Re: PROBABLE SPAM Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Well said Slade.Gnostic dualism(s) are present from time to time on TT. Your 'earthy' illustrations help to identify them. thanks, Lance - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 20, 2004 22:58 Subject: RE: PROBABLE SPAM Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Why not check out perichoresis site? Things can be read and heard. Following that 'one' could offer an informed opinion. (excluding Judy, of course as she has written off an Incarnational/Trinitarian understanding of God and His Gospel) PS-The Gospel of Grace is everywhere present in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
1. Are you self-identifying? 2. If you truly think so then, I'd like very much hearing (reading) your clear explanation of 6-8 parables. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 20, 2004 12:52 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians'

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Please (duh) tell me your meaning. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 20, 2004 12:44 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? Lance you are stuck in the earthly time warp. God is not. (duh) Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Soul Spirit?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Speaking for myself (Lance) I often find it difficult to believe (allowing for my last post to you) that you truly don't understand as much as you indicate through your questions. You reflect a level of 'puzzlement' that mystifies. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
What on earth (heaven?) has that statement got to do with mine? You are being coy are you not? Will you say back to me what you believe my meaning to have been? I (Lance, speaking for myself) will then answer. From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 20, 2004

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature (Romans 1.12-16)

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
As I read you it is apparent that your own sense of 'right and wrong' is informed by family, society and religious tradition.I do believe that God, Who embodies 'right wrong' ontologically, does break through to you (us) from time. As I listen to some of you flag-waving nut cases I cannot

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Well written brother John! Isn't it ironic that the very one who practically spits venom at the mention of a theologian or the hint of being informed by one should be so literally in bondage to a system of her own constructing then, call it 'what the Bible teaches'? - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Anyone who cannot preach 'gospel' from the Torah just doesn't understand the Torah. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 00:04 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? Pretty good for an old guy. You made

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature (Romans 1.12-16)

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
John:Yes indeed. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 20, 2004 17:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature (Romans 1.12-16) In a message dated 8/20/2004 4:37:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Second Adam = Assumption of first Adam's nature then redeeming it through 'spirit-empowered' obedience (i.e.fulfilment of the Abrahamic Covenant 'the unassumed is unhealed') This has been referred to as the 'double movement of God' God to man(kind) man(kind) to God (both by God) From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Did I detect a smile in your words there Judy? Good for you. Ever think of taking a run at 'open mike night' at the local comedy club?- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 20, 2004 16:37 Subject: [TruthTalk] Christians'

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
How excellent for all that being right/correct/accurate in apprehension is not a prerequisite for 'salvation'. Rock on Judy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 20, 2004 15:52 Subject: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16 Judy, I

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Jeff:Sticking to the Bible doctrine are not mutually exclusive. You do know that, right? - Original Message - From: Jeff Powers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 20, 2004 18:53 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature Terry If this

[TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
John writes: I am guessing that you believe that I am not studied in scripture or you would not think that I am giving an interpretation that conflicts with scripture. I noticed that you did not give any references but, oh well. jt: I didn't post references but they are there.

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Jeff Powers
Purple text this time - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? Anyone who cannot preach 'gospel' from the Torah just doesn't understand the Torah. Very

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Take a look at the gospel(s) being preached:narcissistic, health wealth, individualistic, deistic (founding fathers), gnostic/dualistic, biblicist/fundamentalist (read angry), religious, tradition-bound, non-open structured (static), -anyone want to add to the list The element of

[TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature (Romans 1.12-16)

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
In a message dated 8/20/2004 4:37:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I believe the 'conscience' is 'constructed' socially. I do not believe that the 'conscience' of humankind is informed by God. jt: For the unredeemed this is so, they march to a different tune because of

[TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Second Adam = Assumption of first Adam's nature jt: Where in all of scripture is the basis for the above presumption? He took upon Himself the "form" of man which is a body. He became flesh and blood like us, experienced the weariness and other

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 8/21/2004 2:43:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not check out perichoresis site? Things can be read and heard. Following that 'one' could offer an informed opinion. (excluding Judy, of course as she has written off an Incarnational/Trinitarian

[TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jt:Check Heb 2:16-18. jt: Jesus partook of human flesh without partaking of the effect of Adam's blood. Heb 2:14 says "forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood he also himself likewise took part of the same." In this verse

Re: [TruthTalk] Gospel for dummies

2004-08-21 Thread Knpraise
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 20, 2004 12:52 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature BTW, Jonathan, I never said that a particular parable was the key to understanding the gospel. But JESUS said, in Mark 4: 11 And

[TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] How excellent for all that being right/correct/accurate in apprehension is not a prerequisite for 'salvation'. Rock on Judy. jt: Says who Lance - You? Read 1 Corinthians 10:1-12 Judy, I am a little surprised at your bias. It is, in fact, the only

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Smits:Just do a google search. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 10:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature In a message dated 8/21/2004 2:43:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:Yes indeed! Say I. PS: If you're not just being your funny self: (Exclude me as I believe that you do that already) Given the interpretive diversity on almost every issue..point made (right Judy?) - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature (Romans 1.12-16)

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] As I read you it is apparent that your own sense of 'right and wrong' is informed by family, society and religious tradition. jt: As opposed to what? TFT, Kruger, Polyani et al. I do believe that God, Who embodies 'right wrong' ontologically, does

[TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jt:Yes indeed! Say I. PS: If you're not just being your funny self: (Exclude me as I believe that you do that already) Given the interpretive diversity on almost every issue..point made (right Judy?) jt: Your point once more Lance, definitely

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:Can you help me distinguish between wilfully ignorant and just plain ignorant? I'm not even hinting that truth is diverse (this my question above). As to the less-than-veiled 'warning' well...thankfully you are not my judge (Judy) (Oh look it's a kinda untentional joke) 'Theological

[TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
John writes: Let me take at shot at this one. If I am right, then Lance's comment is not veiled in any kind of mystery. A "dynamic understanding of the Nature of God and His Gospel" tells me that Lance's view is one that is in flux, changing, expanding, growing. The use of the wording

[TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jt:Can you help me distinguish between wilfully ignorant and just plain ignorant? jt: What difference does it make Lance? - ignorant is ignorant. God said His people perished for lack of knowledge. . I'm not even hinting that truth is diverse (this my

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:May I (laughingly) suggest that you start your own church? We then, will all fall (statically) in line behind you (You, of course being statically in line with all the truth of Scripture). Problem solved eh? God luv ya Judy! You are one ultra-certainlady. - Original Message

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Michael D, Would you mind telling us what the 20 yr old root was, to give us a concrete example? Izzy Please bear with me for an example, Jeff. A close brother in Christ was going through some devasting business failures for seemingly no reason (for the scale involved). I

Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jt:May I (laughingly) suggest that you start your own church? We then, will all fall (statically) in line behind you (You, of course being statically in line with all the truth of Scripture). Problem solved eh? God luv ya Judy! You are one

[TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Forgot to mention that being on the "static side" does not preclude change. The changes ofexpanding, and growing, however, are in usrather than on God's side because HisTruth does not ever change. Jesus is and has been the same yesterday, today, and forever and God says "I am the Lord, I

RE: [TruthTalk] Soul Spirit?

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh noJohn is using the essence word now! Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Soul Spirit? In a message dated 8/20/2004

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:What a surprisingly pleasant post. Well done, young lady. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 13:44 Subject: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? Forgot to mention that being on the "static side" does not preclude

[TruthTalk] Soul Spirit?

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Astute observation Izzy - what meaneth this? jt Oh noJohn is using the essence word now! Izzy jt: The mere citation is no good unless you can prove what you are saying is so by the rest of scripture and you have never done this. The scriptures do not teach that "all humanity" is in

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, Thank you for clarifying. Kruger sees the cross (and forgiveness it provides) simply as fringe benefits of the gospel; this is the centerpiece of every cult. I am very wary of any theology that diminishes the need for repentance and holiness, and ignores the centrality of the Blood

[TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
I'm not seekinga pat on the back Lance, John is the disciple, not me. You and I don't even speak the same language and don't forget I'm on the static understanding side ... Jt:What a surprisingly pleasant post. Well done, young lady. Forgot to mention that being on the "static side"

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Then you should call yourself Sunshine. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 9:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature In a message dated 8/20/2004

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Linda:shorter shorter zzz - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 14:10 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? Gelatins??? J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, Paul was referring to the OT Law (or sometimes Talmud law) whenever he referenced the Law. Most early Christians were Jews, well associated with the Law. According to Romans, all are judged by the right and wrong that they know in their hearts, whether from the written Law or not.

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:No I'm not. (keepin 'em short) - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 14:09 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature John, Paul was referring to the OT Law (or sometimes Talmud law)

RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Gelatins??? J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 10:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? Pretty good for an old guy. You made it into Smithson's saved file. Go ahead

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:IFF I were to 'follow' someone it would be someone like yourself who, insofar as I can recall, has never be wrong on anything. Who wouldn't want to follow that kind of person? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:No it (the cross) is not central! What IS central is WHO is on the cross. But, what about that which preceded it (His life) and, followed it (death, descent, resurrection ascent)???Hmm? Don't be theologically myopic. - Original Message - From:

RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Well, like ya know; God aint stuck in chronology, Lance. Get it? The Trinity always existed, always will, and nothing is new with that. He is I AM, not I WAS, I AM, and I WILL BE. He is free of time, which you are using to say that He changes, contrary to scripture. (Which He wrote and

RE: [TruthTalk] Soul Spirit?

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, You are as easy to understand as G. I guess that makes me dense. You wrote below Linda:I do for the reasons cited:soul (philsophical), spirit (poor exegesis). Was that actually supposed to EXPLAIN anything to me? I asked how you can explain away scriptural references to soul and

RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
I amYHVH your God and I do not change (God) Of course God has 'changed'. (Lance) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 3:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? What on earth

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature (Romans 1.12-16)

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Perry, Please whip Lance with something for his ad hominum attack on myself. Thank you. Izzy PS Lance you are so open minded your brains have fallen out. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 3:54 AM To:

[TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: Cut the hype Lance - you do follow "people" - religious, intellectual, type people who teach at universities. Jt:IFF I were to 'follow' someone it would be someone like yourself who, insofar as I can recall, has never be wrong on anything. Who wouldn't want to follow that kind of

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Jesus became like us so that we could become like Him. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 4:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature Second Adam =

RE: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance has illustrated for us the Kruger gospel: Christ not necessarily necessary. John and Lance: Do we or do we not need the Blood of Christ for the remission of sin? (Regardless of whether we have/have not heard, or where we live?) Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Fw: RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
"I amYHVH your God and I do not change (God) Of course God has 'changed'. (Lance) jt Then God's Word can not be trusted because He does not stand by it and if the Word above is wrong then maybe Jesus is not the same yesterday, today, and forever.Maybe He was not the lamb slain before

RE: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance is really on a roll. LOL! Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16 Jt:Can you help me distinguish between wilfully ignorant

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:Where would we be without (Judge) Judy? My goodness! attending to the 'teachings of men' over the Bible. Thanks again, (Judge) Judy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 13:11 Subject: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Judy, You are on a roll, too. Good work. J Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? Forgot to mention that being on the static side does

RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Dont feel bad about that, jt. Liberals think the US Consitution is a living, breathing document as well (so they can change the original intent/meaning of it as well as the Bibles.) Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Saturday,

RE: [TruthTalk] Soul Spirit?

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
(the dark side encroaches.) Do you think Sunshine Smithson has prayed for discernment in his readings? Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 12:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Soul

RE: RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Jt: check out the comic books. Iz .Lance do you sell your version of scripture at your Bookstore?

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:Methinks you miss the point (seriously). You and that other lady do that a lot. I wish to show no more disrespect than what is called for but(wilfull ignorance vs plain old ignorance?) Duhh Even a smart mouth like myself doesn't appreciate ignorance from a self-professed

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
So does Clarence Thomas for starters. But, I suspect that high court considerations are beyond you backwoods, redneck conservative types. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 14:47 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:Be careful she's gonna bite ya. Don't get too comfortable. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 14:43 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? Judy, You are on a roll, too. Good work. J Iz

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
His blood was spilled in the process of His redeeming life, death, descent, resurrection and, ascent. I know that 'scope' is tough for you Limbaughites. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 14:35 Subject: RE:

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:you may need to nuance or, clarify a bit so as not to elicit too resounding an Amen from DaveH. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 14:29 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature Jesus

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature (Romans 1.12-16)

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:If you're gonna wrap yourself in the good old red, white blue I'm sure it will protect you from mere verbal assaults from a whimpy lib like me. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 14:28 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:I ask again: what of the cosmos, Incarnation and, ascent of humanity to the right hand of God.? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 14:25 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? "I amYHVH your God and I

Re: [TruthTalk] Soul Spirit?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:Be a good 'wifey' and, ask your husband. I think you said he had an education eh? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 14:23 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Soul Spirit? Lance, You are as easy to understand

[TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: Do I recognize the old "divide and conquer" right here on TT? Iz:Be careful she's gonna bite ya. Don't get too comfortable. Judy, You are on a roll, too. Good work. J Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent:

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:Go back to crocheting where you can do more good. Your poor brain's overloaded. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 14:19 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? Well, like ya know; God ain’t stuck in

[TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: I'm still really curious about when God changed and how? I've been reading scripture for a long time and have yet to see a prophet write about God changing - have you? Do you think it possible forsome to bewilfully deceived? Dont feel bad about that, jt. Liberals think the US

Re: RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:We do indeed! Want an autographed copy? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 14:35 Subject: Fw: RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? "I amYHVH your God and I do not change (God) Of course God has

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:I'd drop 'em like a hot potatoe for a chance to follow you (Judge) Judy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 14:26 Subject: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? jt: Cut the hype Lance - you do follow "people" -

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Izzy provides some comments regarding philosophers from a godly Believer by the name of Sundar Singh: He thanked God that he had been enabled to go to the West. Before he went, he thought that there must be something in Modernist theories, otherwise so many men would not write so many

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:Why would I when I have you to read? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 13:29 Subject: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jt:May I (laughingly) suggest that you start

[TruthTalk] Soul Spirit?

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: I knew it!! Didn't I just get through saying that a certain personfollows educated men...? and this is right out of the horses mouth... Iz:Be a good 'wifey' and, ask your husband. I think you said he had an education eh? Lance, You are as easy to understand as G. I guess

RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, God is not the cosmos. God was, is, and ever will be (nothing changed there). I know nothing about the ascent of humanity; could you give me that scripture please? I do know about Believers seated in heavenly places, however. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:Amen brother Singh. I've read a good deal by him. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 15:10 Subject: RE: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? Izzy provides some comments regarding philosophers from a godly

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:I don't expect for you to be able to understand this nor, your newfound friend, Iz. Just move on and ascribe heresy to Lance. I mean he's already Canadian and liberal, at least as you see it. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:Follow the same prescription as given Jt. Take two and call me in the morning. Go watch the Olympics where some second-rate US atheletes are performing. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 15:17 Subject: RE:

[TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: Lance you wrote: Of course God has 'changed' (allowing for the limitations of human language). Three things that are New even for God: 1. The Cosmos 2. The Incarnation 3. Resurrected, glorified HUMANITY ascending to the right hand of the Father where He, Jesus, continues to mediate on

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Terry Clifton
Jeff Powers wrote: Purple text this time - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? Anyone who cannot preach 'gospel' from the

[TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Oh well Iz... Looks as though Lance has taken his ball and gone home. Not only that he has an "attitude" Heappears to be down on everything American... not just the spiritual. Iz:Follow the same prescription as given Jt. Take two and call me in the morning. Go watch the Olympics where

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Well then, just leave it there. No need to jump into water that's too deep for you. Shout if you need a life ring thrown in. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 15:38 Subject: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
I can only assume that means you cannot provide a scripture to justify your beliefs. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 1:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? Well

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Subject: Re: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? Lance wrote: Iz:Amen brother Singh. I've read a good deal by him. Izzy responds: Lance, That is good: finally something upon which we can agree. Perhaps Brother Singh can help you to have a more Christ-like attitude than what

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:Judy, Judy, Judy please... stay with what you do best (the misapplication of Scripture). This other stuff could hurt you. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 15:31 Subject: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? jt:

[TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Well then, just leave it there. No need to jump into water that's too deep for you. Shout if you need a life ring thrown in. jt: You really believe that where you are at is "deep" Lance? You have a lot of faith in all this "education" don't you? Lance, God is not the cosmos. God

[TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Jt:Judy, Judy, Judy please... stay with what you do best (the misapplication of Scripture). This other stuff could hurt you. jt: Ifthis "other stuff"means what you have been promoting here - then for the first time today (or any day for that matter) in this area I am able to agree

[TruthTalk] Test

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't know what is going on but parts of my emails are being gobbled up by some kind of an web pacman before they come back to my computer. Just letting you know what is going on if you receive an odd or misplaced line that is out of context. jt

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:Lighten up! I'da thunk that trailer trash (talk) woulda bin right up your flag wavin' alley. You folks don't seem to mind doing hatchet jobs on fellow believers who are otherwise politically aligned. The charicatures you occasionally offer up are deplorable. I suppose it all depends

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:'Faith'(?) in education. I know education is not the strong suit of the good ol USA but, 'faith ' in it? Uhh no! I do however wish that I had some instead of being the undeducated dolt that I am. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Who told you "education is not the strong suit of the good ol USA?" You have an "attitude" toward everything American Lance and it is ungodly, does not say much for your mentors. From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:09:09 -0400 Subject: Re:

[TruthTalk] Lance's sense of 'humour' (?????????)

2004-08-21 Thread Lance Muir
It was just one of those days when I felt like having a little fun with Iz and Judy. (mostly, at any rate). Fortunately for me I think at least one has a sense of humour. (har de har har) Response: Bang zoom ..to the moon, Lance. enjoy!

[TruthTalk] Lance's sense of 'humour' (?????????)

2004-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was just one of those days when I felt like having a little fun with Iz and Judy. (mostly, at any rate). Fortunately for me I think at least one has a sense of humour. (har de har har) Response: Bang zoom ..to the moon, Lance. enjoy! So you really

RE: [TruthTalk] Lance's sense of 'humour' (?????????)

2004-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, I guess you are the only one who thinks insults (at others) are funny. There is godly humor, and then there is mean-spiritedness. Doesnt say much for your theology. Izzy (Maybe you should run this past your wife if you dont understand it.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature (Romans 1.12-16)

2004-08-21 Thread Knpraise
Kool again Smittyson In a message dated 8/21/2004 3:15:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John:Yes indeed. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 20, 2004 17:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-21 Thread Knpraise
We'll go with ... brown. John In a message dated 8/21/2004 4:18:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John writes: I am guessing that you believe that I am not studied in scripture or you would not think that I am giving an interpretation that conflicts

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 8/21/2004 4:43:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Take a look at the gospel(s) being preached:narcissistic, health wealth, individualistic, deistic (founding fathers), gnostic/dualistic, biblicist/fundamentalist (read angry), religious, tradition-bound,

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature (Romans 1.12-16)

2004-08-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 8/21/2004 5:48:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John: When baseball season comes on, and I coach kids baseball, I often wear the same hat in exactly the same way every time we have a game. When I do not or cannot follow this pattern of activity, I feel

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