David Miller wrote:
Belief in Jesus Christ means a trust and confidence in him.
DAVEH wrote:
I would think belief is more than that. To me it means
to follow in his footstepsto do his will and keep
his commandments. Do you associate belief with
keeping his commandments?
Yes. When you
David Miller wrote:
David Miller wrote:
Please note that baptism might still be considered useful
and a vehicle whereby people come into a saving knowledge
of Jesus Christ, but we do not say that God rejects all those
who have not been baptized, because the evidence is clear
that
DaveH, what's your problem
with DavidMs 'argument'?
(Marlin, how do you like the art work? Is it
gettin' Izzy any dizzier?)
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 08:45:01
-0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:[DavidM:]
If you accept my previous
arguments about how a
person must first be
saved,
DAVEH: What's your problem with my rebuttal, g?!?!?!?!
:-)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DaveH, what's your
problem with DavidMs 'argument'? (Marlin,
how do you like the art work? Is it gettin' Izzy any dizzier?)
On
Thu, 26 Dec 2002 08:45:01 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
[DavidM:]>If you
David Miller wrote:
David Miller wrote:
A person is saved from sin when they believe upon Jesus Christ.
DAVEH:
I assume you are saying a person can still sin and still
believe in JC at the same time?
Belief in Jesus Christ means a trust and confidence in him.
DAVEH: I would
Ha Ha Blainer, cut tail and ran when DavidM challenged him. Also, to say the below without responding to Davidm's explanation is a red flag to me. He explained clearly.
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A moron can read that passage and understand it. I have had 2 different people read it (I made no
David Miller wrote:
DAVEH:
> As I see it, if something is missing (viz., the doctrinal explanation
> whether or not baptism of infants is necessary) and different sects
> create their own man made doctrine to make up for that 'inadequacy',
> then it is the missing stuff that allows Satan to
WRONG. I just read your BoM. You are changing the BoM. I have noticed how Mormons deny their doctrines and have changed their doctrines through the years. Mormons sure used to be anti-Negro.
DAVEH: Again..Let's get this straight, DavidM. It was YOU and Glenn who have inferred that it is the
Blainer) I only follow JS because he was a true minister and disciple of
Christ. Do you mean to tell me you never listen to anything or follow
anything that comes from one of your ministers?
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:50:18 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 10/6/2002 11:28:41
In a message dated 10/8/2002 4:39:14 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blainer) I only follow JS because he was a true minister and disciple of
Christ. Do you mean to tell me you never listen to anything or follow
anything that comes from one of your ministers?
I tend to
Blainer)I have first dubs on any big rewards, but would insist on
sharing anyway. LOL
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 06:54:44 -0700 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had a Mormon tell me that the more he was persecuted from
Christians
the more rewards he had in
Blainer) The Bible in its present form is exactly as God wanted it? Do
you therefore believe free will operates on those who have nothing to do
with the bible, but not with those who have control of the Bible? I
know a man who used to throw the bible up in the air and shoot it with a
large
In a message dated 10/6/2002 11:28:41 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
? Do
you therefore believe free will operates on those who have nothing to do
with the bible, but not with those who have control of the Bible?
Free will is the ability of a human to make a choice on
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
More
speculation instead of revelation. If the Lord commanded it, and
the Bible prohibits it in elders,
DAVEH: "prohibits
it in elders"? As I pointed out the logic,
it prohibits NO WIFE..at least for bishops!
then
the "Lord" that commanded it cannot be Jehovah God.
Yes, but it is not the Bible's fault. I gave you reasons a long time ago why this is. You are brainwashed against the Bible which is necessary to continue in Mormonism. Mormonism and the Bible to not mix.
DAVEH: Don't you think though, that there are a lot of sincere people who still believe in
Glenn - I wonder because of what you believe about Jesus. This is the bottom line. If you are wrong on Jesus, you are outside of God. If you are trusting in Jesus plus Mormonism then that is wrong. If you are trusting in works for salvation then that is wrong because salvation is not of works,
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Glenn
- I wonder because of what you believe about Jesus. This is the bottom
line. If you are wrong on Jesus, you are outside of God. If you are
trusting in Jesus plus Mormonism then that is wrong. If you are trusting
in works for salvation then that is wrong because
David Miller wrote:
No matter how plain the Bible might appear to be about matters,
men can twist it to their own destruction if they want to.
DAVEH:
I agree. To me it seems logical that the more Scripture we
have, the less likely that will be. I don't quite understand why
Bible only
David Miller wrote:
DAVEH:
You still fail to understand what I've been trying to
convey to you. The divisions of the Mormon realm
do not accept each other. Each believes the others
are in error, as opposed to Protestant factions that
accept each other.
I don't think you have a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
EVERYTHING
YOU ARE SAYING HERE CAN BE SAID WITHIN A DENOMINATION OF CHRISTIANITY.
THIS IS UTTER FOLLEY.,
DAVEH: I see, Glenn.you are still confused despite my explanation.
I'm sorry, but I just don't know how to make it simple enough that you
will understand.
Glenn - You didn't take the whole sentence. Notice the last line which I underlined for your convenience. Anyone who would continue to make the claim Mormonism is not divided, after the historical evidence is presented, then they are either liars or brainwashed. I do not believe you to be a liar,
Glenn - What is not in the Bible is because God did not want it in the Bible.
I will base my eternal security on inspiration not speculation.
I will not base my salvation on speculation of a child molester.
DAVEH: Again, it is what is not in the Bible (or any Scripture, for that matter) that
Glenn - I think you missed the point. The point is... Mormons claim how simple the BoM is in explaining the Bible. This shows the BoM is not plain and simple like Mormons claim. Frankly, when I read it I found it extremely boring and answering questions I was not asking.
(1 Nephi 13:29)
Phew.
I will accept lack of doctrinal differences on infant baptism, but there are many more in the 136 divisions within Mormonism.
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Wrong.
DAVEH: "Wrong"??? I don't think DavidM pointed out any doctrinal differences between Mormon factions regarding infant baptism, which is
Glenn - No I am not confused about your explanation. Your explanation is not true. You are confused on division within Christianity. If what you say is true about Mormonism, THEN BY YOUR DEFINITION CHRISTIANITY IS NOT DIVIDED EITHER.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING HERE CAN
I have explained to you in the past what Biblical belief is. I guess you don't understand since you wrote below. This makes me wonder (not sure) if you are trully saved. Your nephew said he was not saved. Now he is in New Orleans teaching people how to NOT BE SAVED.
DAVEH: I guess that is what
And certainly THE JESUS PERSPECTIVE!
DAVEH: While I probably wouldn't argue against that point, on the other hand I don't believe that simply being a Protestant dooms them to damnation as some may think I believe! Furthermore, let me say again that my perspective of eternal damnation is
I had a Mormon tell me that the more he was persecuted from Christians the more rewards he had in heaven. Do you belief that?
DAVEH: AnnndI would include you too! Others however have found my "brotherly association" not to be to their liking, so I've tried to avoid being too chummy
Glenn - Not all the time. Jesus ran them out of the temple. I still see "respectfully disagree" as a red flag that means you are wrong and cannot explain it further.
Davel - That is why I often times simply say that I "respectfully disagree" instead of letting the discussion degenerate into a
I beleive in the priesthood of all believers.
DAVEH: Yeah...from our "proper authority" standpoint, it boils down to either the RCC or the LDS. It seems that few others claim a "proper authority", but instead assume a "believers authority".
Then you are divided just like Protestants. Mormon revelation has failed to bring unity.
DAVEH: I suppose we have a particular fondness for factions that believe the BofM as we do, but we do not believe they have the "proper authority" any more than Protestants.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I
had a Mormon tell me that the more he was persecuted from Christians the
more rewards he had in heaven. Do you belief that?
DAVEH: HmmI think not necessarily. But if one person
were to deserve a big reward in heaven for putting up with your haranguing,
who
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I
will accept lack of doctrinal differences on infant baptism, but there
are many more in the 136 divisions within Mormonism.
DAVEH: The point was whether those who believe in the BofM are divided
in their belief about the BofM. Those who are divided from the LDS
Church
You my friend. :-) Blainer tells me off and tells me I am going to the place Divas went too. That is until you being the "be nice" spin. Then he reverses his statement.
So the answer to my question is yes. This is like the Church of Christ. This is a form of brainwashing. It is known as the
Just because (maybe I don't know and I don't think you have studied what the 136 different Mormon divisions believe) Mormonism is not divided over infant baptism does not mean they are not divided over many other matters. David M pointed some of them out.
Again this is a "switch-a-rue" here. NO!
Wrong. BoM has divided many Mormons on many doctrinal issues.
I contend that virtually all BofM factions are not divided on doctrines such as this that have confused traditional "Christian churches" but are explained in detail in the BofM.
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Glenn-
This is why I have no respect for Mormonism. If they would just admit
what is in their "Mormon revelation" then I could just agree or disagree.
BUT BUT BUT they lie about what their "Mormon revelation" says. AND
AND AND this lying
DAVEH: Well Glenn, thank you for
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Wrong.
DAVEH: "Wrong"???
I don't think DavidM pointed out any doctrinal differences between Mormon
factions regarding infant baptism, which is the point I was making below
that you claim is "Wrong".
Mormons
are divided over doctrinal issues as DavidM point out.
[EMAIL
Part 2
David Miller wrote:
David Miller wrote:
according to the Book of Mormon? The problem
IS the Bible in its alledged ALTERED state.
DAVEH:
Due to the nature of the various translations and transcriptions
.EVERY Bible is in an altered state. While that may lead
to
Glenn - I am amazed that you can still make this claim when Mormonism has divided. The diversity of beliefs in the different divisions of Mormonism proves Mormon's revelation did not help but made division worse. Mormons just ignore the facts with a fiery gut sensation. That's attributing the
A moron can read that passage and understand it. I have had 2 different people read it (I made no comment.) and they told me what it means. The spin will not work here.
In summary, I think you gloss over a grave passage in the Book of Mormon
when you down play what it says about the Bible
No disparity in Mormon divisional practices. huh? With what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged.
DAVEH: He did clarify the truth on this matter..in the BofM. However, the Bible lacks that clarity, hence the disparity of practice.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What
about the people in the New Testament who received the Holy Spirit without
baptism?
DAVEH: Sorry to intrude, Glenn Blaine. When I read
this, Glenn, it occurred to me that you equate reception of the HS withsalvation.is
that correct?
Now if we look at it from
The Holy Spirit is God. If God is living within a person, that person is saved. Yes.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about the people in the New Testament who received the Holy Spirit without baptism?
DAVEH: Sorry to intrude, Glenn Blaine. When I read this, Glenn, it occurred to me that you
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No
disparity in Mormon divisional practices. huh?
DAVEH: I think you will find all factions of those who believe the
BofM share a common understanding of the Lord's desire that infants not
be baptized. In that respectto the BofMthat is correctI
don't think
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dead
argument from silence.
DAVEH: Only silence of the Bible. The Lord wasn't silent elsewhere.
Furthermore, Christians anciently practiced it and the Lord did not condemn
their practice of it. Is that not strong evidence that they considered
baptism an essential part
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Glenn
- If you keep on denying the facts
DAVEH: I'm only denying the untruths you want other TTers to believe.
The "facts"
are that neither you nor DavidM were able to exactly quote the words from
the BofM that both you claimed the BofM used.
maybe
you can believe your
This obvious denial of facts (while being an honest person) is more than enough evidence that Mormonism is a cult that brainwashes people.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glenn - If you keep on denying the facts
DAVEH: I'm only denying the untruths you want other TTers to believe. The "facts" are that
I totally understand what you are trying to convery. It is false with all due respect. You are trying to turn the truth in to a lie. Mormonism is divided. FACTS are FACTS. Mormon relevation has not worked. The FACT that yo don't accept each other is further proof Mormonism is divided. Brainwashing
EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING HERE CAN BE SAID WITHIN A DENOMINATION OF CHRISTIANITY. THIS IS UTTER FOLLEY.,
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Glenn - I am amazed that you can still make this claim when Mormonism has divided.
DAVEH: You still fail to understand what I've been trying to convey to you. The
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