[TruthTalk] Psst ... WILLIAM TAYLOR ...

[Chris Barr]

\o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Sabbath Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua !!   Don't look now, but, EVERYONE on TT is going to hell (except for me) UNLESS the Saviour returns before they die since hell is the grave.   Psst II:   As for where hell will end up for those not granted life eternal?  Well, nearly EVERYONE on TT (if not EVERYONE -- me excepted) will end up there ... except they repent of all the APOSTATE Talk on this list.   It's very funny to me ... I was the first one to reveal Judy for what she was and was roundly and soundly castigated for it!  Now just about EVERYBODY is at it!  What is even FUNNIER is that she now writes about the closest to TRUTH of anybody on the list.  On occasion she is even completely accurate (like at least a couple times this morning)!   Ahava b' YahShua (Love in The SAVIOUR) Baruch YHVH,   Bro. Chris a servant of YHVH             ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/27/2004 6:03 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: **Private Correspondence** Bill, My fellowship is with God's Word and those who love Him and tremble at His Word. I have no frame of reference for Polyani, Newbegin, and the psychiatrists/psychologists along with the mountains of religious folk who lived in times past. The world has no wisdom that is worth anything so far as God is concerned and I don't see any Overcoming Church that has been passed on to our generation, so why repeatedly go over and over their mistakes?  It's a new day.  God mercies are new every morning.  So why not learn from Him and give His Word the respect it is due?  The flesh profits nothing.   judyt   [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy says >  Newbigin must be an unbeliever also because the mind is not the home of faith.   Oh really? Is this all it takes to send someone to hell? Well then brace yourself!   Judy, Why are you so quick to judge? Do you want to be judged so hastily? How about if I say you're going to hell because you jumped in the middle of something you did not understand? Would that be right of me? Is that not what you did to Newbigin? You called him an unbeliever because he did not understand the place of faith. Worse yet, you did this before even trying to understand him yourself. You did this before trying to grasp what he was saying, before even asking me for clarification. Are you willing to conclude, therefore, just as hastily that you are an unbeliever? Be careful, lest you send yourself to hell!   I began my post to John with these words: "I suppose you got the point of Newbigin -- He was criticizing the dualisms present in the scientific model and not endorsing them." I then went on to show the fallacy of those dualisms: "Faith is inferior to knowledge only if there is indeed a gap between the mind (the home of faith [a charge originating in Enlightenment mentality*]) and the real world (the object of study, the place where certainty dwells [a charge originating in Enlightenment mentality*]).   *You would have known this if you would have read the same quote that John was referencing.   And you both would have known this if you had been following my posts on Polanyi's understanding of knowledge.   There is no need to respond to this, Judy. You bring this stuff on yourself. You don't need to discuss it with me. This is between you and the Lord. He will help you see that the discussion you need to have is with your own mind, not mine, not Newbigin's  --  your own. Judy, this is sin; you need to repent.   ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I suppose you got the point of Newbigin -- He was criticizing the dualisms present in the scientific model and not endorsing them. Faith is inferior to knowledge only if there is indeed a gap between the mind (the home of faith) and the real world (the object of study, the place where certainty dwells).   jt: Newbigin must be an unbeliever also because the mind is not the home of faith. Faith resides in the heart... One may have a heart of faith or an evil heart of unbelief.   If the gap is real, then "faith" is subjective and falls under the category of private opinion, and "knowledge" is objective, falling under the heading of public truth.   jt: Would you say that Abraham was full of "private opinion" and walked in public truth?   This dualism disappears when we realize that the gap is itself an illusion of our mind, a trick played upon ourselves when we think of knowledge as a picture of reality. Faith and knowledge are compatible because both involve a participation with reality.   jt: Whose reality would this be?   Rather than competing one against the other for fealty and affection the two integrate and work together, each bolstering the other.    jt: Faith rests in the promise of an unseen God who is Spirit. What does this have to do with "public truth" and what exactly is public truth?   judyt     In a message dated 3/25/2004 10:38:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Locke's famous definition, belief is 'a persuasion which falls short of knowledge.' Certainty is a matter of knowledge, not of faith. If we understand that persuasion and certainty are the same, these statements contradict.   From my point of view, the first is much closer to the truth than the latter.  I "know" this to be true because of Paul's use of the concept of faith, especially in Romans 14.    The vegetarian's teaching was wrong, hence he is the "weak brother," but he is directed by Paul not to violate his faith, inaccurate as it was.   John Smithson