From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated
3/26/2004 8:54:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt says
What does jt say? I don't
see anything in this space.
You recently posted an email that addressed both BillT and
myself.
I think this is what Izzy was talking
Bill,
My fellowship is with God's Word and those who love Him
and tremble at His Word. I have no frame of reference for Polyani, Newbegin,
andthe psychiatrists/psychologists along with themountains
ofreligious folk wholived in times past. The world has no wisdom
that is worth anything so
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
jt wrote: Our faith should not
rest in Church history. Why do you say that
God's grace and the blood of the lamb are the
answer to all the mess. Do you think that
God will validate all of the things you
mention above anyway?
God's grace and the continual flow of he
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Furthermore, Judy, if I am so difficult to
understand, why aren't you being
a little more cautious about jumping in the middle
of conversations I am having
with someone else? Why not stay away from those
conversations? You obviously
know there is a
1 JN 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
When the spirits say different things there is some lying going on.
Proverbs 27 A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple
Great wonderful bravo!
You guys fawn over one apostate after another.
James 2 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Great, well said, wonderful, bravo. Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Finance Tax Center -
Get over it John
Do you want Judy to be as wishy washy as some on this list that still have not found the truth?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/26/2004 8:54:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt says You recently posted an email that addressed both BillT and
Judy, if you will go back to yesterday's posts, you
will find that yesterday was the first time since coming to this list
thatwe were actually getting along with each other. I thought we had
actually begun to get beyond whatever it was that had been putting me on one
side of conversations
Kevin, Past, Kevin. Remember to look for the
context. I'm being sarcastic here. Get it?
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 6:20
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI
Great wonderful bravo!
You
Not faithful to: religion, party, cause. Is this
your meaning?
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 27, 2004 08:20
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI
Great wonderful bravo!
You guys fawn over one apostate after another.
No syntax contains its own semantics. Without
overlapping meaning no "meaningful" communication takes place.
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From:
Wm. Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 27, 2004 08:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in our
unconscious
Judy, if
And I am talking about your love for one heretic after another.
You still have not produced one shred of evidence that the men their thoughts thatyou idolizeare Christians.
Except that Polyani attended church."Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin, Past, Kevin. Remember to look for the
Well I would hope that you could figure out God's cause and get behind it.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not faithful to: religion, party, cause. Is this your meaning?
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From: Kevin Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 27, 2004 08:20
Subject: Re:
Drop it Kevin. Unless Iam confused about Who
you are,I don't need to. Please stop trying to cause trouble.
Bill
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 6:30
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI
And I
This is what is wrong with the professing Church and
has been for generations; smart men (after the flesh)
have taken over. God has not made it complicated. If little children can understand then so can we. The reason noone can
understand what you say Bill is because your mind is
full of
John, What is your sons specialty? Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:59
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual
Academics
In a message dated 3/26/2004 6:18:38 AM Pacific
G, I know Pollyanna better than I know
Polanyi. And you are righttheology really doesnt
interest me. However, Im very interested in Jesus and His Word. Izzy
PS Its my brother who builds the
bombs, and my son who flies the jet fightersnot me.:-) Been to any anti-war demonstrations
lately?
Once again, Judy, I would appreciate it if
you would stop interjecting yourself into
conversations I am having with other people. You are rudely
interrupting at the party again. Surely you understand English, so please honor
my request. Thank you again. Izzy
From:
[EMAIL
jt: I was not addressing you Izzy - this time you are
interjecting yourself
into a response I wrote to Blaine andpartof
your post was needful for
clarification. I'm not
angry with you so the animosity is one sided. I'm
not being rude or mean but it isgood for one
to practice what they
\o/ !HALALUYah! \o/
Sabbath Greetings in the Matchless NameofYahShua!!
Don't look now, but, EVERYONE on TT is going to hell (except for me) UNLESS
the Saviour returns before they die since hell is the grave.
Psst II:
As for where hell will end up for those not granted life eternal?
John Smithson writes:Izzy -- people like judyt mean
well. She is doing the best she can do with her
existing assumptions, education, limitations
(we all have them) and the like. Her approach is as valuable as Bill's or
Miller's or whoever. When she educates, the value is obvious. When she
Judy,
Since you are slandering me publicly, I must state I have NO IDEA what issue
you are referring to. If there is something you are feeling guilty about
from the past, please be assured that I dont even remember
it. I would appreciate it if you would make your disparaging remarks
about
It's not what you say but what you mean when you say it that I, for one,
find disagreeable.Do you understand the distinction between syntax and
semantics? Lance.-
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 27, 2004 08:41
Subject: [TruthTalk] Re: Saying vs
Dear
TruthTalkers,
I
suggest we spend the rest of this day praying for TruthTalk, and doing
spiritual warfare against demonic spirits being sent to cause contention,
strife, rudeness and accusations. There is something happening here to
try to take our eyes off of Jesus Christ and His
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's not what you say but what you mean when you say it
that I, for one, find disagreeable. Do you understand the
distinction between syntax and semantics? Lance.-
jt: You have no ideawhat I mean when I say things Lance.
If you did then you would not
For 16 years I've engaged Christians in
conversation in our bookstore. Sadly, Izzy many sound just like TT. They'll
"fight" at the drop of the proverbial hat. You name it and, they'll tell you
what the correct understanding of Scripture is on "it". I wrote in an
earlier post something like:
When your meaning is not apprehended no genuine
communication takes place.Citing scripture even when both persons are
Christians, is no guarantee of a "meaningful" exchange of truth. Neither need be
described as dumb, intractible, malicious etc. Examples of this abound on TT.
Lance
From:
In a message dated 3/27/2004 4:36:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not without repentance which means the sinner must consciously repent of and turn
from their sin.
What happens to the fellow who is not aware of his sin? The flow of the blood doesn't work until he, the
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 27, 2004 11:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in our
unconscious
In a
message dated 3/27/2004 4:36:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 3/27/2004 5:04:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: Where would you come up with an idea like that? You can not be Mormon/Christian
any more than you can be Jew/Christian.
Regarding the Jew/Christian thing: read Acts 21. More than that -- virtually all
In a message dated 3/27/2004 5:59:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John, What is your sons specialty? Izzy
Right now he is hinking ER
J
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated
3/27/2004 4:36:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not without repentance which means the sinner
must consciously repent of and turn from their sin.
john: What happens to the fellow who is not aware of his sin?
jt: The
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sequence = forgiveness then repentance
jt: Can we agree that Jesus came toforgive?
So why was John the Baptist sent to prepare the way for him?
What was the message of John the Baptist?
I rest my case... judyt
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 27, 2004 11:43
Subject: [TruthTalk] Re: Sequence:
Forgiveness then repentance
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sequence = forgiveness then repentance
jt: Can we agree
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When your meaning is not apprehended no genuine
communication takes
place.Citing scripture even when both persons
are Christians, is no
guarantee of a "meaningful" exchange of truth.
jt: Wouldn't you say it makes more
sense for us to gather around
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 27, 2004 11:43
Subject: [TruthTalk] Re: Sequence:
Forgiveness then repentance
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sequence = forgiveness then repentance
jt: Can we agree
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unconditional: God's Love God's forgiveness
jt: If the above is so then why did Jesus tell those he healed to "Go
and sin no more lest a worse thing come upon you?" and why is the
professing Church dressed in the curse and no different from the
world in
His recurring question was "did you see what I did
there"? This was when he took something and turned it on its head thus
making convoluted that which was essentially clear prior to his doing his
"thing". Not only did I see what you did there, Judy, but anyone capable of
reading also saw.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated
3/27/2004 5:04:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: Where would you come up with an idea like
that? You can not be Mormon/Christian
any more than you can be Jew/Christian.
john: Regarding the Jew/Christian
thing: read Acts
In a message dated 3/27/2004 8:40:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wow. There are so many things we disagree on. Pick ONE of the following and stay with it, judy. I will respond to all your commits -- which I never do. But to illustrate just how far apart we are, here I
In a message dated 3/27/2004 5:23:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Get over it John
Be nice, Kevin. I am.
John, a brother in Christ
In a message dated 3/27/2004 4:35:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You would have known this if you would have read the same quote that John was referencing.
Amen
John
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
His recurring question was "did you see what I did
there"?
This was when he took something and turned it on
its head thus making
convoluted that which was essentially clear prior
to his doing his "thing".
jt: Are you describing sleight
of hand? I'm
I think you're speaking straight from the heart.
Like I said the comic relief you provide is probably unintended.
Lance
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 27, 2004 12:41
Subject: [TruthTalk] Re: Billy Crystal in
Mr
In a message dated 3/27/2004 7:42:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Whatever John 17 is about it ain't about this. Lance
Exactly. But there is unity among many on this list. Focus on that.
John
In a message dated 3/27/2004 7:14:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear TruthTalkers,
I suggest we spend the rest of this day praying for TruthTalk, and doing spiritual warfare against demonic spirits being sent to cause contention, strife, rudeness and accusations.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John: Wow. There are so many
things we disagree on.
Pick ONE of the following and stay
with it, judy. I will respond to all your
commits -- which I
never do. But to illustrate just how far apart we are,
here I go. My current
remarks are in caps. John
From: [EMAIL
No! Judy. This is what John wrote
Where does I.Q. fit into your scheme of things.Some people just do not have the
smarts to understand some things but can grasp others.
john: Where does I.Q. fit into your scheme of
things.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
.. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
It occurred to me today during an off line conversation that though
we are almost all brothers and sisters in Christ, we at the same time
are strangers. I know a little more about some of you who have been on
TT longer, and I know David Miller from spending part of a weekend in
his company,
Truth Talk thou art loosed![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/27/2004 7:14:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear TruthTalkers, I suggest we spend the rest of this day praying for TruthTalk, and doing spiritual warfare against demonic spirits being sent to cause
What is the problem?
Judy knows what she believes and believes it firmly.
Does that bother you?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/27/2004 5:23:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Get over it John Be nice, Kevin. I am. John, a brother in Christ Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo!
These guys are not even Christians, why pant after every word of thiers?
Wish you guys were so excited about Jesus' words!"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Drop it Kevin. Unless Iam confused about Who you are,I don't need to. Please stop trying to cause trouble.
Bill
- Original
Recommend: The Holy BibleLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Recommended: Faith Thinking:The Dynamics of Christian Theology-Trevor Hart-IVP 1995; That's Not What I Meant-Deborah Tannen, You Just Don't Understand-Deborah Tannen. For discussion: "Each living person draws upon two quite
Finding cement being used in a REAL civilization,is as much a proof as finding a horse in some other civilization.
Find ONE city, one coin, one person or event "NAMED" in the BoM.Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: [EMAIL
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves," (Matthew 7:15).
The following is a interview with M Scott Peck:
"Door: It is interesting that you describe your writing as a calling. Is this a calling from God?
"Peck: I hesitate using the
But they consider you (LDS) the dead trunk that has departed from the faith. They all say they have the True Restored Gospel.
Who is right? The caucaphony from all these splinter groups makes it so hard to tell which divergant path is the true restoration.Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is what happens to the Lost. Blind follow Blind both fall in the ditch. Peck is on the Broadway. Hope you get on the narrow way.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So well put, Bill. You have a gift for that. I think your theological instinct is what I mean by direct revelation
Who kept the "Restored faith"?
The RLDS proved in a court of law that the LDS church had departed from the faith and on account of this the first temple in Kirtland was given to th RLDS (now called Community of Christ)Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Who's next? Terry
My family just spent the evening with other brethren
singing praises to God.
As far as mind games and endless argumentation, it never
ends. I can easily get involved and say something if I feelled to do
so. I love to enjoy the creation also.
But, what is most important
Lance, below:
Bill cited a couple of passages from
another book I'd commend along with him (I sell books)
Now we're actually gettin' to the bottom of
this mess, Layman; you guys don't (plan or haveto) read any of
thisPollyanna drivel you/'ve post/ed(!)--that Izzy in ignorance
irrationally
Cowboy
Goes
To Church!
One Sunday morning an old cowboy entered a church just before services
were to
begin.
Although the old man and his clothes were spotlessly clean, he wore
jeans, a
denim shirt and boots that were very worn
and
ragged. In his hand he carried a worn out old hat and an
I am tentatively planning on doing a chat session via PalTalk for
TruthTalk on Thursday night (April 1) at 9:00 pm Eastern Time. This
would be a time to exchange in real time some of the topics that we have
been discussing. To participate, you need to download and install
PalTalk software from
Terry wrote:
I picture the more educated among us as standing
around in a gown and miter board with an armload
of books, maybe some horn rimmed glasses thrown
in.
Uh, what's a miter board?
Terry wrote:
... what do you find awesome about your Lord?
I find it awesome that the Lord is
I think he meant mortarboard...graduation cap.
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:59:50 -0500
Terry wrote:
I picture the more educated among us as standing
around in a
Blaine: The stars fortell, but
do not compel. God Knows us, and what choices we will make, but we need to
make them nevertheless, and thus prove all things, in order that God may alone
be glorified. There is no evil in reading the stars, but only evil in
thinking they compel us. We are
Why scary? B
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From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:58
PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI
Very scary,
Blaine. Iz
Blaine: This is very
interesting Izzy. I have had similar
David Miller wrote:
Perry wrote:
"If you cannot find even one proven fact in the BoM
that is not from the Bible, then my assertion about
it's fictional nature stands."
That is interesting about the barley, but it
hardly consitutes a proof. There is no linkage
between the
Blaine: Who is John Smithson? He sure
seems to be on top of it.
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From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 6:58
AM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual
Academics
John, What is your
sons specialty?
Glad you are back! I was beginning to worry
you had hung up on us. Blaine
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 11:16
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaines Lost
sheep of america
David Miller wrote:
Perry wrote:
As I said before, Judy often shows more true
Christian spirit than most. She at least tries, huh? I like Judy,
even though I have to admit she is, as Izzy said, "contentious!!"
LOL
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March
judyt writes:
Do you understand the new covenant promise
in Jeremiah 31:34 (and other places) that becomes activated by faith
in Christ?
No. What "activated" the New Covenant was the blood of Christ. Perhaps you should read Jeremiah 31:31-34. The New is totally different from the Old. Sins
In a message dated 3/27/2004 5:32:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
concentrate for the same length of time on revealing ourselves to others in an effort to get to know one another more intimately, like brothers and sisters are supposed to. Let's start with something easy,
In a message dated 3/27/2004 5:46:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Does that bother you?
Come on Kevin. You are not being nice.
John
Judy,
This is the last time I
am writing back to you. I have no recollection of you
sending me an email offline in December. Sorry if that bothers you. I did look
at the last statement I emailed to you on 12/22/03 before I left TT which was: Since you dont seem to be happy unless I am
Lance,
Thanks for the comments. I agree completely, sadly enough. I
have no hope of unity either. Sinfulness/selfishness/flesh is a fact of life on
earth. We can only try to keep our eyes on our own failings, and try to avoid
toxic relationships that drag us down. I guess thats why I
John, Is he doing a residency in trauma
care? How many years? I cant imagine what he is enduring to do his research
right now. Are you able to keep in touch with him there? Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday,
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