Re: [TruthTalk] Responding to JD's Public Musings

[Judy Taylor]

 

 

On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:07:45 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 A couple of things.  First, that is not my subject line.  Blame someone else. 

 

You or anyone else is free to change it at any time JD; it is your choice to leave it as is.

 

Secondly, I make public my opinions about you because you have done so many times in the  past. 

I guess I thought this is the way it is to be done.  You want to go private,  call me. 

 

I don't spend any time at all thinking about and/or writing my person opinion regarding your character and

person to this list.

 

The golden rule???   Try it some time and see how  it works. 

Carroll Dean Moore has demonstrated the power of that proverb in recent days.  Dean decided to "end the violence" and took on a different tone  -- without regard as to how others (such as myself and Bill) might continue the discussion.   He did it first  !!   And he persisted in the effort. 

 

To me Carroll Dean Moore has always walked in love toward you and Bill. I have not seen anything derogatory

about either of you coming from his computer so I can't relate to your point above...

 

After perhaps two or three posts,  I realized Dean was responding differently. 

Honest , good hearted people will respond in kind to the presentation of grace !!  now, instead of blasting Dean if /when he says something I do not agree with  --  I watch what I say because I do not want him to think that I make light at his effort to reconcile as brothers in the Lord.  

 

Well that's big of you JD.  Should we all be walking in fear of your anger - expecting a blast at any time?

Dean has his own reasons for what he does and they are between him and the Lord.  I do not believe I have

been outside of God's grace on this list.  I disagree many times but this is what discussion is all about isn't it?

 

I do the same with Terry and Perry and DH and Blaine.  Each treats me with a degree of genuine respect (don't so it isn't so !!).   This is exactly what my friends do with me.  Do you think for one minute, that G, Bill, Lance, Debbie, Jonathan, and company agree with me all the time? 

 

I don't know - could be they are like the ppl out there in the world who are nice outwardly but set an ambush toward you in their heart.  Manipulation is the name of the game out there and you don't get very far upsetting people. However in God's Kingdom he expects us to be honest with each other. At least you know I will never talk behind

your back JD because I always say what I am thinking right up front.  About doctrine that is. I leave your person

to God.

 

Do you think they agree with my (fight) attitude all the time?   Silly girl.   The difference between them and you (and DM) is that they believe that I listen to silence, and if not,  the confrontation is not worth the friendship.  

 

How is it possible to be friends with people you can not be honest with?

 

God is alive to them.   He is working in my life.   Sometimes silence is the most effective criticism available.& nbsp; And I have the same response on occasion toward them.     jd

 

I don't criticize you JD; I disagree with your doctrine and show scriptural proof of why which you do not ever

respond to.

 

 

 

 

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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 

 

On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:03:28 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Judy is like a rebellious teenager, as far as I am concerned.   She has been approached by those of us who seem (read:  SEEM) to be opposed to her out of grace as well as frustration.  It makes no difference.  I have two choices.  One is to give her credit for having the ability to usnerstand what is being said and respond with grace and patience while disagreeing.  The other is to believe that  she simply lacks the ability to carry on a discussion and to think on a critical level  (and critical , here, means "to question, search seek ti apprehend) level.  

 

JD why are you posting your personal and private thoughts about me to a public list? Are you looking for support or do you think them so profound as to benefit others?

 

I do not regard it as "wrong" to protest being treated as a fraud, attached to the Accuser and full of blindness.  

 

Then why JD, since this kind of thing is so painful to you - do you perpetrate it by leaving the same subject

line for a new subject branding me as a "heretic"  What happened to the "golden rule"?

 

If anyone of my loved ones were in need of loving counsel and patient understanding,  I would not send them to Judy.  

 

I would think they would come to you JD, that is, if your walk before them is pure, holy, and God honoring.

 

I even took time to offer her a truce.  I beleive the Spirit led me to write that post.   She decided I was setting her up and refused to even ocnsider the post !!!  I should have made this decision back then. 

 

I didn't know that post was offering me a truce JD. You are going to have to revert to plain speech if you want

ordinary people to understand what you are talking about; also I was under the impression that the issue of that post was resolved.  Do you always hold grudges?

A sign of fellowship with God is the attitude we have for the brethren  (I  John).

 

Your attitude toward me right now leaves a lot to be desired JD.

 

There are things that we do that indicate whether we are being submissive to the God within.   I do not make judgment about her destiny  --   just how she treats other people. 

 

But you don't judge yourself JD which excludes you as a spokesperson for God in this matter.  He says that

only those who are willing and able to separate the precious from the vile can speak for Him so this is just

your opinion - right??  Especially since you are doing exactly what you accuse me of right here in this post.

 

DM does her no good whatsoever, as a pastor,  to defend her belligerence.  She needs correction.  I am not excuding her from fellowship, by the way  -  I am just recognizing the obvious  --  she does not regard me, Lance, Bill, G   and whoever   as being part of the fellowship of the saints and has nothing to gain from agreeing or even discussing anything with us. 

 

You are putting words in my mouth that I have never uttered - building yet another straw man to knock down JD.

DM has spiritual insight - he hits it right on the nose.

 

Her attitude should be of great concern to those who continue to have her respect. 

 

jd

 

 

 

From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

From: Judy Taylor

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 1/8/2006 3:30:21 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] More drivel from the heretic

You can call me whatever you like so long as it's OK with the moderators, it's your conscience

that should be being defiled by such bitterness.  I don't understand why when you agree that

this is where your beliefs are rooted and are busy trying to get Dean to sit under Baxter Kruger

and hear all about the "dancing trinity"  This should be enlightening for him.  Why don't you admit

to him that it is a group who teach this "perichoresis"?  have you at least been open with him about

that?

cd: Sister I thank you for your concern but if any member on this list is presenting the truth of God's word-regardless of it's origin I will support that truth. If this truth is presented incorrectly then I will disagree-some with strong disagreements other with my on timing as to when I will disagree or overlook to achieve a higher goal of destroying the wall completely-if possible.If God's words are presented to deceive then trust God's work in me to discern that deception, but thank you again for your concern. I hope this isn't taken as hard words as they are not meant to be so to you:-) I will add that I believe it is wrong for John or Bill to speak to you in the manner they are doing and I hope they can change even as I am trying to change-why not help them change-kindness goes a long way even to one's enemies. Question: Is it possible that most are here to learn not to tear down?

 

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:03:22 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  "because the understanding you have come back with is that of the Church Fathers ..." 

 

If the Church fathers make the difference, then you are correct, Judy:

when speaking of God, I am orthodox -- and that makes you the heretic. Got any

problems with that, then whine to the moderators. I'm sure they'll be glad to share

the bottle with you.  Bill

From: Judy Taylor

 

You may need to take another trip Bill because the understanding you have come back with

is that of the Church Fathers who by their words and actions (fruit) negated their profession.