[TruthTalk] Just for John

2004-03-12 Thread Chris Barr
\o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings DAVEH et al in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! In a message dated 3/11/2004 5:38:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Was it you that made a big deal about the kkk and the Baptist? No comment from Chris Barr. Mormons are the only

Re: DAVEH -- Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-12 Thread Chris Barr
\o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings DAVEH et al in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! You read ALL the TT mail?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? There is a LDS group out of western Missouri that is pretty much in agreement with all that I believe from Scriptures except they add the BoM ... BUT they say JS

[TruthTalk] The value of history

2004-03-12 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Dear Kevin and Judy, We are having problems communicating because of two faulty assumptions.Following are two assumptions that need to be examined: 1. Does God's Word equal The Bible? My answer: No. jt: My question then is, where are you going to find

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

2004-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
NoDave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: He was A devil who became THE Devil when Satan entered into him.DAVEH: Do you think he was saved prior to that time? Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]Kevin Deegan wrote:HE WAS A DEVIL! Jesus told us so. Where

Re: [TruthTalk] Uh, DRUM ROLL please ...

2004-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
LOL[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/11/2004 8:36:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.unitedisrael.org/loslunas.html Give me a sec. I might have to convert. John Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster.

Re: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-12 Thread Wm. Taylor
I resemble that. Unfortunately I had to drink the whole gallon before realizing it was sour -- it's kind of like ether, though, once you've had it in you,it only takes a whiff to remind you why you don't like it. It was the GRACE of GOD issued to me through a caring pastor and a slow summer

RE: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
I asked him to share his testimony. I am still waiting.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin wrote: Doesn't the Bible say express image of his PERSON? John Smithson wrote: II Cor 2:10 -- there you go.I think he meant Heb. 1:3.Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of

Re: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
jt: Who saw the Judas movie? I don't make a habit of watching religious mumbo jumbo through the eyes of secular media and wouldn't have gone to the Gibson movie but for the accolades by well knownChristian leaders in this country (and my daughter coming up with a ticket). This is what is so sad

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-12 Thread Wm. Taylor
Well actually, DaveH., David Miller did not invite me in. I blundered into this on my own accord. But thanks David for all the encouraging words (and what's the deal, DaveH., I thought we were buds?) The problem with these discussions is, if you're going to do them justice, you have to take your

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Are you fluent in greek?"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: u`posta,sewj noun gen fem sing [Fri] u`po,stasij( ewj( h` as the objective aspect and underlying reality behind anything, w. specif. mng. derived fr. context; (1) as an undertaking plan, project (2C 9.4); (2) as God's substantial

Re: [TruthTalk] The value of history

2004-03-12 Thread Wm. Taylor
Judy, you wouldn't even know the word "person" were it not for the early fathers. It didn't exist before them. They are the ones who invented it. Why can't you be glad they created it? By coining the word, they gave you a gift: the ability to say things about God that could otherwise only

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone, short bio. of Bill

2004-03-12 Thread Wm. Taylor
Kevin asks, "By the way how did you become a christian or are you still working on it?" I reply, Kevin I hope you are not asking me in vane. I grew up attending a Church of Christ in a small farming community. On most Sundays there were fewer than fifteen people in attendance, and

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 4:36:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You missed an absolutely fascinating discussion on this very topic a few days ago. Maybe you can pick it up on TT's webpage. Anyway, thanks again. Bill Beans! How did I miss it? How do I get to the

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-12 Thread Wm. Taylor
I can hold my own. Bill - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity Are you fluent in greek?"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Mel Gibson's Movie

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 10:36:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Thanx John. Many other TTers have also previously done likewise, but I think most have now given up hope and consider me lost forever. I appreciate your concern, though I disagree with your goal.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mel Gibson's Movie

2004-03-12 Thread Wm. Taylor
LOL, John. You are really funny. hehe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mel Gibson's Movie In a message dated 3/11/2004 10:36:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 11:29:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Thanx for the offer, John. At this point in time, I don't think I am comfortable with understanding grace as you apparently must Why not? The scriptures and biblical references to grace verses law

Re: [TruthTalk] The value of history

2004-03-12 Thread Wm. Taylor
NKJ Colossians 2:3 --"in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." I hope you never hear an ass speak or a rock cry out. You might just think your stomach's growling [:) Let's get over it, Judy; if I'm not the enemy, why do you insist on treating me like I am? Bill

Re: [TruthTalk] Just for John

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 3:19:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for black and "American religions" ... again, the Mormons were at least out in the open and honest ... other churches banned blacks from leadership in practice but just didn't mention it in their dogma.

Re: DAVEH -- Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 3:40:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Church of Christ ... just like JS when he started. Hey -- so you're a fellow Stonie? Awesome. John

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 5:18:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, well, that should be about enough to tee you all off :) My blood is boiling even as you speak. Its great. Bring it on. (just kidding) John

Re: [TruthTalk] Mel Gibson's Movie

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 6:09:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOL, John. You are really funny. hehe Rise! I am but a man. John ( I actually say this a lot to my wife IShe keeps saying that she needs no further reminder.)

Re: [TruthTalk] Mel Gibson's Movie

2004-03-12 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DaveL -- I am nearing the age when this oldtimers thing starts kicking in which means I will be forgetting that I prayed for you yesterday, hence preventing me from ever tiring of my intercessory purpose. Every day, every prayer will seem to be the first time. I

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-12 Thread Dave
Wm. Taylor wrote: Well actually, DaveH., David Miller did not invite me in. I blundered into this on my own accord. But thanks David for all the encouraging words (and what's the deal, DaveH., I thought we were buds?) The problem with these discussions is, if you're going to do them justice,

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

2004-03-12 Thread Dave
Kevin Deegan wrote: No DAVEH: Is there Biblical evidence that brings you to that conclusion, or is it an assumption on your part? Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: He was A devil who became THE Devil when Satan entered into him.

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

2004-03-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Beans! How did I miss it? How do I get to the webpage? John Go to www.mail-archive.com Enter truthtalk in the box and click Find List (or press return). Then click on the TruthTalk link. There is usually a lag from time of posting until it appears in the archive. Perry

Re: [TruthTalk] Schoolyard conversations

2004-03-12 Thread Lance Muir
O Ya? Well my dad (my TRUTH) can beat up your dad (your TRUTH).Can I get an AMEN? From: Dave To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 12, 2004 09:59 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone Kevin Deegan wrote: NoDAVEH: Is there Biblical evidence that brings you

[TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-12 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]I think if you guys would ask Bill to share more about what he is talking about he would. He just doesn't want to be attacked. Maybe if we were humble like students and treated him like a teacher, we might learn some things. Otherwise, I fear we will be

RE: [TruthTalk] GILLES GORED BY BULL-DIKE IN BEANTOWN BROUHAHA

2004-03-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
HA!!! Agreed! I dont mind the big words guys, but the new gorilla carrying on about David Miller, etc., is just too scary for me. You are one of the few I miss, Terry. Hugs, Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Thursday, March 11,

Re: [TruthTalk] Schoolyard conversations

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 7:44:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: O Ya? Well my dad (my TRUTH) can beat up your dad (your TRUTH). Can I get an AMEN? Not til agfter you meet my dad! Actually amen. John

[TruthTalk] The value of history

2004-03-12 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] NKJ Colossians 2:3 --"in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." jt: "and of Christ in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge" Same as "I (Christ) am the Way, the Truth, and the Life" noone comes to the Father but by

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone, short bio. of Bill

2004-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Thank you William"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin asks, "By the way how did you become a christian or are you still working on it?" I reply, Kevin I hope you are not asking me in vane. I grew up attending a Church of Christ in a small farming community. On most Sundays there were

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

2004-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Judas, He is a devil Here is his pedigree: He was NOT a believer! Jn 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. He was a thief JN 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he

RE: [TruthTalk] Uh, DRUM ROLL please ...

2004-03-12 Thread David Miller
Chris wrote: Here it is ... http://www.unitedisrael.org/loslunas.html Did anyone notice the dots / periods after some of the sentences? This looks a little fishy to me. I visited a stone thought to be written by Vikings in Oklahoma once. I had some clients near Mena, Arkansas, and so I

Re: [TruthTalk] Mel Gibson's Movie

2004-03-12 Thread elextech
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:52:57 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The passages from Isa (was it vince?) that nailed the full picture of the suffering Jesus experienced on that day had nearly as mighty an effect on me as the movie --- thanks vince for the reminder. You're certainly welcome.

Re: [TruthTalk] Just for John

2004-03-12 Thread elextech
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 05:17:16 -0600 Chris Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... to what you were making reference. I like to see someone write to what instead of writing you were making reference to. It's a delight to see good grammar (or is that syntax?) . vincent j fulton --

Re: [TruthTalk] GILLES GORED BY BULL-DIKE IN BEANTOWN BROUHAHA

2004-03-12 Thread elextech
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:17:15 -0600 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]writes: ... the new loonies are making things interesting. What? I'm not loony and neither am I. Who said that? vincent j fulton 18_crazy.gifshocked.gifdrunk.gif

Re: [TruthTalk] The Last Days

2004-03-12 Thread elextech
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:59:13 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FTR though, I must respectfully disagree with your conclusions, Vincent. OK, fair enough. vincent j. fulton -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer

[TruthTalk] Re:Syntax/Semantics

2004-03-12 Thread Lance Muir
No syntax contains it's own semantics. Lance - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 12, 2004 13:58 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Just for John On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 05:17:16 -0600 Chris Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... to what you were making

RE: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-12 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: Why would you think Bill's belief more important than that of Perry, Terry, Vincent, Kevin, Laura, and the others? The teacher is Jesus and he can speak through all or any part of the body; it's up to us to discern what is of him through the anointing that dwells within

Re: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-12 Thread Wm. Taylor
I am sorry. I hear you. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me. In a message dated 3/12/2004 5:03:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,

RE: [TruthTalk] The value of history

2004-03-12 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: Bill we need to give credit where credit is due. I am using spiritual words to communicate spiritual truths and both of these come to me by way of the Holy Spirit. Not the Nicene Fathers. I think the principle that you have lost sight of is that none of us have lived in a

RE: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Forgive me Reverand FatherforI have erred O how I long to be considered worthy again.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy wrote: Why would you think Bill's belief more important than that of Perry, Terry, Vincent, Kevin, Laura, and the others? The teacher is Jesus and he can speak through

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Syntax/Semantics

2004-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Whatz Daa Problum, ya don't like Nu Yorkas?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No syntax contains it's own semantics. Lance- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: March 12, 2004 13:58Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Just for John On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 05:17:16

RE: [TruthTalk] reliability of the HOLY BIBLE

2004-03-12 Thread David Miller
Kevin wrote: You contend that the Scriptures did not exist until, exactly when??? Scriptures came into existence on mount Sinai when Moses received the first of them written with God's own finger. Later, we read about a canon being compiled at the time of Ezra. History informs us that

RE: [TruthTalk] reliability of the HOLY BIBLE

2004-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
So we can safely assume that they did not exist before Mount Sinai?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin wrote: You contend that the "Scriptures" did not exist until, exactly when???Scriptures came into existence on mount Sinai when Moses received thefirst of them written with God's own

Re: [TruthTalk] Mel Gibson's Movie

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 11:45:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm glad that I can contribute something here. :) vincent j fulton Me too. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Just for John

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 11:45:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a delight to see good grammar (or is that syntax?) . Say who? John

Re: [TruthTalk] The value of history

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 1:23:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everybody has been impacted by those who have gone before us. True but this does not mean that we are, therefore, incapable of arriving at conclusions that "given" to us apart from this history. if

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 9:36:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Antichrist is the Man of sin son of perdition: 2 Thes 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son

Re: [TruthTalk] Uh, DRUM ROLL please ...

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 9:50:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did anyone notice the dots / periods after some of the sentences? This looks a little fishy to me. Actually, this is a very good observation. It is also interesting to me that God gave the wording, the

Re: [TruthTalk] The value of history

2004-03-12 Thread Wm. Taylor
Brother, brother. I am notsaying anything about the possibility or impossibility of original thought.It might be a cool conversation, but that's not it at all.Let's not be too proud to give credit to those whose thoughts were true, whose words we speak, whose praises we sing. It's okay. We

Re: [TruthTalk] Just for John

2004-03-12 Thread Chris Barr
\o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! The difference, here as I see it, is this: In Mormon thought and teaching, all agree that the church's position on blacks was God ordained. Well, John, you need some new glasses. It was ol' racist, lecherous Brigham that

Re: [TruthTalk] Uh, DRUM ROLL please ...

2004-03-12 Thread Chris Barr
\o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! - Original Message - From: "David Miller" Sent: 03/12/2004 11:46 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Uh, DRUM ROLL please ... Chris wrote: Here it is ... http://www.unitedisrael.org/loslunas.html Did anyone notice

Re: [TruthTalk] Comments on Luke 2.52

2004-03-12 Thread Wm. Taylor
"I would not teach this in a class or pulpit, ..." -- John That's probably a good idea. Let's work on through this together, but let's do it deliberately. I admire your wonderings, by the way. You are thinking about this stuff; you are inquisitive. You and Terry will strike up a nice cord.

Re: [TruthTalk] The value of history

2004-03-12 Thread Wm. Taylor
David, you have a great gift of describing things in easy language. Great insight too. I hope people are not put off by this. Truth has a way of, well, upsetting people. We need to know this nevertheless. Thanks for coming to my defense. I pray only that I do not fail you. Bill - Original