Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy

2006-02-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, sounds like you'er still a little sore for getting booted off of TT for continuing a banned topic. Old news...move on. I also think your concept of free speech is a little twisted. Free speech laws apply in a public forum, but TT is not a public forum. It is a private discussion group. The

RE: [TruthTalk] TO ALL TTS

2006-01-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
other features. You should be able to change this message if you like...try it. Perry From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] TO ALL TT"S Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:39:03 -0500

Re: [TruthTalk] TO ALL TTS

2006-01-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, you are right. The example I recall was putting fruit in a jar with monkeys. Once they grabbed the fruit, they could not get the fruit and theirhand out of the jar, and refused to let go. I was playing a bit with Dean. Perry From:"David Miller" [EMAIL

[TruthTalk] ** Moderator Comment **

2006-01-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
You TT'rs are posting at a much faster rate than I can follow with my limited time during the week to moderate. So, please help me out...if you see what you believe is an ad hominem, even if it does not involve you, feel free to forward the email to me privately. I will follow up as I best I

RE: [TruthTalk] TO ALL TTS

2006-01-08 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dean, I was wondering. How do you put something in a hole that is larger than the hole? From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] TO ALL TTS Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:39:35 -0500 In the Mountains of Western

[TruthTalk] ** moderator comment **

2006-01-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... cult-apostles like DavidM... Gary, your calling DM a cult-apostle is a direct attack on him. He does not claim to be an apostle, and adding cult to that erroneous label makes it an ad-hominem reference. I encourage you to retract that ad-hominem reference and

RE: [TruthTalk] TIME WELL WASTED - Slogan of the comedy channel

2006-01-04 Thread Charles Perry Locke
In your opinion, is it also possible to espouse/articulate a false jesus, and experience a false jesus? From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] TIME WELL WASTED - Slogan of the comedy channel Date: Wed, 4

Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

2006-01-04 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Perry wrote: Dave, in your temple ceremony, who does it depict Satan paying to preach his message? Then Dean wrote: A Baptist Preacher/Pastor as JD is. Then John wrote: Looking for that explanation, Dean. Looked like an insult to me a really agressive one, at that. Now, Perry

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I have much more respect for Protestants than you will ever imagine, and as such I certainly have more respect for Protestants than I do for those who misquote me. Charles Perry Locke wrote: John, there is a higher level division amongst the mormons.../*they call everyone who

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, do you consider protestants to be pagans? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:06:52 EST No doubt about it, those ancient groups were doing bad stuff,

[TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you?

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, will you tell us the mormon interpretation (or, at the very least, your interpretation) of the following verse? Exactly what is Paul trying to say here? 1 cor 9:14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
why you made it, and what you meant by it. I think it is pretty clear...my statement merely sunmmarizes the scriptures I cited. So, after you have taken the time to read the references in context, if you then do not agree, please let me know where we differ. Perry Charles Perry Locke wrote

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
. Charles Perry Locke wrote: /*Is it that you know Paul preached something that is not in the Bible? */ DAVEH: Yes, I do think so. Dave, *what did Paul preach that is not in the Bible? I will need Biblical references*, as in *book, chapter, and verse of course.* :-) Perry

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does this verse mean to you?

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
as it was in Jesus' time. We do not have record of our Lord performing baptisms, yet he set the example by being baptized himself. Why would we expect Paul (or latter-day apostles) to be any different? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, *will you tell us the mormon interpretation (or, at the very least

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, Paul says it best: 1 Cor 1:22-25; 2:1-2; 15:12-18. After saying many times that he would be raised on the third day, had He not been, He would have been proven a false prophet. All that He taught would have been nullified. There would be no gospel (1 Cor 15:12-18). After all, isn't

Re: [TruthTalk] The cross of Christ

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I used to be bothered by the use of CE instead of AD until I realized that it can also mean Christian Era. However, I still prefer and use AD. Wikipedia: Common Era, Current Era, or Christian Era (this year is 2006 CE). Merriam-Webster: chemical engineer, civil engineer, Christian Era --

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David wrote: Perry wrote: David, Paul says it best: 1 Cor 1:22-25; 2:1-2; 15:12-18. Your first two passages speak of him CRUCIFIED and not a word about his resurrection. In Paul's mention of the crucifixion, the resurrection was implicit. Many were crucified, why would Jesus' be any

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, I see your point...I, too, beleive that the cross is central, but still, without the resurrection the gospel would have been meaningless. Preaching would have been in vain...faith would have been in vain. From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To:

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
by the government, or guards or anybody could overrule the fact that they had seen and talked to the Risen Christ. I just don't think the empty sepulcherwhich we know meant he had risen.had (or would have had) nearly the same effect as his personal appearance. Charles Perry Locke wrote

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I meant to address the response below to Dave. From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:39:27 -0800 David, I will consider this as agreement. I

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
references, as in book, chapter, and verse of course*/ DAVEH: Were you too lazy to look it up? Mk 16:16 FWIWthis Bible browser works very well... http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/kjv/ Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, * Your diatribe below is full of conjecture and assumptions

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does this verse mean to you?

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
effort make it any easier to comprehend, Perry? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, you response does not appear to have anything at all to do with the question. *Do you mind giving it a second try? * will you tell us the mormon interpretation (or, at the very least, your interpretation

Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
You tell us, John. How many times have you heard that from the right wingers? Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org, TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:13:32 +

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, there is a higher level division amongst the mormons...they call everyone who is not a mormon a gentile. Protestants are just one detestable group of pagans in the group of gentiles. Doesn't it seem interesting that DaveH finds such intrique with a pagan group like the protestants.

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
statement of the use of the word gentile. do you know of any websites , by Mormons , that give an outline of the Church suitable for comparison of the preApostate First Church? jd -- Original message -- From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] John

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
First Church? jd -- Original message -- From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] John, there is a higher level division amongst the mormons...they call everyone who is not a mormon a gentile. Protestants are just one detestable group of pagans in the group

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
of the preApostate First Church? jd -- Original message -- From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] John, there is a higher level division amongst the mormons...they call everyone who is not a mormon a gentile. Protestants are just one detestable group of pagans in the group

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
-- From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] John, there is a higher level division amongst the mormons...they call everyone who is not a mormon a gentile. Protestants are just one detestable group of pagans in the group of gentiles. Doesn't it seem interesting that DaveH finds such intrique

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] *The operative point in our discussion is not that Christians would or would not welcome new revelation...* DAVEH: To me, it is a very pertinent point. You made the claim, and from my experience it is not a claim I've heard any Christians previously make.

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
that is not in the Bible? I am missing your point, Dave...can you be a bit more explicit? Perry Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, I am going to pull a G here and augment my own post... Below is a reference to a page that begins to discuss some of the tests of canonicity. For a fuller discussion

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*The gospel didn't even have POWER until he was rose from the dead. */ DAVEH: Wow! I'd never heard that before, Perry. Is that something you just made up, or is that commonly believed by many Christians? Dave, I take it you do not believe that statement,

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
/*Is it that you know Paul preached something that is not in the Bible? */ DAVEH: Yes, I do think so. Dave, what did Paul preach that is not in the Bible? I will need Biblical references, as in book, chapter, and verse of course. :-) Perry -- Let your speech be always with

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, It is not additional revelation that we object to, per se, and many (if not most) Christians feel that if it is in God's will, additional revelation would be welcome. And to many, additional personal revelation is accepted. Many of us believe that the gospel of Jesus Christ is

[TruthTalk] How old was Mary?

2005-12-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
In an early writing (c. AD 150) called The Proto-Gospel of James, Mary was betrothed at 12, and became pregnant with Jesus at 16. (Lost Scriptures, by Bart D. Ehrman. Oxford University Press, Inc. NY 2003). From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To:

Re: [TruthTalk] How old was Mary?

2005-12-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
, 31 Dec 2005 10:56:53 -0800 DAVEH: Thank you for your straight forward answer on this, Perry. Is there another contrasting source that would suggest the age of 14, as is implied in Izzy's post. Charles Perry Locke wrote: In an early writing (c. AD 150) called The Proto-Gospel of James

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
that Protestantism does not readily welcome more revelation from God. If there are *_many_ * Protestants who believe as you suggestedit should be easy for you to provide evidence, Perry. Otherwise, I can only assume you are grinding your ax against Mormonism. Charles Perry Locke wrote

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
So, Terry, you are running a non-prophet business? From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:34:25 -0600 Dave wrote: DAVEH: As I understand DavidM,

Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

2005-12-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
G, bad is not a verb, so the infinitive form to bad does not work here. :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:08:36 -0700 to bad he didn't pursue that option On

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
/add_to_scripture.html Perry From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:34:43 -0800 Dave, Adding to the word is very dangerous business. If one

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-30 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Lance, you may be right, but please separate the biblical from the speculation in David's post so the rest of us can see it as you do. Perry From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-30 Thread Charles Perry Locke
, 30 Dec 2005 13:36:30 -0500 I'd rather David did it, Perry. He knows which is which. One wearies of his pompous treatment of his 'subjects' on TT. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 30, 2005 13:23 Subject: Re

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-30 Thread Charles Perry Locke
. Remember, I watched the 'extended version' of the conversation between yourself and the 'annointed one' on Scripture. He simply cannot acknowledge wrongheadedness. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 30, 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-30 Thread Charles Perry Locke
' if it makes you feel better, I'm not even a Mormon, Perry. Why be such a nuisance? Move on! David is, IMO, on some occasions, a pompous ass. Should you find him to be otherwise then, good for you! - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk

[TruthTalk] How to leave TT (was: Unsubscribe please)

2005-12-30 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Terry, Maybe you are speaking from experience, but I believe that cold turkey is the way to go. You have to cut and run and not look back. Sure, there will be withdrawals. The habit of sitting down to check your email and immediately looking for TT posts will be difficult to break. But with a

Re: [TruthTalk] Merry Christmas!

2005-12-27 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Terry, Well said. The wages of sin is death, and since Jesus paid the price for our sins, it is his death that paid that price...not the stress He felt in Gethsemene, as great as it was. If that were so, the billions of animals that have been sacrificed by the Jews in in ages past for thier

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-26 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Gary, your statement seems to imply that you believe that killing in combat is murder. Is that you belief? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:03:27 -0700 real

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-26 Thread Charles Perry Locke
husband killed anyone? How 'bout your relative, the pilot? Sounds like merit badge of manhood for ya. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 26, 2005 13:12 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people Gary, your

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-26 Thread Charles Perry Locke
, was for the one you responded to namely, Iz. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 26, 2005 13:38 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people Lance, I don't have a husband...I have a wife, and I do not have

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-26 Thread Charles Perry Locke
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:12:08 -0800 Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gary, your statement seems to imply that you believe that killing in combat is murder. Is that you belief? || -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2005-12-26 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, I beg to differ. I have read two books, side by side, one of the Mormon temple endowment, and one of Freemasonry, and the similarities are unmistakable, from the the clothing and anointing to the secret grips, tokens, and penalties. Add to this the fact that JS was himself a mason

[TruthTalk] Blaine demonstrates mormon god not God of Bible, but merely Egyptian god.

2005-12-24 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine wrote: Ahman A name for God, means, Man of Holiness (see Egyptian name of God, Ammon, or Amon, or Amen--similar?) Blaine, you have just demonstrated that the god of mormonism is NOT the God of the bible: http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/egyptian-mythology.php?deity=AMUN

Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides

2005-12-23 Thread Charles Perry Locke
it to you privately. Perry Peace be with you. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides Comments below: From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides

2005-12-23 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, thanks for reminding me. I intended to reply to those questions, but overlooked them in the post. I have no reason to believe that the 11 had been baptised prior to Jesus' appearance to them. I have not read in scripture that any of them were. Of course, there are different types of

Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides

2005-12-23 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perry wrote: I have no reason to believe that the 11 had been baptised prior to Jesus' appearance to them. John 3:25-26 (25) Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. (26) And they came unto John, and said

Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides

2005-12-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
- From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides David, Regarding your item 2, we might also conclude that Jesus was speaking specifically to the apostles, and that this does

Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides

2005-12-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
that will accompany the eleven as they go out. Peace be with you. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides Well, David, in the short

Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides

2005-12-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know if you understand what I am saying, but if you believe that the signs also apply to people other than these eleven, why try and make the argument that this particular text does not? Perhaps if you do read it this way, you would be arguing

Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides

2005-12-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David wrote: Jesus is speaking to the eleven. We agree on this. Verses 16-18 use pronouns such as he, they, and them. All of these pronouns in these verses refer to the creatures to whom they preach. We know this because the context of his message to the eleven is preaching the gospel to

Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides

2005-12-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Comments below: From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perry wrote: I beleive the verse about preaching to all creatures to be parenthetical to the rest of the passage, telling the apostles their commission, but not changing the subject of his address, namely those whom he had just

Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides

2005-12-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, Regarding your item 2, we might also conclude that Jesus was speaking specifically to the apostles, and that this does not apply to all believers. The key is to identify the antecedent of He in verse 16, which I believe to exclusively be the apostles. Perry David wrote: 2. Mark

RE: [TruthTalk] Who decides

2005-12-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
to the apostles, too? izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:54 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides cd: I agree Perry. [Original Message] From: Charles Perry Locke

RE: [TruthTalk] Who decides

2005-12-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
? That does not go for anyone since the apostles? iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:24 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Who decides I stated that I do in my

[TruthTalk] Who believes in God?

2005-12-20 Thread Charles Perry Locke
An interesting article forwarded to me by a friend: http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/package.jsp?name=fte/notbelieveingod/notbelieveingodfloc=wn-nt -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6)

RE: [TruthTalk] And Gary, and John, and Bill and, on occasion(s), Linda and Davi

2005-12-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
For what is is worth, huzzah is an old english word that has become hurrah today. I first heard it at a renaissance festival. I think you mean Hoo-ha, which is the term Pacino used in Scent of a Woman. From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To:

Re: [TruthTalk] sweat

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
most likely). Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] sweat Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:40:45 -0700 CPL, what's your perspective on (just) this question? On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:48:32 -0800 Charles Perry Locke

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Gary wrote, CPL, Are [Bible] readers *who believe that JC taught that encouraging the baptism of the HS for the already converted 'sums up the Law and Prophets'* Christian/s? [asterisks by CPL] Depends. Were these Bible readers Christians to begin with? I don't think that having that

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Not really. But, is also depends on the nature of the error. Everyone has error in their theology, in my opinion. The question in my mind is how much error is too much error? How far can one get from the true meaning of the gospel message before they are outside of Christianity. While I cannot

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Gary, I do not classify who is a Christian and who is not along denominational lines. Christians are those who are members of the body of Christ. You can tell when one of them becomes a Christian...at the same time they become an ex-them. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
If they were, they would be ex-them. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:20:48 -0700 ..if so, (we know they ain't classic Protestants, but

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I qualified that in a previous post. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:36:23 -0700 ..mercy me (the same question again,Bro--but did you

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
If you are still addressing me, Gary, it is absolutely better to read it. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:36:33 -0700 ..is it

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Gary, While I prefer the KJV, I am not a KJV only advocate and believe that the crimson thread of salvation is evident in all of the popular translations, and all can lead one to salvation. However, when one begins to study the Bible more deeply, I believe that comparing several

RE: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Lance, and all, I removed Dave from the list entirely until we could resolve the issues at hand off-line. I suspect he will be returning soon. Perry the Moderator From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE ...

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, if you and a fellow mormon disagreed on the meaning of a verse, you would go to your Bishop, he would tell you what it means, and regardless of the answer, you both would acceot that, am I right? If not, how would you resolve it? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:

Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE ...

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
What if you are wrong? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE ... Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:06:25 EST Most Bishops have so much to do that they have

Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **

2005-12-17 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, why do you cintinue to comment on a thread that has been banned? No more posts on this topic, please. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment ** Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:12:50

Re: [TruthTalk] sweat

2005-12-17 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, I honestly believe you are baiting Christians on TT, or else you truly have not read the Bible. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] sweat Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:36:58 EST BLOOD is the key word, I

Re: ***Moderator Comment** Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, please don't stir up the pot. You contribute nothing with your comments. Also, you say below, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:, but you have not included anything I wrote! You must have removed the part I wrote without removing the attribution. I doubt it was intentional, but please be

Re: [TruthTalk] Offence given offence taken - MORMONS??

2005-12-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, Please try to separate posts I make that are from my own personal viewpoint, and statements I make as moderator. You seem to want to mix the two. If you want to claim that as the moderator I am biased, then please refer only to items I post as the moderator. Perry From: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] MORMONS ON TT

2005-12-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, if you find unbecoming behavior when I have been responding as the moderator, point it out. However, when not posting as a moderator, I reserve the right to engage in what Lance might consider conduct unbecoming (the same rights as any other TT'r). If you think that the moderator

[TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **

2005-12-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Kevin, Blaine this is a banned thread...please move on. From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment ** Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:53:48 -0800 (PST) Can you print the entire context,

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, Try reading through the NT and replace every occurrence of the word cross with star. The text becomes meaningless. The cross is a MAJOR part of the Chrsitian landscape, directly from scripture. It has meaning and value beyond merely an instrument of death, and is the VERY symbol of

***Moderator Comment** Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John and Kevin, stop the name calling. Go private if you wish to continue. From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:05:32 -0800 (PST) if you still have that one tooth.

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil

2005-12-14 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, please don't us ad-hominem arguments or name calling on TT. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:47:53 EST I don't doubt

RE: [TruthTalk] Ursa Major and the North Star

2005-12-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, All constellations, indeed, all stars in the northern hemisphere appear to rotate around the north star. It truly is the rotation of the earth that gives that apparent rotation of the stars. Why is the Ursa Major being singled out? Check out this photo...

Re: [TruthTalk] Almost(s) Anti(s)

2005-12-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, and others, this topic has been banned, so please communicate privately on it. From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Almost(s) Anti(s) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:02:44 -0800 *Who specifically,

[TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **

2005-12-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
! If not, will we then have another example of hypocritical Christianity in TT? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. *If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives

Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **

2005-12-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
the Christian hypocrisy found here. Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, * Please try to /refrain /from making sexual references, especially /false accuastions/.* This is not the forum for that? I am sure there are many discussion forums about sex if that type of discussion interests you

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments

2005-12-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Christianity in TT? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **

2005-12-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
to be suppressed when it comes to recognizing the Christian hypocrisy found here. Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, Please try to refrain from making sexual references, especially false accuastions. This is not the forum for that? I am sure there are many discussion forums about sex if that type

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
check out these crosses: http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/index.html From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:39:55 EST Blainerb: There are quite a few cross songs in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Congressional Medal of Honor--inverted pentagram

2005-12-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, you seem to be missing a fine point here. Christians do not use crosses as a symbol of Jesus, like mormons do with stars and planets. The cross, to the Christian, is a reminder of the tremendous price that Jesus paid for our sins. BIG difference. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Again, Blaine, I point out that the cross is not seen or used as a symbol for jesus. Do you understand that? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:22:51 EST In a message dated

Re: [TruthTalk] PERRY DIRECTLY ACKNOWLEDGES ATTACKING ON THE FORUM HE MODERATES

2005-12-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
thinking of you as a hypocritical Christian? :-) Charles Perry Locke wrote: I did and I do. But, with your aging selective memory, you probably would not recall that :-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] PERRY DIRECTLY ACKNOWLEDGES ATTACKING ON THE FORUM HE MODERATES Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:12:56

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
no claim to Biblical validity? Biblical references would be appreciated. Charles Perry Locke wrote: I hope you don't mind me intruding on your intrusion. *I would expect Satan to teach his people to shun the cross...it is the very instrument of his defeat.* Besides, Christ himself used

Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off...

2005-12-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

2005-12-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
carry lots of material that I'd not recommend to everyone. Who wouldn't? - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 11, 2005 00:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE Lance, post a link to your bookstore so we

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

2005-12-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
is an anti-thingy? From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:44:47 -0500 Charles Perry Locke!! I KNEW what you were asking! Let go this anti-thingy Charles

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

2005-12-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
? As to the 'anti-thingy', Charles: I weary, even though I must say mea culpa, (1 Cor 2) of you, Dean, Kevin, Judy etc. always writing in the 'attack mode'. PS:I don't have a link. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent

RE: [TruthTalk] PERRY DIRECTLY ACKNOWLEDGES ATTACKING ON THE FORUM HE MODERATES

2005-12-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congrats, Lance, I KNEW YOU COULD DO IT! You ansered my question in 1 post, despite all Thanks for KISS, Perry. Take care lest Dean show up a YOUR door. Dean probably understands what KISS means, and I do not think I have anything to worry about. It

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