David Miller wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
My emphasis will be on whether it refers
to eternal punishment or something else.
I don't think I know anybody who believes that Sheol or Hades is a place
of eternal punishment.
DAVEH: What did the Israelites, or Hebrews, bel
DAVEH: Elsman.does your below statement mean that you believe the
billions who have lived and died without hearing even the name of
Jesus, let alone the gospel, are condemned to hell.the lake of fire?
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3. YOU ABSOLUTELY CANNOT ACCEPT JESUS UNLESS
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IF THE GIRLS DO NOT TELL THEIR NEIGHBORS AND GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO ACCEPT JESUS, BASED ON KNOWLEDGE, NO ONE ELSE LIKELY WILL, AND THEY WILL GO TO HELL, BECAUSE THE GIRLS JUST WANTED TO COOK FOR THEIR NEIGHB
Dearest Elsman, please answer the following questions to clarify
for the rest of us who you have been screaming at:
1) Does your
wife ever street-preach?
2) Does your
wife wear a head covering? If so, when?
3) Have you
personally knocked on the door of every one of your
Child prodigy. J
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Interesting questions, Izzy. BUT, YOU HAVE THE WRONG ANSWER!
DAVEH: Huh?!?!?!?! You wrote a
couple
David, I don't recall your lovely wife wearing a head covering. Is she not
compliant with scripture? Izzy
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I accept the scriptures when they are rightly divided and taken in balance and in context; I don't cower before every religious zealot coming down the pike. Nor do I see any justification by word or by examp
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I'm getting lost even more. "Didache" = doctrine, so why do you use it
to refer to faith? Didache has to do with the intellect.
And what does "passionate" have to do with faith? Passionate =
sensuality a
Hi David,
Just about to go to bed but wanted to get a quick message off. I think that
there are many things that a person can say, think, or do that would be
displeasing to God. I do not believe that these things make one unaccepted
by God. I want to reply to your earlier post today regarding o
DAVEH: Huh?!?!?!?! You wrote a couple books while in junior high
school, Izzy??? I'm impressed!!!
:-)
ShieldsFamily wrote:
No
I am not some famous author. I did write a book
that was published
about 20 years ago which encouraged Christian women w
I accept the scriptures when they are rightly divided and taken in balance and in
context; I don't cower before every religious zealot coming down the pike. Nor do I
see any justification by word or by example for getting in the faces of the ignorant
and soul sick just to shout at them that th
Izzy wrote:
> David, So what is your belief regarding women
> and head covering?
I believe what 1 Cor. 11 teaches about it, but women are so influenced
by their culture and personal relations that they do not pay the
Scriptures as much heed as what their culture teaches them. I think
that if cul
I would like to ask Bill, Lance, Jonathan, and Sherrie the following
question:
Is there anything that a person can say, think, or do that would be
displeasing to God?
Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
--
"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, t
Jonathan wrote:
> My emphasis will be on whether it refers
> to eternal punishment or something else.
I don't think I know anybody who believes that Sheol or Hades is a place
of eternal punishment.
Are you familiar with the treatise attributed to Josephus about Hades?
Peace be with you.
David
David, If Christine is as good at preaching as she is at playing the cello,
she's gotta be good. We really enjoyed seeing her play with the Symphony (on
tape). Izzy
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Now my oldest daughter Christine, she is another story! She has
preached in public. Christine has had t
David, That's just because I was born on the 4th of July. :-) Izzy
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Nevertheless, I think you would make a great public preacher, Izzy. You
are a true firecracker. You just have the personality for it. You
can't help it. You were made that way. :-)
Peace be with you
PS So when is the last time YOUR wife street preached, Els?? Izzy
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Elsman, (1) I will not be i
Elsman, (1) I will not be interrogated by you.
(2) You will have to ask the other TT’ers if they
think I can think (as I’ve been here much longer than you have.) And BTW, I
think the REAL qualification to be a long-timer on TT is to be able to fight
for your right to be here against bullies
David, So what is your belief regarding women and head covering? Izzy
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Hi David,
I will definitely talk about the times Jesus spoke about hell (Hades or
gehenna) as well as how Paul used it (and the one reference in 1 Peter). I
will start with the Old testament as this is the matrix out of which the
first 'Christians' preached and thought. My emphasis will be on wh
Izzy wrote:
> BTW, how often does your wife do public preaching,
> or David Miller's wife? Are they called to it?
Elsman, I don't know about you, but Izzy got me here. My wife has never
preached on street corners, public parks, or on campus. The closest
thing is that she has shared from the Wor
IZZY,
YOU WOULD BETTER REPRESENT WOMEN IF YOU ANSWERED THE DIRECT AND SIMPLE QUESTION, AND NOT TALKED AROUND THE ISSUE:
1. WAS YOUR HUSBAND SAVED BY YOUR TECHNIQUES?
2. WHILE I AM AT IT, WHY WOULD A MAN READ A BOOK WITH YOUR TITLE? IT IS CLEARLY ADDRESS
Judy wrote:
> But Elsman - what about the "head covering" and the
> other two scriptures addressing cultural problems
> that you have been trying to burden us with.
That really is the ironic thing here. Cindy Smock will preach with her
head covered, but those who rebel against the head covering
You obviously need to read the book, as you don’t get the whole
idea. Izzy
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BOOK?
THE BIBLE SAYS THA
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE BELIEVING WIFE KNOWS HOW TO SAVE HER UNSAVED HUSBANDWERE YOU SUCCESSFUL?
---ELSMAN
P.S. I DO NOT MEAN TO IMPLY THAT THE WORLD DOES NOT NEED YOUR BOOK, ANTICIPATING YOUR REBUTTAL BY KNEE-JERK.
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Judy--I hope you are having a WONDERFUL trip!!! Izzy
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David, If you can get my Sweetie to go, I'll tag along. :-) Izzy
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Nevertheless, I think you would make a great public preacher, Izzy. You
are a true firecracker. You just have the personality for it. You
can't help it. You were made that way. :-)
Peace be with yo
IZZY,
WAS IT CALCULATING & DISINGENUOUS THAT YOU DID NOT INCORPORATE THE
POST I WAS RESPONDING TO OF YOURSIT SAID NOT ONE THING ABOUT YOU TESTIFYING
ABOUT JESUS-JUST ABOUT YOUR SOCIAL DO-GOODISM?
Elsman, Why would you first assume the worst about a
p
IZZY KNOWS SHE IS CONVICTED BY SCRIPTURE & HER OWN REBELLION FROM SUCH, NOT BY ME!!! I DID NOT WRITE THE MANUAL. SO, WITH US ALL. WE ALL CHOOSE TO GO GOD'S WAY---OR, OUR OWN HIGHWAY TO HELL.
---ELSMAN
P.S.
HOW CAN I PUT THIS IN TERMS IZZY , YOU & THE OTHER SPINELESS WON
But Elsman - what about the "head covering" and the other two scriptures addressing
cultural problems that you have been trying to burden us with. Surely you are not
giving Izzy a verbal beating now for being disobedient to those admonitions are you?
Cindy and Jed Smock are a campus "entertain
Izzy wrote:
> I believe I AM ministering to the lost
> (ie: seed-planting) through "my calling".
I always remind myself that while the emphasis of Jesus to his apostles
was upon preaching, the emphasis of Paul's epistles to most believers
was not about preaching or being a light to the world. I
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Shame on you, Elsman. You have no idea how many people I have witnessed to or prayed with to receive Christ. (Even I have no idea, since some are saved by reading the book I wrote 20 years ago.) S
TPW, Sorry to be cut off for being a bore. Izzy
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Izzy: TPW, Do you ever meet wi
Shame on you, Elsman. You have no idea how many people I have
witnessed to or prayed with to receive Christ. (Even I have no idea, since some are
saved by reading the book I wrote 20 years ago.) Some are called to personal
evangelism, where we come along side a person and minister, and bu
Laura, I believe I AM
ministering to the lost (ie: seed-planting) through “my calling”. Izzy
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Interesting quest
Dear Chris' son: That was truly funny. It is said by some that part of what
makes something funny is the truth in it. Ouch!! Blessings, Lance
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\o/ !HALALU Yah!
\o
\o/ !HALALU Yah!
\o/
Greetings in the Matchless Name of
YahShua !
My youngest son was just telling me about
hognose snakes.
They are quite a colorful lot and come in a
great variety of colors.
They have upturned noses and have big
heads.
They appear poisonous but in fact are
\o/ !HALALU Yah!
\o/
Greetings in the Matchless Name of
YahShua !
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." -- from my
likeminded, Torah observant brother Rav Shaul in his epistle to the Torah
observant
Romans
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Izzy: TPW, Do you ever meet with others of your persuasion, like Believers
meet at church? Or do you just learn on your own, perhaps via the internet
discussing what you think with others?
TPW: Some will congregate and do what we call a "Kin" which can be imediate
family and "extended" family.
Jonathan wrote:
> I claim, (the post will come sometime in the next
> two weeks) that hell (meaning a place of eternal
> punishment) is no where to be found in the Old
> Testament (and which of course is why it is not
> found once in early apostolic preaching (the book
> of Acts). I can't wai
ï
Elsman: Pulease say you are jesting!? One gets the
sense that you are full of...well, yourself. If no humor is involved then,
nothing less than an apology is in order. You do see that, don't you?
Lance
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IZZY, I DID NOT REALIZE THAT THIS LIST WAS "CHRISTIANITY 101", WHEN DAVID INVITED ME ON. YOU DON'T EVEN FOLLOW THE "GREAT COMMISSION", AND HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT MEANS. WORKS OF RIGH
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It certainly is not my job to preach on the street. I have only beendoing that anyway for about 10 years, but I have preached and taught inpulpits and at lecterns and Bible Studies for more than 25 years.
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Elsperson,
What do you think, âGo into all the worldââ means? To me it means going into whatever part of the world, and whatever assignment in life, where the Lord places you. Iâm right wher
Laura wrote:
> What are some ways some of the rest of you
> "reach the lost" besides through your calling?
How is it possible for anyone to reach the lost EXCEPT THROUGH OUR
CALLING?
It certainly is not my job to preach on the street. I have only been
doing that anyway for about 10 years, but I
Bill Taylor wrote:
>>> The question is, why are they [infants] safe?
David Miller wrote:
>> Simple. They have not sinned.
Jonathan wrote:
> For all have sinned and fall short of the
> glory of God. This 'all' word seems to give
> you problems.
Not a bit of problem. Consider the context
Sounds to me like Izzy does just fine getting the messge out among those she comes in contact with. The world benefits from teachers, preachers, protesters, street preachers, evangelists and just plain everyday people. She can rub elbows with a whole different group of people and that is just fi
Elsperson,
What do you think, “Go into all the
world…” means? To me it
means going into whatever part of the world, and whatever assignment in life, where
the Lord places you. I’m
right where the Lord put me. I’m
a witness to Christ with the people I rub elbows with every day. I kno
IZZY'S POSITION IS AN INSULT TO THE LORD'S LAST WORDS ON THIS EARTH---"GO". THESE WOMEN CAN KNOW ALL THE BIBLE & HAVE SOPHISTICATED HERMENEUTICS, BUT IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAJONES TO DO THE WORK COMMANDED BY JESUS, THEN..
---ELSMAN THE LAWYER
P.S.
WE NEED MORE
Izzy wrote:
> And I think that women should do street preaching about
> as much as I think they should do military combat.
See. I believe in women ministers more than you do! :-) And so did
Hubert.
You know, I would not object to you getting your husband out there
preaching. You could then m
Jonathan Hughes wrote:
Hi Dave,
Well here is
where it gets tricky and
rather uncomfortable for their control/interpretation. There are
verses
that imply that there is some sort of condition that must be achieved
for
salvation (whether this be belief, faith, baptism etc.)
Jonathan, I’m looking forward to it. Izzy
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Hi all,
I plan on doing an extended post on
TPW,
Do you ever meet with others of your persuasion, like Believers meet at
church? Or do you just learn on your own, perhaps via the internet
discussing what you think with others?
I seems strange to me that your beliefs are not concerned with "truth" or
"sin". Is it all just about "me being
Bill Taylor wrote:
> Interesting, your comments are noted. How do you
> understand Ephesians 2:1-6, in particular vs 1, 3,
> and 5?
>
> 1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
Sins is plural and so it clearly refers to actual sins. Infants are not
dead in trespasses and
David,
Thanks for the advice, but I don't think I have a calling to do street
preaching. And I think that women should do street preaching about as much
as I think they should do military combat. (Remember what happened to poor
HH's wife Phoebe?)
And I still have a hard time believing there a
Hi all,
I plan on doing an extended post on hell
soon so I won’t say much here. It appears to me that Chris is looking
at the different types of Hebrew words to describe hell, one being Sheol which
literally means grave. There are 65 references to Sheol in the KJV of the
Old Testament
Jonathan: First let me say thank
you to David for participating in this discussion. We appreciate it.
Bill Taylor wrote:
> Many, many children have died in infancy before giving
> or even being able to give any indication that they are
> in a relationship with Jesus Christ. Ye
Izzy: I still can't comprehend someone believing the way you do. It is as
foreign to me as a man from Mars. All of my life I've heard of many
different religions, but always thought that true paganism died out with the
dinosaurs, so to speak. What is it that you like about this religion of
yo
David: Just yesterday a man picked up a copy of "Breaking the Da Vinci Code"
having read David Brown's book. Brown's position, as outlined in his novel,
was that of the shopper.
Though by no means a new thesis it finds a compliant audience at every
appearance. Blessings, Lance
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