Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
Blaine answers Glenn's Question: Glenn wrote: OK, Mormons will I ever get a yes or no? Do you believe that Jesus is God's son, second person of the Godhead? Yes or no? Godhead and Trinity are the same to me. Do you believe that Jesus is God's son, second person of the Trinity as defined by DavidM? Yes or no? Blaine wrote: Yes Blaine wrote: Do you believe a.) Jesus and his father have corporal bodies? Or b.) do you believe they are just spirits? Multiple choice--a or b? Based upon my knowledge of Scripture, I choose a) Jesus and his father have corporal bodies. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1
Marlin wrote: It did not take me long to find one of many web sites devoted to the topic of contradictions between the Book of Mormon and the Bible. http://www.apologeticspress.org/bibbul/2002/bb-02-38.htm Greetings, Marlin. Welcome to TruthTalk. I appreciate your willingness to jump right into the fray. :-) Based upon Marlin's contribution here, I have a question for the Mormons that has not come up before. Alma 46:13-15 speaks of believers in Christ being called Christians around 73 B.C. Acts 11:26 says that the followers of Christ were first called Christians at Antioch, which was more than 100 years later. Which one is right? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Book of Abraham - Pearl of Great Price
Ok, DavidM, you can now she what I am talking about. NO way, are Mormons going to study anything factual. David Miller wrote: What about you, DaveH? Will you take me up on this offer? DAVEH: As I've explained before, I am not in TT to learn about Mormonism. (There are many other forums I can join to learn such, if I should desire to do so.) My interest here is to learn about Protestantism..what they believe, and why. Nevertheless, if you have some specific points of LDS doctrine you wish to discuss, I'll try to answer them to the best of my ability. Will any Mormon be willing to talk about Joseph Smith's involvment with the Book of Abraham? Peace be with you. David Miller. --
Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
Am I the only one on TT that has a problem with the belief that Satan and Jesus are brothers? Blainer) Why not just show us where in the Bible the word "Trinity" is at? It is either there or it is not there. On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:23:12 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To remove the Biblical word "Trinity" is compromise to get along with a cult that believes Jesus and Satan are brothers. I don't mind standing alone.
Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1
Hypocrite defined = doing the same thing you condemn others for doing How can you complain about people not reading the BoM when you or DaveL won't read the book DavidM is perfectly willing to send you free? Blainer) I assume by "scripture" you mean the Bible. The BoM is a complement to the Bible. It supplements it. It does not contradict it. It may contradict some traditional doctrines that are based upon wrong interpretations of the Bible. You have not read it, I can tell.
Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1
Notice, Martin, no response to your link on contradictions, which Mormons are not allowed to read. Instead you get another question. I have seen this for years. It is typical of cults like the Jones cult in Africa where they drank their juice. Davel's question is hypocritical. THERE IS NO WAY HE BECAME A MORMON BY READING THE BIBLE. THERE "AIN'T NONE" IN THE BIBLE. So it is fair to say, DaveL became a Mormon by HIS OWN KNOWLEDGE. Please refer back to my definition of hypocrite. Hello Dave, It did not take me long to find one of many web sites devoted to the topic of contradictions between the Book of Mormon and the Bible. http://www.apologeticspress.org/bibbul/2002/bb-02-38.htm DAVEH: I see, Martin. So you didn't know of any contradictions from your own knowledge, but have presumed such..is that correct?
Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
Substance as in Joe Smith's semen deposited in other men's wives. Herein lies the historical evidence. Is semon a substance? DAVEH: Thanx for the great explanation, DavidM. Would you be so kind as to elaborate just a little more on the meaning of "substance" as used here. Thanx.
Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
Here we go with the cult psychology again; another question? DaveL - How do you respond this this Bible verse? DAVEH: I'm not offended by the cross. I sometimes think that Christians (and the RCC in particular) 'over use' the cross in their worship.but that is their (worship) business, and not particularly appealing to me. If you or anybody else wants to idolize the cross, it is your free will to do so. The cross Christians seemingly worship was constructed and erected to do one thing.kill my Savior. To me it was a work of those who rallied against God. But through his power, my Lord overcame the effect of the cross and was resurrected-from the tomb, I might adddo any Christians carry a small slab of stone about their necks to symbolize the stone rolled to the side as Jesus passed by as he arose from the dead?
RE: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works
Izzy asks: If we are drawn away by our own lusts; doesnt satan tempt us in the first place, or not? Or else how do we know which sins are a response to satans temptation, and which arent? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works Why not? James 1:14-15 Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works Glenn again - No Glenn wrote: Sounds like Satan has the power over you. I don't believe he does over me. Glenn, Doesnt satan have power over us when we sin?
Re: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works
You asked (see below) if Satan had POWER over us when we sin. I said no. Satan cannot make Christians sin. Satan tempting us and Satan having power over us is two different things as I see it. Satan can tempt us, but according to James 1:14-15, we are the ones who give in to the temptation. Satan cannot make Christians sin. If anyone has a better understanding of this, let's hear it. If anyone thinks Satan has power over Christians, let's hear it. Izzy asks: If we are drawn away by our own lusts; doesn’t satan tempt us in the first place, or not? Or else how do we know which sins are a response to satan’s temptation, and which aren’t? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works Why not? James 1:14-15 Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works Glenn again - No Glenn wrote: Sounds like Satan has the power over you. I don't believe he does over me. Glenn, Doesn’t satan have power over us when we sin?
Re: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works
Glenn wrote: You asked (see below) if Satan had POWER over us when we sin. I said no. Satan cannot make Christians sin. I agree that Satan cannot make a believer sin. However, I think Izzy was saying that if a believer were to sin, then that would give Satan power over them. I agree with her. Jesus said that whoever commits sin is the servant of sin. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
DaveH wrote: To me it [the cross] was a work of those who rallied against God. But through his power, my Lord overcame the effect of the cross and was resurrected- I think the Mormons teach contrary to the Bible about the cross and the blood shed on the cross. Was the cross part of God's plan, or was it the enemy rising against God? I can understand how you might see the enemy is involved rising against God and your Savior, but surely you must understand that this was part of God's plan to bring salvation. I know that you have been taught about the blood Jesus sweat in the Garden, but the blood shed on the cross is what redeemed mankind, according to the Scriptures, which cannot be broken. Consider the following passages and their emphasis on the cross: For the preaching OF THE CROSS is to them that perish foolishness; but UNTO US WHICH ARE SAVED IT IS THE POWER OF GOD. (1Cor. 1:18) And whosoever DOTH NOT BEAR HIS CROSS, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:27) But God forbid that I should GLORY, save IN THE CROSS of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. (Gal 6:14) For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having ABOLISHED IN HIS FLESH the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body BY THE CROSS, having slain the enmity thereby. (Eph 2:14-16) Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an example. (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the ENEMIES OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. (Phi 3:17-21) For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell; And, having made peace THROUGH THE BLOOD OF HIS CROSS, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblamable and unreprovable in his sight. (Col 1:19-22) Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
Blainer) As DaveM said, Glenn, you just want us to answer yes or no, preferably no, so you can shout cult! cult! You make it plain as the pane in my storm door that you have no intention of discussing anything for the purpose of getting at the truth. You have apparently read somewhere that Mormons may be de-programmed by using techniques used against cults. This is the problem as I have come to see it. You might as well forget this, Glenn, because the Mormon Church is not a cult that exercises mind control over its members, and therefore mind control deprogramming techniques won't work with us--your deprogramming techniques are about as effective with Mormons as using a sledge hammer to cut down a tree. We feel the constant hammering, but obviously are not responding to it. Besides that, Glenn, you make yourself seem foolish in the process. OK, pal? Give it up, and you will be happier, and so will we. On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:51:06 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The below is how I hear you say yes to a question DAVEH: Huh again?!?!?!?!?!.Since when does HUH? equate to yes??? Do you know the difference between yes, no and huh, Glenn? and then turn around and explain away yes. DAVEH: What do you think I was trying to explain away? I gave you the answers in as simple terms (yes) as I could, excepting the one question in which I did not understand your term. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we go again. I just can't get answers. DAVEH: Huh?!?!?!?!..What do you think those below comments are following my name??? Red is not red and blue is not blue. Red is black. Blue is white. And frankly, the color white does not exist. How you I know this chair I am sitting in is a chair? I don't know it. I have been told all my life it is a chair, but that is just what I have been told. Maybe the table is really a chair, but I have always just accepted a table is a table. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
Blainer) It is in the Bible alright, and probably not a mistake. But neither is it a commandment. The belief that we must have crosses in our chapels and around our necks is purely a tradition. God never said we had to do that. He told the Israelites to splash blood on their doorposts to be passed over by the angel of death. That was a commandment. But no crosses, OK? We have our choice on this matter. No commandment, just an option and a tradition. I find no real fault with Christians having a cross, but neither do I need a cross to be a Christian. On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:14:48 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness. What if this is not a mistake in the Bible? Blainer) Wowsers!! It is just that simple, so I guess I must not be able to understand simple things. I wish it was that simple. The cross is a symbol, no more, no less. There is no commandment to hang a cross in every chapel, around your neck or to display one anywhere at any time. It is strictly a matter of taste. I CAN KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS WITHOUT DISPLAYING A CROSS ANYWHERE, SO THE CROSS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY BEING--OR NOT BEING--A CHRISTIAN. Crosses are strictly tradition-based symbols, and could easily be replaced. In fact the ancient symbol for Christianity was a fish, not a cross. Either is optional--neither is a requirement to be a Christian. I can be naked in a field by myself and still be a Christian--no ornaments, no jewelry, no building even. (:) Ya-at-eh! (Navajo-speak for it is good!) -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
First of all, I have no intention of converting you. The Holy Spirit told me you have crossed the line of no return. As for the statement below. you, Mr. my nose up Joe boys butt, are a liar. Glenn, because the Mormon Church is not a cult that exercises mind control over its members,
Re: [TruthTalk] Book of Abraham - Pearl of Great Price
Blainer wrote: The best I can say about your book is that it will go down with all the rest of the weapons raised up against Mormonism. (:) That is not likely as long as the Church has these papyri fragments which show how Joseph wrongly reconstructed images and falsely attributed the works to Abraham and Joseph. Are you saying that the Church might soon destroy or lose these documents? What has really happened is that more and more evidence is showing that Joseph Smith was a fraud, so that not only Mormons who stay with Mormonism as a fraternity and club are aware of it, but people like us outside of Mormonism understand that the myth you follow was perpetrated by a con man named Joe Smith. Blainer wrote: The following is of pertinance here. This is a revelation given independantly of Joseph Smith to a man named Solomon Chamberlain (June-July 1829, in Palmyra, New York). He received an angelic visit shortly before miraculously coming into contact with the leaders of the Early LDS Church. He had a pamphlet printed, part of which read: . . the angel had made known to me in the vision, that all churches and denominations on the earth had become corrupt, and no church of God (was) on the earth, but that He (God) would shortly raise up a church that would never be confounded nor brought down . . . And you accept evidence like this over and above documents you can touch and examine for yourself? The truth is that you believe what you want to believe. You have every right to do that. I don't really plan to bring it up much with you anymore. But if you share stuff like this, I might just express my amazement at your gullible mind to be taken fancy by this but not to care the least about the actual documents from which Joseph Smith translated the Book of Abraham. This would be like you finding the actual original text that the New Testament came from, and I tell you that I'm not interested in looking at it because my mind is already made up that the New Testament is true. Please. I would want to examine these texts right away, and I would readily spend money to get those texts into my hands. Do you know how many homeless people I have come into contact with during the 1990's who had exactly this same revelation as you express above? I'm talking about completely different people over years who did not know each other. This revelation is something that has surfaced hundreds of times in every generation. I generally turn to the book of Revelation and pointed out how not every one of the seven churches there received a rebuke. Doesn't that suggest that perhaps not EVERY church is apostate? Joseph Smith claimed to translate from ancient Egyptian the book of Abraham. Smith said that the book was written with Abraham's own hand, making it older than the book of Genesis, the oldest Scriptures ever discovered. It was from this book that the Mormons banned Blacks from the priesthood. Now we know for a fact that Joseph Smith could not translate Egyptian, and that what he produced was a complete fabrication. It had nothing to do with these documents which he claimed were written by Abraham's own hand. Joseph Smith pretended to create the first Divinely Inspired pictures with this book of Abraham. Problem is, the pictures he interpreted are now known to be all wrong. They are about Egyptian pagan gods, not Abraham. One of the pictures Joseph reconstructed because the papyrus had a section missing. We have the actual papyrus and can see the part missing, and the penciled reconstruction that was drawn on the backing paper. It is now clear that Joseph Smith reconstructed it wrong with regard to how Egyptologists understand these documents. Nothing but imagination was used by Joseph Smith. But none of this matters to someone who has made up his mind that Joseph Smith was God's man. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
You cannot be a REAL Christian WITHOUT a cross. Anyone who despises the cross, despises Jesus. Anyone with a take it or leave it attitude towards the cross has never had his sins washed away by the power of the Blood shed upon that sign of the price HE paid. The cross the FULCRUM upon which our entire faith is based! Your lack of respect for the cross shows your apostasy without question. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. JESUS CHRIST (Matt 10:38) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:46 PM I find no real fault with Christians having a cross, but neither do I need a cross to be a Christian. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works
In a message dated 10/27/2002 3:59:55 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glenn wrote: Sounds like Satan has the power over you. I don't believe he does over me. Glenn, Doesn’t satan have power over us when we sin? Izzy Are you saying Satan is the reason we sin. I also wonder how Bro James can say we can't bind Satan but we can bind demons. Satan is not omnipresent so he can't be in more than one place. That would mean that his demons are usually the ones who/that cause us grief and I'm all for binding them. The best way I know is to throw scripture and the name of Jesus at them. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
Dear David, Another topic is the state of the dead, the resurrection, and the hereafter. When I saw my words come back, I realized that it could convey a fear of what comes after death. I admit to some of that. But I have hope in all that I can understand in the Word of God on that topic. As far as life being too short, death has troubled my immediate family. With all that we can understand about the hereafter, one thing is paramount. God and his angels are involved, noting, and awaiting the outcome of all that goes on here. Reality is bigger than our senses can perceive, but this is the focal point of creation. We read that angels neither marry nor are given in marriage, and that the dead are like them in this. So procreation, as we know it, is not going on in the hereafter. But the creation of the Sons of God is going on --as we may be joint heirs with Christ. Thus we have much privilege that those in the hereafter cannot participate in. Oh how important it is that we train up our children in the way that they should go, and be responsible for their guidance. How important it is to have loving families. How important it is to love the widows and orphans, with crippled families, and brethren who need love and support to draw nearer to the truth and our loving maker. We have work to do here and now. When we go on, our work here is done. I am sure that the next phase that our loving maker has for us is exciting and much better in new and different ways. But this is where the fish are biting; this is where God's attention is focused. What are we to do with this precious time, in such weak, corruptible bodies, destined for the dust? May God bless you, and all. Love, Marlin - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection Marlin wrote: Life is just too precious and short to get involved in attitudes. ... Let's love the truth. What a beautiful statement. We often fall way short of this on TruthTalk. Let's give heed to our newcomer here and try to embrace the truth and set aside our attitudes. Amen? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: ****** SPAM ***** Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1
Michael Douglas wrote: > >> DAVEH: If that is truly the case, then would you not think that our > >> Father in Heaven is a man? For does not the Bible testify that > >> Jesus is the "Son of man"? Yet many times I have been told (by > >> TTers included) that God is not a man. Using your method of > >> interpreting the Bible, Glenn, it would seem like God is obviously a > >> man. Do you disagree??? And when you answer, please bear in mind > >> that you said "If it CAN be taken literal it MUST be taken > >> literal." If you say God is not a man, then who am I to believe, > >> YOU or the Bible??? > >>Michael D: Dave H, I am interested in finding out how did God become a man, DAVEH: Assuming you are referring to God the Father: As man is, God once was is a popular LDS belief. If you are referring to God the Son: Jesus was created (born) as spirit in the pre-mortal existance as we were. He was a 'God' there due to the nature of his relationship with our Father in Heaven (Jesus being the firstborn of the spirits) and the work he was foreordained to do for his Father. and how did he become exalted to be God? DAVEH: Though Jesus was 'God" prior to being exalted, he became exalted after he was resurrected and returned to his Father in Heaven. I asked a couple of questions of you and Blainer yesterday to get a clear understanding of what LDS theology says about these things. I am picking up bits of answers as I read through the posts. Could you answer these for me? DAVEH: Sorry 'bout the delay, Michael. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~
Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1
David Miller wrote: In America today, 85% of our population profess to be Christians. There are many different sects within Christianity and many divergent beliefs. Some Christians say it does not matter how you live because Jesus saves you by grace alone. You can give your heart to him today, go out and kill 500 people and steal millions of dollars and after the police shoot you down, you will go to heaven. Such individuals have told me that if I did not believe like that then I believed in Lordship doctrine and I was going to hell because I did not understand grace. In their theology, the serial murderer who understands saved by grace and not by works will be saved, but the self righteous Pharisee (me) will be damned because he thinks his works help him get saved. Other Christians say that if you sin one time, you will be damned to hell. DAVEH: You have previously suggested one will be damned to hell for transgressing. If one is 'saved', and continues to sin.then what is the ultimate result? Is the (continue to) sinning Christian truly saved, DavidM? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
ShieldsFamily wrote: You cannot be a REAL Christian WITHOUT a cross. Anyone who despises the cross, despises Jesus. Anyone with a take it or leave it attitude towards the cross has never had his sins washed away by the power of the Blood shed upon that sign of the price HE paid. The cross the FULCRUM upon which our entire faith is based! Your lack of respect for the cross shows your apostasy without question. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. JESUS CHRIST (Matt 10:38) Izzy DAVEH: Do you really think he was referring to the crosses Christians commonly wear and decorate their edifices with, Izzy? Please note two things. First, Jesus had not yet been crucified when he spoke this. Second, he specified his (symbolically meaning the 'cross' or perhaps burden of the person he was referring to) rather than Jesus' own cross upon which he was crucified. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
