In a message dated 4/19/2004 12:40:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Under Calvinism, man has no power to do what is right or to do what is
wrong.  Under Calvinism, man is what God has made him.  It is a form of
fatalism that has no place in the life of a believer who would seek to
please God and grow further in holiness.

I meant to give you some actual quotes that bother me, but the phone is
ringing a lot and I am not going to be able to get to it right now.  I
think you can understand the gist of what I perceive to be wrong with
Calvinism from what I have just said.  I think Jacobus Arminius does a
much better job of pointing out the problems with Calvinism, so read his
works to understand the problems with it.  If I get some time later, and
you seem interested, I will try to post some quotes from Calvin for you.

Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.


I AGREE WITH DAVID MILLER.
IT WOULD TAKE A LONG LECTURE TO DEBATE "CALVINISM".  LET ME TAKE ANOTHER APPROACH:
            1.  IT IS WELL REPORTED THAT 98% OF AMERICAN CHURCH-GOERS HAVE NEVER LED ONE SOUL TO CHRIST.  WHY SHOULD THEY , WHEN CALVINISM IS RAMPANT?

            2.  FIRST JOHN 3:15 SAYS THAT NO MURDERER HAS ETERNAL LIFE ABIDING IN HIM.  HOWEVER CALVIN WAS A MASTER MURDERER:
                  A.  ON OCT. 27, 1553, CALVIN ARRANGED FOR THE BURNING AT THE STAKE OF MIKE SERVETUS.
                  B.  PRE-MEDITATED?  YES.  7 YEARS BEFORE THE ARREST OF SERVETUS, CALVIN SAID:
          "IF HE COMES TO GENEVA, I SHALL NEVER LET HIM GO OUT ALIVE IF MY AUTHORITY HAS WEIGHT..."     CALVIN WAS, IN ESSENCE, THE POPE OF PROTESTANTISM  IN GENEVA.
                 C.  HE KEPT SERVETUS IN A DUNGEON UNTIL HIS DEATH  "....WITH NO LIGHT, HEAT, LITTLE FOOD AND NO SANITARY FACILITIES..."
                 D.  HE WAS BURNED WITH GREEN WOOD , AND IT TOOK HIM 30 MINUTES TO DIE.
                E.  TITUS 1:9 SAYS THAT HERETICS SHOULD BE "REFUTED" BY WORDS, NOT MURDERED, ASSUMING SERVETUS WAS SUCH.
                F.  CALVIN IS NOT KNOWN EVER TO HAVE REPENTED FOR SUCH.
               G.  ADD TO THAT THE OVER-RIDING  "PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS"  DOCTRINE, WHICH IS ALSO CALLED "O.S.A.S." OR "ETERNAL SECURITY" AND YOU HAVE "SINNING RELIGION", WHICH IS WHAT CALVIN PRACTICED!!!!    SEE MANY PASSAGES IN THE NEW TEST. RE HOW YOU CAN LOSE YOUR FAITH AND SALVATION, BUT MY SINGLE FAVORITE IS  I CORINTH. 15:1-4  ".....IF YE KEEP IN MEMORY.....LEST YE HAVE BELIEVED IN VAIN...."


                  ---ONE FOR WHOM JESUS SHED HIS BLOOD AT CALVARY, BUT CALVIN TAUGHT THAT SUCH BLOOD WAS NOT SHED FOR EVERYONE.

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