Re: [TruthTalk] beginning

2006-01-22 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  Would you be so kind as to translate that into something this less than scholarly Mormon boy can understand, G? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: note: the heavens & the earth and the notable, quotable writer, below, himself, which (& who) expire/d, experienced 'begginings' generated b

Re: [TruthTalk] Question Regarding Covenants & Salvation

2006-01-22 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  The Lord made covenants with groups of people (Israelites, for instance).  I was trying to distinguish that kind of (group) covenant with that of a personal covenant that the Lord would make with an individual.  Does that make sense, John? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe.  Exactly wh

Re: [TruthTalk] beginning

2006-01-22 Thread ttxpress
note: the heavens & the earth and the notable, quotable writer, below, himself, which (& who) expire/d, experienced 'begginings' generated by the Creator, who in Hebrew thought is miraculously both beginningless & endless   On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:09:00 -0800 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [TruthTalk] Question Regarding Covenants & Salvation

2006-01-22 Thread knpraise
Maybe.  Exactly what is a personal covenant, DH?   jd -- Original message -- From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > DAVEH: I would appreciate hearing from any TTers who would like to > share their thoughts with me about the relationship between personal > covenants and sal

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-22 Thread knpraise
    -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>     On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 02:28:51 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   If Christ came in the fallen state He would have been a sinner-   First of all, Dean,  Christ is God and Man.   Secondly, don't think in t

[TruthTalk] Question Regarding Covenants & Salvation

2006-01-22 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: I would appreciate hearing from any TTers who would like to share their thoughts with me about the relationship between personal covenants and salvation. Do you feel that there is a personal covenant associated with salvation? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://w

[TruthTalk] beginning

2006-01-22 Thread Dave Hansen
cd: Blaine I believe all the answers are in the Bible DAVEH:  What do you perceive the beginning to be, Dean?  I am asking this in context of Gen 1:1.. [1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.   cd: Blaine I believe all the answers are in the Bible if

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-22 Thread ttxpress
(*, below, = 'therefore, JC wasn't a human being' which is rational, but not biblical; a sylogistic lie rather than) myth    On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:00:03 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [a.]So far as humanity is concerned - There is none righteous, no not one. [b.]Jesu

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-22 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 02:28:51 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   If Christ came in the fallen state He would have been a sinner-   First of all, Dean,  Christ is God and Man.   Secondly, don't think in terms of "fallen nature" but in terms of sin nature.    A sin nature

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-22 Thread knpraise
  If Christ came in the fallen state He would have been a sinner-   First of all, Dean,  Christ is God and Man.   Secondly, don't think in terms of "fallen nature" but in terms of sin nature.    Now, you may laugh thinking one is no better than the other  -  but I believe there is a difference. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Quote of the Day

2006-01-22 Thread ttxpress
  myth (both 'truth', below, & 'the argument', below, bind ppl, as in (e.g.) Liberation Theology; typically today, political argument produces synthetic truth, e.g., democracy-ism, temporal in nature with its broken-ness (e.g., broken treaties, broken contracts, broken vows) however,  JCs L

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?

2006-01-22 Thread knpraise
Are you saying that Christ sinned and served Satan John? Notice 1John started by warning of deception-He did this because he knew there would be deception in this area-as reveled to him by the Holy Ghost.   Dean, let's be honest, here.  Are you asking me this question above because you are confuse

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"

2006-01-22 Thread David Miller
cd: > I think the Street Preachers understand > B. Hinn quite well. I see it differently. CD wrote: > I have no problem with laying on hands to heal > the sick-heck-I am even for this-but to travel > great distances to believe Hinn has some special > insite/power with God is error-it is suppose t

[TruthTalk] Quote of the Day

2006-01-22 Thread David Miller
Quote of the Day: "Truth will set you free; it is the argument that will bind you." Gene Colgrove, Crystal River, Florida. Every Saturday morning, 12-16 men come together and break bread. It is an oral "TruthTalk" session at a local restaurant which lasts several hours. Well, yesterday in ou

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus - God nor Man (jd/Dean)

2006-01-22 Thread knpraise
G and B  --  sorry about what is happening to Denver, at this moment of time.   jd   -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] lol --  this is partly why I will never be considered a theologian   -- Original message -- From: "Taylor" <[EMAI

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus - God nor Man (jd/Dean)

2006-01-22 Thread knpraise
lol --  this is partly why I will never be considered a theologian   -- Original message -- From: "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yeah, John we got it: If a cow is only partly a cow, she is an udder waste.   :>) Bill  - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus - God nor Man (jd/Dean)

2006-01-22 Thread Taylor
Yeah, John we got it: If a cow is only partly a cow, she is an udder waste.   :>) Bill  - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:40 PM

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus - God nor Man (jd/Dean)

2006-01-22 Thread knpraise
I think you can get the gist of what I am trying to say, here.  Not my best effort.  This is what I get for trying to write and watch the best of Mohammed Ali,  fight # 3 with Joe Frazer.     -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Dean.  We are not that far ap

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus - God nor Man (jd/Dean)

2006-01-22 Thread knpraise
Hi Dean.  We are not that far apart on this issue.   Like you,  I do not believe that Christ sinned.    That is never a concern about what I write.     Secondly,  having a “sinful nature”  has little to do with the event of sinningRather, it has more to do with the possibility of sinning.  I bel

[TruthTalk] A model of vociferous but diplomatic engagement

2006-01-22 Thread Lance Muir
Bill Taylor. Thanks for this, Bill.   Lance

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-22 Thread Taylor
cd: No Bill -I did not completely understand Judy-I view Christ as Wholly God Wholly Human and Judy does not. Not do I agree totally with yours and David stance that Christ was of common man. His nature was no lower than a Christ -like nature:-) That may mean that I am in my own field alone?

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?

2006-01-22 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/22/2006 8:05:45 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David? Hallelujah!! Thank you Dean.  Maybe now we can make some headway; you are right on the ma

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?

2006-01-22 Thread Judy Taylor
Hallelujah!! Thank you Dean.  Maybe now we can make some headway; you are right on the mark.   On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:57:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: cd: John I read your letter but if you want a reply could you please condense your points -In the form it is in I

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?

2006-01-22 Thread Dean Moore
cd: John I read your letter but if you want a reply could you please condense your points -In the form it is in I don't know where to start with this much info. Thanks. But I do see a lack of clarity on the fallen state before salvation and the Christ -like state after salvation. We were sinners

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-22 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/21/2006 2:30:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?       cd: To me this fits the state of Christianity (our new state, a Christ-like state)n

Re: [TruthTalk] A note about history

2006-01-22 Thread knpraise
  The point of history from a biblical perspective is the revelation of Jesus Christ.    A little tidbit I received from one of Kruger's lectures and a most profound point of view.   Without Christ as the primary focus,  history is only a collection of stories and events.  When Christ is conside

[TruthTalk] Fw: Movies page

2006-01-22 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: John D Wilson To: Lance Muir Sent: January 21, 2006 17:01 Subject: Movies page http://www.ransomfellowship.org/Movies.html   Good to talk with you today; as always!   John