Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
I didn't realize that was the issue. Okay, you have a point. Never is it good to steer people towards proprietary crap. Even if its optional. As Stallman says, optionally free is not enough. Though in today's day and age it would be awesome just to have optionally free hardware. That's a far cry from what we have now.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
Thanks for reporting the bug. It's # 23918 right here: https://trisquel.info/en/issues/23918 You should also send an email about it to report-nonf...@fsf.org and get a GNU Buck for your efforts signed by RMS. More information about GNU Bucks are at https://www.gnu.org/help/gnu-bucks.en.html
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
I know you are into Trisquel 8 final steps, and I am glad to see that you have this problem in mind, but Trisquel 7 has this problem. Is there a way to solve it? (Will any developer try to solve it). I would try to do if I had the skills and the time (I have none, I'm afraid).
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
There was a discussion of that on the gnu-linux-libre mailing list. The thread was "programming language package manager" if anyone wants to read it. TL;DR: It's not any different and, to the extent that language-specific package managers contain non-free software, this same issue is raised and should be addressed. As you can see from the mailing list Guix is on it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
> How is this any different to pip or easy_install? As far as I know, it's not different from these, because all of those three have external default repositories. Perhaps we have to seek help from other free/libre system distribution projects since these patches might be useful to all these projects. The issue is also seen with npm. Note that I don't know if Trisquel's pip, easy_install or npm have these issues, I only mentioned that they have these issues by default because I already experienced this in other distros a long time ago.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
How is this any different to pip or easy_install?
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
Exactly. So this should be reported as a bug in the bug tracker against Trisquel 8.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
Ah, I see that's already been done: https://trisquel.info/en/issues/23918 So, 'nuff said. Thanks for reporting this!
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
calmst...@posteo.de wrote: Hate to break it to you all, but gdebi and dpkg can be used to install propietary software also... The issue is not whether a program can be used to install proprietary software. The issue is whether a program comes configured by default to "steer users towards obtaining any nonfree information for practical use, or encourage them to do so". The Free System Distribution Guidelines at https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html make this distinction: A free system distribution must not steer users towards obtaining any nonfree information for practical use, or encourage them to do so. The system should have no repositories for nonfree software and no specific recipes for installation of particular nonfree programs. Nor should the distribution refer to third-party repositories that are not committed to only including free software; even if they only have free software today, that may not be true tomorrow. Programs in the system should not suggest installing nonfree plugins, documentation, and so on. enduz...@riseup.net reported that Snap was configured by default to install nonfree information for practical use, such as Skype and Spotify.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
Hate to break it to you all, but gdebi and dpkg can be used to install propietary software also...
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
It works (see screenshot). Spotify and other proprietary software are also recommended in Gnome Software Center (see other screenshot). I reported the latter as a licensing issue https://trisquel.info/en/issues/23466 months ago, but had not actually attempted installing any proprietary to see if it would work. Apparently it does. Even after running $ snap remove spotify Gnome Software still says it's installed. When I try to remove it within Gnome Software I get "Detailed errors from the package manager follow: snapd returned status code 400: Bad Request" Gnome Software is pretty buggy to begin with, so hopefully Spotify is indeed no longer installed. I may reinstall Trisquel to be safe though. Perhaps snapd should be temporarily removed until this is issue fixed.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
enduz...@riseup.net wrote .. > I now have Spotify. All it takes 'snap install spotify'. Trisquel 8. Wut. Screenshot?
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
One only needs to install snapd, which is in the repos, and then install the snap. That’s it. Installing anything proprietary has never been easier than this. There’s Skype a few commands away. Not quite loke one would expect from a free libre distro. And yes, it’s T8. I swear, untinkered.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
> I now have Spotify. All it takes 'snap install spotify'. Trisquel 8. If your copy of SNAP really came from Trisquel 8, and you manage to install Spotify by doing `snap install spotify' without needing to add any other repository/store/whatever, then this installation of Spotify *is* a bug. The bug is not the existance of SNAP. -- - https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno - Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com gratis). - "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre. Por favor, veja formas de se comunicar instantaneamente comigo no endereço abaixo. - Contato: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#vCard - Arquivos comuns aceitos (apenas sem DRM): Corel Draw, Microsoft Office, MP3, MP4, WMA, WMV. - Arquivos comuns aceitos e enviados: CSV, GNU Dia, GNU Emacs Org, GNU GIMP, Inkscape SVG, JPG, LibreOffice (padrão ODF), OGG, OPUS, PDF (apenas sem DRM), PNG, TXT, WEBM.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
I now have Spotify. All it takes 'snap install spotify'. Trisquel 8.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
Snap was the bane of my existence on Ubuntu 16.04. I couldn't figure out a way to disable it, and Software includes Snap packages (without an option to turn them off), so any time I tried to find a program that way I'd be inundated with proprietary Snap packages.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
Why does it point to Skype and Spotify, then?
Re: [Trisquel-users] SNAP, a door to non free software!
Obviously, if snap is available in Trisquel 8, then it'll point to a place managed by the Trisquel project and subject to all of the same policy criteria: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html
