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Hi Marcus,
I'm doing fine and I was wondering why you never answered back.
I have condensed your email into a new thread by only showing what
you have asked currently. My answers are interspersed within your
latest email.
Paul
On Apr 11, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Paul Tipon wrote:
Hi Paul,
How are you doing?
I must confess I completely missed this reply you gave at the time.
It probably was because the 'subject title' of your reply was
identical to the one I sent so I filed it thikning it was my own.
But, anyways, I luckily found it while reviewing these answers.
I'll just put down your last
responses and talk about how they relate to my ideas.
Your quotes:
"There seems to be a major occlusion that I have yet to see anyone
mention. You are a body, mind and spirit and I want to narrow this
by having you look at your body only because the toughest part to
confront is how you or anyone has been overwhelmed through their
body."
(...)
"Skipping down to here ... as a body, a beingness in a game with
other bodies and beingnesses, what would be an overwhelm to you and
also to others? I'll start you off by asking ... what about an
illness like a common cold or a knock on the ol' noggin? Can a
cold be an overwhelm of degree to you or someone else? Can you now
come up with other overwhelms such as this? ... Good, name them."
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Regarding the first comment, I'll avoid commenting directly on it
because
I've yet to get any direct reality on spiritual experiences; but I
think I
understand part of what you meant.
Let me give my definition of a True Overwhelm (you used the term
'overwhelm
of degree'), as far as Level 4 is concerned, which I got from
information
scattered throughout TROM:
One may also break overwhelms into three categories. Those three
categories also have a hierarchy which is Spirit, Mind and body. I
will stay within the physical universe and just discuss those
overwhelms which occur with the body for the time being.
A True Overwhelm must contain
1. A Postulate failure
a) Over something important (Contains an absolute of 'Must'
or 'Must not')
2. Adoption of an opposition postulate or of its complementary
postulate
a) some part or the whole of this postulate shift goes out of
conscious recall
3. I'm supposing by the commands of L4 there's some distinguishable
sensation/emotion/clue specific to it
Regarding your 'getting a cold' example:
For a bad cold you would feel incapable of being cause of some
sort, because your body is overwhelming you with pain and tiredness
+ the threat of worsening - this would be the postulate failure
part - but for it to be a true overwhelm it would have to cause a
shift of beliefs also. I tried to come up with an example of this
below:
For a normal person in decent tone range you'd need a really bad
cold or a long sequence of colds to have an overwhelm, like this:
"For some reason I feel like I can't become an athlete as I always
wanted because it seems I'm too susceptible to colds; or because
being an athlete is causing me colds and threatening my body's well
being" - so I decide I won't be an athlete anymore.
For a really low tone person one simple cold could be overwhelming
or perhaps even kill him.
Another example would be being rejected by a women, 'feeling
terrible' and generalizing that you can't be attractive to women or
some type of women. (not sure whether this is totally a mental
overwhelm)
Are these the type of examples you meant?
Yes and they are body related.
And finally, I'm sorry if I'm trampling your thought order but is
what you're trying to say that one should focus on physical-body
overwhelms first and how that feels? And how or through which
devices would a spiritual being be overwhelmed through his body and
such?
Let's look at it this way ... What situations can a body get into
that would overwhelm? Depending on one's susceptibility to what is
happening, about to happen or may happen to his body, several things
may or may not happen. Those actions are: affect on the body, affect
on the Mind and then affect on the Spirit/Thetan. Just as a note,
let's keep the Mind as purely reactive and all on its own. The Mind
pulls up a reaction which may or may not be put into play. What the
Engramic Mind does is reactively run a mild emotional somatic engram
or totally go berserk with a stint of unconsciousness, pain and
insane psychotic physical action. The item causing the overwhelm
will be the determinant of the degree of overwhelm and overwhelm
reaction.
Now we are at where I recall my last unanswered post was. That post
asked for you to come up with some overwhelms that are real to you.
Also, I saw that you don't chat/email privately so I would like to
caution you to come up with some answers before you get back on this
list and answer. I want only answers from you and not answers that
have been influenced by others emails/comments. Once you have made a
list and we have discussed your items, then you are free to take
advice and considerations or not from outside sources.
With that I request that those who follow along with this
disucussion, hold your comments until the subject being discussed has
come to a conclusion between myself and Marcus.
Paul
2017-02-10 6:17 GMT-02:00 The Resolution of Mind list <trom at
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