Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-16 Thread dguthrie

let's get real, he probably has read it. he's clearly not stupid
just likes non-free license!


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-16 Thread greatgnu

> I felt that it was way too long and boring for anyone to read seriously

seriously? 


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-16 Thread adrian . malacoda
According to Build engine's author[0] this is why he created his own license  
instead of using the GPL.


> Short answer: to satisfy my ego :) Long answer: I know GPL is an industry  
standard, but I felt that it was way too long and boring for anyone to read  
seriously. I chose to write a nice short license that everybody could  
understand. This way, people unfamiliar with GPL would understand their  
rights.


It's seems like he misunderstood not only the GPL but free software in  
general (I'm guessing it would have been "too long and boring" to learn about  
it). Apparently he thought the important takeaway of "open source" is the  
ability to look at source code and use it for limited hobbyist non-commercial  
use.


[0] http://advsys.net/ken/buildsrc/


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-14 Thread greatgnu

Yeah, it's a shame. Profit before everything.


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-14 Thread vitacell
Valve stopped making games (making a game waste the money), they prefer make  
money selling games of other companies, because they making more profit doing  
nothing.


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-13 Thread greatgnu
* by "source engine" I mean the Valve's Source engine for I am a huge hl fan,  
best game :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-13 Thread onpon4
> For instance I think there should always be a way for people to make sure  
that their name is always attached to their work


That's not what copyright does, and it's not its purpose. Copyright's only  
function is to prohibit people from making copies of works, and its only  
purpose is to encourage authors to write.


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-13 Thread dguthrie
I think we should have copyright but not in such a way that impedes the free  
flow of information and culture. For instance I think there should always be  
a way for people to make sure that their name is always attached to their  
work, especially for arts and literature. If that were the case I would see  
no problem in it lasting for a very long time.


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-13 Thread vitacell
Probably lab rats want to make a remake of a 20 years old game, or just keeps  
selling it as is, on new/old consoles or Steam. Look at Doom I and II, still  
selling, Doom3 too, + remakes of them, much very old games still selling.


The bad is that people paying for DRM, handscuffs, they give money for  
proprietary crap.


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-12 Thread calmstorm

Let us just say I agree, digital restrictions are my biggest gripe though,

though even proprietary software without those restrictions should have a  
very short life given that they become obsolete in less than 5-10 years.


But moreover copyright is becoming like Donald trump. You may think its  
harmless at first, but once it is a part of


the law, you will think otherwise,

The corporate world probably would be up in arms against the first three  
lines that i wrote but they are like tombstones that are painted fresh.


On the outside they look better, but on the inside, same old, same old...







Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-12 Thread calmstorm
yep... As I always say though, Digital Restrictions Management is the biggest  
menace of proprietary software.


still software licenses lasting 70 years? what idiot was on crack when they  
thought that up...


Someone was snoring at the wheel to do something that insane and moronic.


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-12 Thread vitacell

Because they are proprietary lab rats.


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-12 Thread onpon4
Scripts are a problem, but not the only problem. The entire Build engine is  
proprietary, as I mentioned, and would need to be replaced. Frankly, I don't  
think it's worth the effort.


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-12 Thread onpon4
Copyright, if we even have it (I don't think we should), should not last 20  
years at all. There's no need for a "forced free software license".


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-12 Thread onpon4
JFSW uses the Build engine. The Build engine is proprietary. This is no  
different from e.g. a game made with Unity3D.


I'm getting a sense of deja vu here.


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-12 Thread calmstorm
I take it a step further, after 20 years any restrictions or digital  
restrictions as they are called should be completely lifted after 20 years.  
and it should be forced into some free software license. even if it is as  
small as the mit/x11 license.


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-12 Thread commodore256
Oh, I didn't know how important in-engine scripting was to the FOSS  
community. Had I known that I wouldn't have said anything about Quake. What  
about a re-implementation of the asset scripts?


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-12 Thread greatgnu
How can one still not release an engine that is over 20 years old is beyond  
my understanding, I mean I get the concept of greed, but still..

I want the source engine freed :(



Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-12 Thread commodore256

I thought JFSW was GPL


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-12 Thread dguthrie

I think this might not be the place


Re: [Trisquel-users] PSA: Shadow Warrior is free (as in beer) today. (compatible with GPL Engine)

2016-09-12 Thread onpon4
What GPL engine? Last time I checked, the Build engine is under a custom  
license that prohibits non-commercial use and even distribution in any manner  
other than "the INTERNET".