there, I don't know why I couldn't find it. Somehow I remembered 'exit' from a very distant memory and tried it in desperation. When I said my tech skills stink, I meant it. So anyway. I typed in $ top, got so much stuff I have no idea how to read it. One part looked like it said 2 users. what the heck, I'm the only user, unless it's referring to a previous name I had and previous users, but now I'm the only one. All of them were me, now there's only one of me. Last night I looked at a log called Bootstrap, it had so much in there, I could never read it all, but it did say some intersting things, I couldn't find any dates within the document to see when things happened. I feel so lost, there's so many logs and so much data. I've been in Trisquel instead of Mini for the past few days because I like it better, though I don't have the GNOME shell anymore, but when I startup and look where the options are, I thought I saw GENOME but it sends me to a blank screen. Synatic say there's nothing broken but I'm sure I messed up my machine. Riht now I'm so frustrated with this, I hardly did any tech stuff all day because of it, though I read the thread for anything new but didn't log in. When I did do anything, I found that System Log with the alt+F2, but I wasn't sure how to use it, tried a few things and gave up for today. If I can't find what happened with the screen, I'll have to give that up and just work on getting the best programs for this thing till I can convert the Mac.
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I never knew about the Alt-F2 thing! How useful! Thanks for sharing that tip. I have thought for a while that it would be great if something like that could be built into the taskbar in GNU/Linux desktops in some way, so new GNU/Linux users can see what's going on under the hood, and run commands, from within the default interface. Switching to a terminal or opening a virtual terminal window becomes second nature eventually, but for people who've never used a computer without pointing and clicking, it can be quite intimidating at first.
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Keep at it. One day people will say things like this to you. You will be just as amazed as I am when people say them to me ;) https://www.xkcd.com/627/
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I didn't find anything called LightDM.
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how many high-level languages are there? are Bash and Python in that category? Often I see many programming code names like those, so I imagine they're part of that whole group.
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It didn't explain anything. I went to the documents, found some logs, have to find which one might show any info about the screen prob.
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> One way to know the number of your swap partition (parted) or, without sudo, lsblk, so you save 5 seconds of your time :)
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LOL! I like Terminal, it's not as scary as it was when I first tried it so long ago. :)
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Hi Mangy Dog, Thanks for explaining! This is fascinating stuff! I wish we could remove all those proprietary blobs and replace every one with something Free. I wish I was a programmer. Many years ago someone tried explaining what binary is. He made it seem so simple. This stuff is so over my head, so I'm very, very thankful for all of you techies. :D
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please tell us what that is?
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051418/
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Wow that is noticeable difference. I see I have some studying to do, so I can put together something that my poor old machine can handle, till I can convert my Mac. I'll look at all the suggestions again and compare them. You have all been so wonderful. :D
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> You can do most (if not all) of your computing activities not touching the terminal. True, but then you risk dying from tedium! :P
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Misty, to clarify a little bit, or more correctly to prove the point let us take an example. Let's use a very, very lightweight **GUI** music player - namely qmmp The "terminal" music player we can relate to, the one I like, will be "moc" Now, on my old but great beasty, I open the terminal to check RAM usage and CPU usage, using "top", here, the average values qmmp - cpu usage 13.5 % / ram usage 2.1 % mocp - cpu usage 7.5 % / ram usage 0.6 % You can see the great difference. Now, consider that I am comparing the CLI program with a GUI program tht is exceptionally lightweight (qmmp). If you compare it to a music player that is not as lightweight you'll probably find out "moc" uses 1/3 or 1/4 of the resources..
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You can not compare versions of Xfce like that, strypey. You can not compare Xubuntu say 12 with Xubuntu (or worse yet another distro with Xfce) 16.. Try this -> install Debian Jessie (current stable) with Xfce **4.10** and test it for a few hours, then on the **same exact** distribution (Debian Jessie) compile Xfce 4.12 and test it. I did that on two different laptops (current one is a 2004 lappy) and I can tell you they run exactly the same and consume exactly the same amount of RAM and CPU.
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I got an error message, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented. (???) unknown. The (EE) is in red.
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Disk Self Test is complete, Disk is OK. Now onto the next thing. I'm in Trisquel there so I can do the next suggestion. Report coming soon. Thanks. :)
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Wow Strypey, you have thought this out well with the levels. That and the usability rating idea make a lot of sense to me. It would be nice if you could present these suggestions to the FSF for consideration. What is a blob? It'd be interesting to know how these things got their name.
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OK and thanks. I started the self test, this will take awhile it looks like.
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It seems to me a good idea to look at the specs for these programs everyone's suggesting, to see how much memory they require before installing, Due to the lack of RAM, then I can decide which OS I want. I'd like to try the others to see if I like than better than Trisquel Mini, for my poor old machine. I really like Trisquel, it will be on my Mac, it's in the VM there now. If I'm that concerned about RAM, maybe I should keep Trisquel Mini and not Trisquel? The browser I want is Tor, and I want a secure messenger. From all I've read, Signal seems to be the most secure. Before doing anything, I'm gonna look up the specs. My priority right now is to free up as much memory as I can, including cleaning up any fragments of the GNOME Shell, since I don't have much RAM to work with. When that's all settled, I will make a new thread for help converting the Mac. I'm so tired of Crapple and their proprietary ways. To me, it's not worth the convenience. I wish others would feel that way, but it's their choice.
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Hmmm, considering my RAM problem, I really need to do some homework on all of this.
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Hi, I'm on my other machine, the memtest is still going on my old one, but at the bottom of the screen a message says it's complete, there's no errors, yet at the top, it's still testing. Is it starting over? I don't know when the message of being complete came up, sometime this morning. It's been running all night. When we're sure it's done, where can I get the report to show you, if you want to see it?
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OK, thanks for the info.
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"You are very good at tech. You are doing everything right." +100!
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"it doesn't get slower with each version" This isn't true in my experience. I used to run XFCE (Xubuntu) on a computer with 256MB or 512MB of RAM. I guarantee it won't work now with less than 1GB, and if it's anything like Mate (also supposedly a "lightweight" desktop), it really needs 2GB.
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Hmmm. Distrowatch might be saying it's "dormant" because they haven't released a new version since 2012? http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=dragora But it does look like they are actively working on shipping a new release this year: http://dragora.org/repo.fsl/doc/trunk/www/roadmap.md
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Thanks for the tip about swap files, I'll have a play with that. There's some good info on swap partitions and swap files here: https://www.linux.com/news/all-about-linux-swap-space "One swap partition can be shared between several GNU/Linux distributions" That's what I thought too, but I came across some information on the web (can't find the link now) that said that installing another instance of GNU/Linux using the same swap partition breaks the ability of the original instance to use the swap file. Was this person just wrong, or are you saying that editing /etc/fstab is the solution to this problem? If so, can you provide more detail (or a link to it) on exactly what to edit in /etc/fstab and how?
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The other downside with Tails, from a libre POV, is that it uses the blobbed version of the Linux kernel, not Linux-libre. This is why FSF will not endorse it. Of course, RiseUp (developers of Tails) do this for a good reason; Tails is designed to allows its user to get on the net from any PC they can get their hands on, and including the binary blobs (mostly firmware/ drivers) means Tails will run properly on a wider variety of PCs than a 100% libre distro like Trisquel or Uruk. It's a shame the FSF endorsement list doesn't have different levels, something like: * Gold: fulfils every criteria on the FSDG (Free System Distribution Guidelines) ie the existing list * Silver: default install fulfils every criteria on the FSDG, but gives users access to some proprietary software in a separate repo (eg Debian) * Bronze: fulfils every criteria on the FSDG except using linux-libre, but vows to remove blobs for any hardware as soon as there is a free driver that can support it (eg Tails) Also some kind of usability-rating would be good. After deciding to move on from Ubuntu to a more freedom-respecting distro, I tried a number of the distros on the FSF's list before I found one that was actually usable as a day-to-day OS, which was Trisquel, which is why I'm here (see: http://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/blog/2012/10/22/brick-seeks-free-software-foundation-endorsement/). Of the 9 full distros on the list, almost half are not even being actively developed according to Distrowatch (eg Dragora, Utoto, Dyne:Bolic, Musix). Of the 5 that are left (Trisquel, BLAG, Parabola, GuixSD, and gNewSense), BLAG is useless and broken, Parabola is an Arch fork (experts only), I haven't tried GuixSD or the last couple of versions of gNewSense. My point is, having different levels of endorsement would give users a greater range of actually usable distros to try, while still educating them the freedom issues involved.
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cli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command-line_interface CLI applications require less resources, are much faster and efficient. Sure, they are less friendly for you will not click with your mouse in a GUI, instead you will only use your keyboard and will need to learn a few commands. Xfce is awesome, it has no bloat, it doesn't get in your way, it doesn't get slower with each version, they don't add nonsense and is very complete and supercustomizable. I believe the package to install is xfce4 and the goodies: sudo apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies Then you log out and at the login screen you select it as your DE (I believe you'll find the selection icon on the top right of your screen, you select Xfce, and that's it. By default it'll look as poo :( But you can set it to look exactly how you want to look, you just need to tinker a little. But first use it for a few days and see if you like its minimalism and functionality. You are welcome :)
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A few points in response to the above: * Some distros will refuse to install unless a /swap partition is defined, and they create one automatically if you choose 'guided partitioning'. * If OP has only 1GB RAM, they need Trisquel-Mini, or at least a much more lightweight desktop than GNOME. I recently tried Uruk on my Aspire One (1GB "netbook") which uses Mate, but as soon as I opened a browser and started watching a video on YouTube, it fell over :( Sure, I could use VLC to watch YT videos instead, or use NoScript or whatever, but these are ugly hacks compared to using the site like average folks do. * Speaking of memory leaks, Firefox-based software is infamous for them. The lagging, freezing, and crashing problems I've had running GNU/Linux of various flavours on older machines have *always* involved a browser. Miro (formerly Democracy Player) never works no matter how powerful a PC I've tried it on, and I suspect the problem is memory leaks inherited from the Mozilla code the Miro developers fork.
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Well, Tails is Debian set to be as secure as possible by default and an amnesic OS, that is, an OS that will run entirely in your memory without ever touching your hard drive. The idea is the non persistence - and precisely non persistence of malware. It routes every connection through the tor network, so that you never make a clear connection to a server. I would recommend it to someone who really takes risks on the net, say an activist, a whistleblower, or any illegal action. If nothing stays on the disk and after you shut down your PC the memory in a few seconds got flushed, then there is no proof of wrongdoing. The downside is that Tails is slow, even when you run it from a USB.
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I tried to get it from the Terminal, that's how I saw the warnig. I know how to get it the way you explained it, if I remember right, I set it up that way awhile ago. Why does Terminal send that warning?
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you said, "You could even go "half-full cli" and find a cli replacement for many of your GUI applications." I'd like to understand more about that. You also mentioned Xfce. I'd like to try it, but I should remove something first. Since my Trisquel is still functional without the GNOME shell, I'll remove the mini. However long this all takes, I'm in it for the long haul- I wanna be free! :D
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I like Tor and I've used it with that identity feature. Yes I am very serious about this, if it takes awhile, that's ok. Tonight I'll set up that memtest and hope for the best. What do you know about Tails? I've read it's very good. And, Yeah, us caring people are seen as a threat. Thanks again for your help. :)
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> One concern is, they say at Tor, if someone uses a non Tor browser, then revisits a site with Tor, it compromises anonymity. Hmm, no. Why would it? Wait, I think I know what you mean. If you **log in** to a website while using Tor, then they know it is you, and then if you stay on the same circuit (get renovated each 10 mins) an attacker who can observe a large portion of the network can follow you and see where else you go. This is why TorBB has this nice little option to refresh the circuit or better yet to "change identity", which is close and restart the TorBB. Each time you do that (new identity) you get the default shiny browser, everything just got flushed (think cookies, session id etc). But if you do not log into the site they can not know by any means that it is you. > Other sources say using Tor makes us targets of certin snooping agencies, but, we're targets anyway, despite any innocence. Seems life is always a compromise. Well, if caring makes me a terrorist, so be it. Do not let the initial complexity (switching to somethin new is always tough) discourage you, if you are serious about it, I am certain you'll manage to get your system libre, up, and running as you like it. It may take months or years, but it will pay in the end, so.. PERSIST!
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A message from Terminal has a warning saying The following packages cannot be authenticated! memtest86+
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OH wow- Thank you very much! I really appreciate that.This is exactly what I need. I have used Tor a few times, though I know there's concerns about it. Some sites blocked me for using it, and others who use it have complained about that too.. There are tunnels, I tried them, tried watching a vid through one while using Tor, but it took me 4 hours to watch, lots of lag time, rebuffering and freezing. An interesting experience. One concern is, they say at Tor, if someone uses a non Tor browser, then revisits a site with Tor, it compromises anonymity. Other sources say using Tor makes us targets of certin snooping agencies, but, we're targets anyway, despite any innocence. Seems life is always a compromise. Anyway I'll copy that info you gave me, and do what Magic Banana suggested about checking RAM.. .
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OK. I'll check it out and see what happens and report the results as soon as possible. Thank you for explaining all this.
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> about the browser, I'm concerned about being able to block trackers and I need to have my security settings, plus have some add-ons, all are for those purposes. I like IcaCat for that. There is nothing special about Icecat, it is only the best browser AFAIK for your privacy **by defult** (well, after TorBB, of course). You can set any FF based browser to be as secure if not more. On the monkey I have noscript, ublockorigin, noresourceurileak and httpseverywhere installed. They are all compatible and everything works great. I will leave you in the attachment the huuge list of modifications I made in advanced settings. You only need to copy your prefs.js to keep your modifications when you migrate to another FF browser, there is no need to manually change everything in about:config every time.. > I haven't watched videos or listened to music on here yet, though I'd love to, if I felt sure I'd be protected, especially from google; I wouldn't download their vids for fear there's embedded stuff that would snoop and mine my info. Embedding malware in videos AFAIK is extremely difficult and it relies on exploiting a bug in the video player. An attacker would need to know which player, on which OS, which libraries version you use. It is something that can be done (from what I read) but in practice nobody does it. I don't think google would risk millions of dollars and spend time and effort to infect a bunch of GNU users. They already have all the info from people who don't know better and voluntarily spit out all their private information. Through correlation they also have a lot of information on those who don't even use their services. Malware gets usually embedded in pdfs and doc files. If you receive a mail with one of those attached, you should worry, but you should not worry bout videos and music. Btw, I am pretty sure the Tor Browser will run faster and use some 50 mb less memory than FF (or Icecat). Give it a try. I recommend you don't apply blindly changes in about:config but first read what does each do.
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about the browser, I'm concerned about being able to block trackers and I need to have my security settings, plus have some add-ons, all are for those purposes. I like IcaCat for that. It took me months to get it tweaked. I wouldn't mind doing that again if I knew what to do ahead of time so it doesn't take so long because I didn't have all the info I needed. I haven't watched videos or listened to music on here yet, though I'd love to, if I felt sure I'd be protected, especially from google; I wouldn't download their vids for fear there's embedded stuff that would snoop and mine my info. I know how devious they are, and what happens just by using anything they have,like their analytics, for example, which I block as soon as I get there, blocked them in the browser,and spydblock, so I stopped enjoying that stuff on my Mac, and I won't do it here for peace of mind. I hope they don't bypass my settings but I know they prob'ly could. I do my best to avoid them but that's nearly impossible, sad to say. I miss watching videos.
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if I understood this better I'd try it, though I really appreciate the advice. Maybe one day I'll have learned enough to do it with confidence. :)
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how do I replace the RAM? The scrambling happened a lot. If this involves opening up my machine, I'd have to send it to a repair place. I never intended it to be online or be my main computer, but for now I want it to be stable enough till I can convert my Mac, or get something that's more respecting of our rights.
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Very interesting. I have to read this a few times to be sure I understand it as it relates to my situation. I really appreciate the explanations you've given. It'll take some time for all this to sink in. This has been a wonderfl adventure for me. Thank you again.. :)
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hi, thank you for your suggestion. For now I'm not sure what I will do, I may try a few different programs to see which one I like, if I can be sure I'm not adding to what I have, so I'd have to decide what to remove first.
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You could try Parabola, its base installation is less than 1GB. Then you can install desktop environments, applications, games, etc. But be careful not to fulfill you memory again!
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> what can I do, what can I run that will not use too much resources? First of all, the most important, is the desktop environment. An old laptop with limited resources may run flawlessly with xfce, and barely move with say KDE. I have used for a long time Xfce, I really recommend it. Some say LXDE is faster, but last time I checked, I saw no difference at all. Xfce is IMHO much more complete and customizable than LXDE, very easy to customize and to make it look modern and shiny. Then, the applications you run. The browser is usually the heaviest one, firefox and most of its variants are as heavy as it gets. I recommend seamonkey and Links2. Dillo is great too. You could try some others (like netsurf, xombrero etc) and see if you like one. Nothing plays as smoothly the videos as "smplayer" does in my experience. A very lightweight mail client (and great software overall) is claws mail (too bad it constantly gave me issues with riseup :/ ) For the musicz: qmmp. You could even go "half-full cli" and find a cli replacement for many of your GUI applications (which is very fascinating and something I have been trying to do lately). Cli applications tend to be inherently more efficient in terms of resources.
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What I'm trying to see is if Trisquel and GNOME are 2 separate programs(Desktops) but when I look at their dependencies they seem to need components from each other. Being new to how all this works, perhaps I'm not comprehending what a package is. I know it's not a program, so my next assumption is, it's a component. The dependencies seem to be componenents, which I know can't work alone.. Then I need to understand GNOME and GNOME Shell. If I am correct, GNOME is a program that can run alone, but not the shell. I remember what a shell is from my PC days. I'll never be a good tech person but it's so fascinating, so I do my best to understand. As long as I'm using this tech stuff I will try to understand it.
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I'm gonna look up some stuff on here to se if I can find the info before asking more questions. Thanks again for all your help. :)
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oh ok. I'll look at tht again. this is a good experience for me when I can see the different ways of getting the same info. I'm very glad to be learning. :D
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ok, thanks. usually I would run IceCat and one other program. what about the scrambled screen? What about GNOME shell?
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Under File Systems, I put this into a text editor and wrote it out since I can't do screenshot, so I could ask why does it say this: Device DirectoryType Total Free AvailableUsed /def/sda1 / ext4 19.5GB14.1 GB 13.1 GB 5.4GB 29% /dev/sda6 /home xfs 136.8 GB 136.6 GB 136.6GB 222.2MB 0% sorry I can't seem to line these colum up. :(
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OK. I was there a day or 2 ago. I wish you could see this. will examine it carefully. Thank you. :)
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Thank you for explaining. This is a gret experience for me, thanks to all of you. :)
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Hello SuperTrmp83, thank you for your help, too. I'm very thankful to all of you for taking time to explain and guide me. :) Somedy I would like to get another machine, a Libreboot system. I've seen a couple of sites that have them, and I want a libre router or something as close to it as poible, I saw something like tht, too.. Till then I'll use this machine so I can get help converting my Mac, but it'd be so great to have something more respecting of our rights.
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Thank you so much for taking time to write all this info. All of you have been wonderful. :)
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somehow I got $ sudo parted -l to work today: Model: ATA TOSHIBA MK1665GS (scsi) Disk /dev/sda: 160GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos Number Start End SizeType File system Flags 1 1049kB 20.0GB 20.0GB primary ext4boot 2 20.0GB 160GB 140GB extended 5 20.0GB 23.2GB 3191MB logical linux-swap(v1) 6 23.2GB 160GB 137GB logical xfs
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Wow this is all very interesting. what can I do, what can I run that will not use too much resources?
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> I usually make swap partitions the same size as the amount of RAM on that computer. From what I gathered around, the size of the swap partition is very relative. On modern computers (say 4 or better yet 8 gb of RAM) swap is hardly needed at all and you could even omit it without ever encountering any issue whatsoever (unless you edit heavy pics/vids or whatever may drain a modern monster). OP has 1 gb of RAM. In this case, the swap partition is **vital** as the probability of filling the RAM up is very high. Hence my recommendation is to make it double in this case - go for 2 gb of swap, just to be safe. I have an old laptop, 2 gb ram, 2 gb swap. I am pretty certain I never even touched the /swap.. But then again I hate multitasking and I extremely enjoy lightweight applications. My average RAM usage is 400/500 mb :)
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I strongly recommend learning about partitions, as this will make installs and reinstalls much less confusing for you. I started learning about them when I was trained as a Windows technician but most of what I know now is self-learned. BTW In my other comment, I forgot to mention that you will also need "swap partitions". A swap partition is a slice of the hard drive that is reserved in case you run out of memory. I usually make Swap partitions the same size as the amount of RAM on that computer. You need a separate swap partition for each OS partition, although you can usually shrink your ext4 partitions during install to make space for a Swap partition. Sorry if this is all a bit confusing, but stick with it! Most of us here have learned what we know by a combination of web searches, making illuminating mistakes, and getting advice from people like the friendly and helpful folks who frequent this forum.
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Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on udev486M 4.0K 486M 1% /dev tmpfs 100M 1.1M 99M 2% /run /dev/sda119G 5.1G 13G 30% / none4.0K 0 4.0K 0% /sys/fs/cgroup none5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock none497M 120K 497M 1% /run/shm none100M 8.0K 100M 1% /run/user /dev/sda6 128G 212M 128G 1% /home
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you said, "As far as I understand you, the command you were given through IRC is "sudo apt-get install trisquel-mini" and your system currently has both Trisquel's default system and Trisquel Mini's base. Am I right?? Yes thank you! here's the info: total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 993M 812M 181M41M21M 311M -/+ buffers/cache: 479M 514M Swap: 3.0G 172K 3.0G
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sorry for causing confusion. Thank you for explaining. I understand it enough to know that ram is not the hard disk. When I looked at "Disk" I saw 160 GB, so it seems I don't even have 2 GB. More confusion, i know, and I know how frustrating it is giving tech support without seeing the user's system. My problem is, I thought I had more disk space, now if I can find out how much RAM I have I know that'd be helpful. I was sure I had 2 GB. Please remember I don't see well and often follow the wrong line. When I remember how I found where to look for specs, I thought it said almost 2 GB, I looked up getting a screenshot in this program but it looked complicated. unknowingly I installed programs beside each other, following advice on how to download, not realizing the new program didn't erase the old one. I looked at the disk analyser, didn't quite understand it, then, while looking in a window with folders, I saw more numbers, maybe that was the RAM. When I first learned computers, I wrote some notes, what RAM is, what ROM is, and a few other things. The main problem is, before getting Trisquel Mini, I had Trisquel and a GNOME shell, which worked well, till the display started getting scrambled, so I went to the Trisquel room at IRC and tried to properly read the specs on the Terminal after someone gave me a command to input. Then I was told I could not use Trisquel, so I got a command to install Mini, not realizing I was adding to what I had, instead of replacing. On my own, I looked Synaptic, almost deleted Trisquel from there. I had tried uninstalling the shell, but didn't, so there's still fragments of it on here. When I log in, I still have the Trisquel screen. If it's still functional I could do screenshots. Admittedly I don't know what I'm doing, that's why I'm here. I'm slowly learning, ty trial and error and error. Thank you for your help, and again, I'm sorry for causing confusion..
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you said, "Boot to the netinstall image. Install the base system. Do NOT install the Trisquel desktop, Triskel desktop, or Trisquel-mini desktop." I'm embarrassed to admit I don't know what a netinstall image is.
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Heather, hi again, thanks for the compliment. I was just curious about the denial message but I don't think I need to see those folders right now. I wouldn't make any changes, I'd just read the files, but it's not important at this time. The only thing I haven't backed up yet is the browser. I have to look again at how to do that. I hope you'll be on again soon. While I wait for replies I've been looking at the Command Line doc and experimenting with Terminal, and looking for any help files.
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If you get an "access denied" message, that means that you need root privileges to access the folder; type "sudo nautilus" or "sudo pcmanfm" into the terminal and then your password and the file manager will open with root privileges, which will allow you to change system folders so be careful and make sure you know what you're doing! I like to make a habit out of doing a dry run of opening configuration files, locating the correct folder, etc. with a user account and read-only access just to be on the safe side. Your description of your training and educational methods sound exactly like my own. I refuse to let people label me "self-educated" or "self-taught" because I consider it an insult to the many kind people who have contributed 20 minutes or so of their time to explain unfamiliar terminology, encourage me to experiment, and teach me how to teach myself since 2004. What you are doing is admirable, achievable, and exactly what the pioneers of the free software movement wanted people to be able to do. You are very good at tech. You are doing everything right. T Now, you've found the folder and copied it into one of your 500 gig drives, right? You've backed up all of your personal files? You've got the Apple to get online if anything goes wrong and you need to look something up or ask any questions? Are there any other settings you want to keep? Any other data that needs to be saved before the fresh install?
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Heather, there is a folder .mozilla.
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hello Magic Banana, I appreciate your help. I do have a backup program on here, used it a few days ago. When I was searching for files today I noticed something that makes me wonder, that's got me more confused. In the window where the folders are, in the right hand corner, there's text about free space and total space, says there's more than 2GB, but how can that be? When I was in the Trisquel room on IRC someone gave me a Terminal command that would show me the memory, which was less. All I know is it seemed like the problem with the display during multitasking meant I didn't have enough memory. Being no good at tech is very frustrating, I'm amazed I got this far, but that's only because of help from many wonderful people who have taught me a lot, enough that I could maintain my computers fairly well. When I could find the window with the folders for system settings, I looked in there for memory specs also, it showed I didn't have much memory, too, so I don't know what's going on. If I can find that again I'll look at that also. There's something else that mystifies me- I click on some folders and got an "access denied" message. One folder I remember the name of was "lost+found". Other folders did that too. What the heck is going on here? I humbly admit I don't know what I'm doing, that's why I'm here. For many years I tried to understand this stuff, but I keep trying. While I wait for replies, I'm reading the Command Line document, trying to find the commands I need.