[TruthTalk] Confucius, Polanyi etc.

2004-03-23 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I said I like looking for our Lord in all the "wrong" places. It doesn't surprise me to find him working in strongholds normally given to the other side. Jesus madeit hiscareer doing this. jt said How did Jesus make his career looking for God in all

Re: [TruthTalk] the conscience

2004-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
A preacher said our ( 60's ) generation had no morals. This generation is without a conscienceCharles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, you may wish to review the following book:"The Vanishing Conscience", by John F. McArthur, Jr. Word Publishing. 1994.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
Judy, I do not know if you are aware of this, so I won't call your behavior devious and your arguments intellectually dishonest. Instead I will give you the benefit of doubt and simply point out that you are committing an age-old fallacy in several of your rebuttals. The fallacy is called

Re: [TruthTalk] All truth leads to Jesus.

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
Thanks Izzy. I agree with you. Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 9:20 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] All truth leads to Jesus. Hey Bill, I had to drop in to say that I agree with your

Re: [TruthTalk] Blaines Lost sheep of america

2004-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
The interpretation that the "other sheep" are jews in America is spelled out in 3 Nephi 15. It is not to be found in the Holy Bible. The time of the alleged account is AD34 in a visit to the "Nephite" people NOT JUST A SELECT FEW Acts 2:36 Therefore let ALL the house of Israel know assuredly,

Re: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
If you like looking for him in all the wrong places, how about checking him out or his truth at a Witches Coven? If you did not say he is in it, are you refering to his truth in it? So what is so great about Paloneys contribution to Christianity? Was he a christian in more than name only? What

Re: [TruthTalk] All truth leads to Jesus.

2004-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
Jesus picked Judas, would you have Judas as your preacher? Just pick out the bones?"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Izzy. I agree with you. Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 9:20 PM Subject: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] All truth leads to Jesus.

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
Well, what do you think, Kevin? Bill Taylor - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All truth leads to Jesus. Jesus picked Judas, would you have Judas as your

Re: [TruthTalk] 2nd death reported at deadly passion movie

2004-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9049690%255E13762,00.html Minister dies watching Jesus movieFrom correspondents in Rio De JaneiroMarch 23, 2004 A BRAZILIAN pastor died of a sudden heart attack while watching Mel Gibson's controversial film "The Passion of The Christ," church

Re: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
For some it is the Grateful Dead, for others it was Van Halen! Were these guys doing acid?"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read my Polanyi post and get back to me. As far as a "Witches Coven" I don't know. I've not been to one. But a very good friend of mine was hallucinating at a

Re: [TruthTalk] All truth leads to Jesus.

2004-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
I think not. The point is why go to a place where you must pick throughthe trash to get at the meat, when you can go Boldly to the One who is truth? Why not point people directly to the Truth (John "thy word IS Truth") rather than a secondary source? Some might swallow a bone."Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
What evidence exists that Polanyi was a Christian?Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you like looking for him in all the wrong places, how about checking him out or his truth at a Witches Coven? If you did not say he is in it, are you refering to his truth in it? So what is so great about

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Nothing obtuse here Amen

2004-03-23 Thread ttxpress
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:04:37 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: G, I think you got your message across to them...[one] would think this is a chat room. chat's cool, too,Mr. Moderator; as well as the other traditional TT mode/s (inc 'Digest'),partic if it's time worthy

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread David Miller
Wow! Bill, that was a fantastic read. Thank you for taking the time to write it. I have often taught that words only approximate truth and can never really explain truth precisely. The greatest truths remain a mystery when expressed in any language. I came to this understanding by a

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread David Miller
Vince wrote: No offense, but this seems to fall into the category of what many call psychobabble. I guess my brain is just not suited to philosophy. Everyone's brain is suited to understand the things discussed in Bill's post. The problem is that some background for the relevance of what is

Re: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-23 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/23/2004 5:38:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you like looking for him in all the wrong places, how about checking him out or his truth at a Witches Coven? I really don't intend to get involved in this discussion BUT it is obvious to me that

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread ttxpress
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:24:04 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I came to..understanding by a revelation concerning 1 Cor. 2:6-7...[in which] there is much overlap.. with what you shared about Polanyi. The terms explicit knowledge and tacit knowledge will certainly help me

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Nothing obtuse here Amen

2004-03-23 Thread ttxpress
FTR, Mr. Moderator;one may correctlysuspect that DavidM just went to the opposite extreme--from the comments, below--i.e., didn't he actually embrace (with Bill)Polanyi as a Gospel-guru of some sort; I'm in favor of lets at least let'em try toprove it..(eh, Iz?I'm wonderin'..when are you

Re: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
Kevin, I don't know about Van Halen, but my friend was tripping on acid, yes. When he saw the blond haired big man coming toward him he fell to his knees and started begging the Lord's forgiveness. Everyone around him was standing, so he stayed on his knees and crawled through the crowd,

Re: [TruthTalk] All truth leads to Jesus.

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
Kevin, My experience is that many are not prepared to recognize the meet. They've been raised on bones and hate the meet. Sometimes it's necessary to start them out on pabulum (I don't know if I spelled that right); you know, something they can digest, something there stomach is used to.

Re: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
His own testimonial as relayed through several of his close friends. His own words in his book entitled Meaning. The very fact that he walked away from a very proud heritage both in Judaism and later in the arena of Science to become a participating member of a Christian Church. Is that

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread elextech
Yes. Theology is more like math than science; you start with an assumption or set of assumptions, regardless of how much they do or do not seem to reflect a real-world situation, then you derive conclusions from those assumptions. (The final conclusions drawn by theologians can be

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Nothing obtuse here Amen

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
G says I sincerely doubt that (e.g.) Judy or yourself or DavidMwanna be chastised for rejectingsomenovice's rhetorical philosophical spoon feeding. That's very considerate of you, G. Perhaps you are right. Would you please teach me about Polanyi, about philosophy in general, that I might

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread ttxpress
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:33:29 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:(The final conclusions drawn by theologians [about 'science' and/or magic, as in (e.g.) the case of the OT's Daniel]can be checked for validity by comparing them with truth as presented by God in the bible.) (and when you do

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Nothing obtuse here Amen

2004-03-23 Thread ttxpress
post/critiquethe novice'salleged UCBerkely, c. 1962, Polanyi, document/s; otherwise, my comments to 'elextech' (vince) are your's to trash, if you wanna risk it G ~ P 235 On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:51:30 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: G says I sincerely doubt that (e.g.)

Re: [TruthTalk] Blaines Lost sheep of america

2004-03-23 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: The following from the Book of Mormon--submitted by Kevin, thank you Kevin--sounds well-reasoned and plausible. I find it far more believable than the tortuous explanation Kevin gives trying to convince us Jesus was referring to the GENTILES when he said "OTHER SHEEP I HAVE WHICH

Re: [TruthTalk] IZZY - NEWtrition YOU

2004-03-23 Thread Chris Barr
\o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! My assertion re Se is true; refreshing that you are not saying it isn't. My piece was a NEWSY response to NEWS REPORTS giving answer in the same fashion. It was not intended for publication in JAMA (Journal of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-23 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: You used the word, "hallucinating." Was thisfriend a frequent hallucinator? How old was he? Peoplewith hereditary schizophrenia have both visual and auditory hallucinations frequently, usually starting in the late teens or early twenties--prior to that, they most often seem quite

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
Once again I find myself thanking you, David, for the encouraging words. They are much needed and appreciated. Perhaps the other Polanyi aquainties, I'm thinking primarily of Lance, but G seems to be one as well, will disagree with me, but the book to read firstis Personal Knowledge

Re: [TruthTalk] Blaines Lost sheep of america

2004-03-23 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, Just a reminder that there is a challenge on the table for you to present one provable, or proven, fact from the BoM that did not come from the Bible. Maybe you have not gotten to it yet in your catching up on TT posts. Perry From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
Hey, Blaine, No problem -- it's not my story. I'm just telling it like I heard it. I happen to know this kid quite well and believe he's telling it like he saw it }:)but beyond that, you'll have to decide. As far as being schizophrenic, I happen to know that he has not been diagnosed as

RE: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, Funny you would bring up GlasserI stumbled upon his theories in nursing school, and he made more sense than all the others put together. He acted as if there was no such thing as insanity and treated the patients as if they were capable of behaving normally, and they often did

Re: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-23 Thread ttxpress
hey Layman--is this how you were taught, too? What does it have to do with Scripture? G On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 .."Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..why not let the Lord work in mysterious ways and us marvel at his majesty? and "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] IZZY - NEWtrition YOU

2004-03-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
Chris, Thanks for the additional feedback. Why do you think men have a much lower incidence of breast cancerdo they have higher levels of selenium? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barr Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:29 PM To: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
Thanks, John. Welcome Back. And you geta smiley face {:) Hey, you mentioned an interest in conscience theory, and you expressed your opposition to secular psychology. Do you have Ed Bulkley, Why Christians Can't Trust Psychology (Eugene, OR: Harvest House, 1993)? Bulkley was a prof of

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread ttxpress
hmmm.. On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:24:04 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I came to..understanding by a revelation concerning 1 Cor. 2:6-7...[in which] there is much overlap.. with what you shared about Polanyi. The terms explicit knowledge and tacit knowledge

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
G, you would have to understand not only "subjectivism" but also the Lordship of Christ to understand why your "but" doesn't get it. Bill On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 .."Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes to BB: ..why not let the Lord work in mysterious ways and us marvel at

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread ttxpress
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:05:37 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [re: someone misunderstanding]"subjectivism" how so? it'sunfathomable where the misunderstanding could be, Bill, e.g.: On Tue, 23 Mar 2004.. "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I find myself thanking

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
Polanyi doesn't teach subjectivity, G. That's the point. You would have to know him to know that. Why are you so upset? What's troubling you, really. Bill Taylor - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:16

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
G, I am tired of this conversation. I do not see how anything good can come from it. I would appreciate it if you would not respond to me any further. I will show the same courtesy to you. Thank you, Bill - Original Message - From: Wm. Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]