Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
ShieldsFamily wrote: Jt, also I have learned that when a certain mormon fellow (to remain unnamed) asks us to define anything it is to get us squabbling about definitions amongst ourselves; DAVEH: ??? Are you suggesting I'm the author of confusion in this Forum? While

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:14 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life? In a message dated 1/14/2005 9:21:00 PM

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
ShieldsFamily wrote: Jt, also I have learned that when a certain mormon fellow (to remain unnamed) asks us to define anything it is to get us squabbling about definitions amongst ourselves; DAVEH: ??? Are you suggesting I'm the author of confusion in this Forum? While I may wish I

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 4:34:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Soo, John got the word wrong? You have a grammatical reason for saying this? You have a reason at all for saying this? Seriously. I see no reason for the need on your part to 1) disagree with what

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Actually, two very different theologies are presented here. Cleanses us from sin is a statment that declares pardon for what we do by default (sort of) as we grow and mature in the Lord's will. Cleanses us from sinning, besides changing the gk from a noun to a verb, allows one to think

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:45:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you for clarifying your opinion. I respectfully disagree. Izzy I love the "respectfully" part. Seriously. Jd

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-14 Thread Judy Taylor
DA Smithsonwrites:What if I said that "free moral agency" is a problem for God -- who is not a free moral agent; that His "all knowing" acclaim (a claim heeped on Him by others) is a comparative statement, His knowledge compared to our meager share; No doubt you've been

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-14 Thread Slade Henson
His new uniform is not one I would choose to wear! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Gary D OttosonSent: Thursday, 13 January, 2005 20.45To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-14 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/14/2005 12:27:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DA Smithson writes: What if I said that "free moral agency" is a problem for God -- who is not a free moral agent; that His "all knowing" acclaim (a claim heeped on Him by others) is a

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-14 Thread Judy Taylor
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:26:52 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DA Smithson writes:What if I said that "free moral agency" is a problem for God -- who is not a free moral agent; that His "all knowing" acclaim (a claim heeped on Him by others) is a

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-14 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/14/2005 2:36:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: Romans 2:15,16 speaks of born again Gentiles that is people who were not raised under the law of Moses but who now "in Christ" do by nature (their new nature) the things required in the law with their

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-14 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/14/2005 8:44:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The fact that He changes His mind indicates His mercy, it does not detract from his Omnipotence. Omnipotence -- doesn' t that have to do with power? John

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-14 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/14/2005 8:44:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But according to your belief He must be on this learning curve to have no limitations? I pretty much believe the learning curve was centered around our creation -- humans -- with larger degree of "free

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-14 Thread Judy Taylor
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:53:21 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/14/2005 8:44:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:But according to your belief He must be on this learning curve to have no limitations? I pretty much believe the learning curve

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-14 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/14/2005 4:55:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, judyT writes: "Where were you when he layed the foundations of the world - declare if you have understanding?" I believe I was in Compton. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-14 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/14/2005 5:37:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: Can't agree with you John because the word Life in Gk is Zoe or divine life rather than sarx or flesh life. Judy, you might dig up a good lexicon. You will change your mind on the above. "Zoe" is a work

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
When we might say, walking in the light is a relatively sinless state -- the question is almost forced upon us, Well, then, why the cleansing from sin in the same verse, in the same breath? John Because cleansing us from all sin means cleansing us from all sinning. Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-14 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/14/2005 9:21:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When we might say, "walking in the light is a relatively sinless state" -- the question is almost forced upon us, "Well, then, why the cleansing from sin" in the same verse, in the same breath? John

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-14 Thread ttxpress
morehermeneuticlesspoliticizdrivel On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:14:23 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/14/2005 9:21:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Because cleansing us from all sin means cleansing us from all sinning. Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-14 Thread Judy Taylor
John my understanding is that walking in the light and having fellowship with Jesus implies repentance and departure from sin rather than some continuous flow of blood. Also I can't see how this makes the sacrifice static. In the gospel of John we are told that the world (outside of Christ)

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Debbie Sawczak
The below is something I definitely did not write. Please pay no attention to the intro line, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:21 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re:

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
Nah...it was written by Izzy...in response to Bill Taylor Bill it appears to me that your theological construct forces one to believe that the worst thing you could do is to tell someone about Jesus Christ. If they never hear about Jesus they are guaranteed a ticket to heaven. If

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Thank you, Bill. I don't think I'll pursue the 'negative-option marketing' plan just now. It is not a good way of putting it. I am the slow one--I think slowly, and communicate slowly, and when I rush I get it wrong. I am trying to work out all of what the Trinitarian position means. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 8:42:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the mind is the home of faith which is wrong. And for this you decided the guy was hell bound? Get a grip. The mind and where it places it's interests is used by Paul to define that which is spiritual and

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 9:27:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, there is that problem if you press it to the logical conclusion, isn't there? Same with the all-babies-go-to-heaven view. In that case, best kill your kid before s/he reaches the age of accountability,

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Debbie, I hear you. We dont have to have it all figured out thankfully. We just have to trust and obey a loving God. BTW, I love the song Maybe Theres a Loving God by Sara Grovesits so awesome. (Im playing it on the computer as I type.) Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 10:07:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debbie wrote When I said God sees the end from the beginning, I didn't mean foreknowledge. I meant that the person's whole life-direction is one. And by that I meant, if they reject the message after

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:02 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life? Bill it appears to me that your theological

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 10:57:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why is it that whenever some TTers cannot agree on certain (usually non-essential) points of theology, instead of plainly explaining their position and then letting it go at that, they instead resort to

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
I said, for the life of me, I don't get it. I am sorry. You caught the brunt of my frustration. I have posted numerous times on the sufficiency of Christ's finished work to save babies the same way he has saved everyone else,believers included.We do not need a second gospel to get

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:21 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life? In a message dated 1/12/2005 7:48:06 PM

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
That's perfectly fine, Debbie. I think (if I may take a little license with what you wrote) that a lot of the misunderstandings come in via the door of missed opportunities, and I mean on the part of the Trinitarians, to fully answer questions when asked. I am fairly confident that most

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
I would say -- "How about them Dodgers?" Bill :) What if I said that "free moral agency" is a problem for God -- who is not a free moral agent; that His "all knowing" acclaim (a claim heeped on Him by others) is a comparative statement, His knowledge compared to our

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:10:22 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/12/2005 8:42:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the mind is the home of faith which is wrong. And for this you decided the guy was hell bound? Get a grip. jt:

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Now that you've vented, please go back and reread what I've written. Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:47 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life? Now that you've vented, please go back and

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Yeah, Izzy, I know. At that point I was just beginning to brew. The pot boiled later on -- poor Debbie!I think that your answer is a practical-outworking part of the full answer, but it does not address the theological 'whys' of this issue. Like why were those babies even alive in the first

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Exactly. Iron sharpens iron. (And mud muddies the muddled?) Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 7:56 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Excuse me, Judy, for what do I need to repent? At the time this took place you apologized to me for your accusation and admitted that you had judged him without first understanding his position. Are you now taking that back and turning on me? I am at a loss to know how to take you. You

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: Bill if I apologized to you back then it may have been for misunderstanding Newbigin, it certainly wasn't for consigning him to hell which was your accusation yesterday and which incidentally John has picked up on. Amazing how bad news spreads. I am not turning on you, nor am I reframing

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Yeah, Izzy, I know. At that point I was just beginning to brew. The pot boiled later on -- poor Debbie!I think that your answer is a practical-outworking part of the full answer, but it does not address the theological 'whys' of this issue. Like why were those babies even alive in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Bill, you call what I wrote above “venting”??? I call it calm, sincere questions which you have avoided answering by calling it venting. This is what I would call “venting”: Judy, You are impossible! Bill Izzy I am glad we are getting to know each other better. No, That is the truth!

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Nice talk, Bill. I did ask questions for clarification, and this is what I get? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:31 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
Bill Taylor wrote: I am fairly confident that most Trinitarians would agree with me on the wooing. I am certain that James and Thomas Torrance do in fact believe this, and teach it (although dear old J.B. is now deceased). The wooing is but one aspect of a thoroughly participatory salvation

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:14:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I said, for the life of me, I don't get it. I am sorry. You caught the brunt of my frustration. I have posted numerous times on the sufficiency of Christ's finished work to save babies the same way he has

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:33:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would say -- "How about them Dodgers?" Bill :) What if I said that "free moral agency" is a problem for God -- who is not a free moral agent; that His "all knowing" acclaim (a claim

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:44:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If they never hear about Jesus they are guaranteed a ticket to heaven. Actually, once again, you missed the point. No one is saying this. Romans 2:15 -16 speaks only of a maybe situation :

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
Try this buk buk buk buk b'gock! :^ -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, 13 January, 2005 16.12To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:13:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Try this buk buk buk buk b'gock! :^ -- slade AAA -- the theater of the mind I've heard that eggs taste better than tripe? John

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
That I wouldn't know, but I would venture to guess, uh... YES! However, I'd have to ask my brother who married a Mexican gal whose mother cooks a killer menudo (did I spell that correctly?) -- or so I've heard. I eat vegetarian at his home (that's a joke... kinda). By the way,

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Speaking of such, I am of the opinion (have I ever been taught this???) that we are born with a propensity to sinnot actually already condemned by sin (since we havent yet). So, in that case, anyone who dies prior to actually sinning is not under Gods judgment, and does not go to hell. Is

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:51:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, John... The financing on the home and property came through.. in duplicate. We can choose between two banks (Wells Fargo, I guess just took too long.). By the way, warn Bill T for me. I plan on

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Jeff Powers
So Sara has a new album out? I'd like to see her and Troy again. I haven't seen them since I turneddown Sara's offer to tour with them as her Sound Tech. Jeff Life makes warriors of us all.To emerge the victors, we must armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That weapon is

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
John wrote: Romans 2:15 -16 speaks only of a maybe situation : ..their conscience either accusing or defending them In Christ, we have the assurance of our salvation --- or, at least, some of us do. ... Does either accusing or defending sound like a

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 1:05:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I said, for the life of me, I don't get it. I am sorry. You caught the brunt of my frustration. I have posted numerous times on the sufficiency of Christ's finished work to save babies the same way he has

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Gary D Ottoson
myth (jt resolves most biblical questionsaprioriw/finality, not vianegotiatg vigorous, rigoroushermeneutic expertise existentially; if it's 'hermeneutic', DavidM,then it'safter the fashion of pseudo-intellectual cult/sect administratorswielding autocraticself-confirmation, rubber stampg

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:14:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure I understand how you are understanding this passage. What does "assurance of salvation" or a "guaranteed ticket to heaven" have to do with the effect of the conscience upon the mind? I have

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:30:43 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:14:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I'm not sure I understand how you are understanding this passage. What does "assurance of salvation" or a "guaranteed ticket to

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:48:12 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To the contrary, Judy, I have no problem believing that the names of those who do not reject the Christ will remain unblotted from the Lambs Book of Life. How about if you let me and the triad articulate

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Judy wrote I have no ideawhat you are talking about Bill. First you might define what you mean by "hermeneutical criteria" and then tell me how I hold your feet to the fire and excuse myself, because to me this is nothing but an unfounded accusation. You say there is no such thing as

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Judy, if you want me to do this, I will. But when I do, are you really going to be ready to repent? I rather doubt it. But I would be thrilled if you are. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
Now Bill, let's not rush to judgment here. You have me convicted and sentenced while the jury is still out. Are you certain that what I describe below is not you? Can you provethat you don't believe these things and have never promoted them on this list? Let's take care of these questions

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Slade Henson
A dead baby may not be your problem, Judy, but it's many people's rather traumatic problem. People wonder where their family members GO...especially their childrenwhen they die. Death is a very real problem most of us have to deal with at one time or another. The death of a child is

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Allow me to give you a resent example of one of your smears.Dependinghow you do with it, I may go further: "BTW you are included in the triad along withLance, and Jonathan."Canyou say to me with a clear conscience and your hand on the Bible that yoursis not a pejorative use of the word

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
God bless you, Kay. You are so right on with this one. Bill - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:31 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life? A

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Again I apologize for all the typos. They upset me very much. I know that I need to take a deep breath and count to ten, but this is so very important at so many levels. I told you this on my very first challenge of your views. To miss this, after a clear presentation of the truth, is a

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Jt, also I have learned that when a certain mormon fellow (to remain unnamed) asks us to define anything it is to get us squabbling about definitions amongst ourselves; thus avoiding him answering any specific, uncomfortable questions himself. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:31:07 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A dead baby may not be your problem, Judy, but it's many people's rather traumatic problem. People wonder where their family members GO...especially their childrenwhen they die. Death is a very real

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/11/2005 11:52:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have no idea what you are talking about Bill. First you might define what you mean by "hermeneutical criteria" and then tell me how I hold your feet to the fire and excuse myself, because to me this is

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Slade Henson
I guess you understood what I was trying to say. I'm not the greatest of writers. Thank you, Bill. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Bill TaylorSent: Wednesday, 12 January, 2005 09.46To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:54:55 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The hermeneutical criteria that I am questioningis the criteria of interpretation that you use against others but are unwilling to apply to yourself. Let me state it in different words. At the beginning of

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:02:00 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kay...in this shade: Judy in this shade On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:31:07 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A dead baby may not be your problem, Judy, but it's many people's

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Slade Henson
Do you really not get it or are you faking it? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, 12 January, 2005 13.04To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: I don't "fake" stuff Kay, what am I supposed to be getting that I don't get? All anyone can have is an opinion about this question - unless you have some hidden insight and if you do then please share.. judyt On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:13:55 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
I hear you Izzy - seems like I can also recall going through this procedure before and I've not been around TT as long as you ... On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:12:15 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jt, also I have learned that when a certain mormon fellow (to remain

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Terry Clifton
Bill Taylor wrote: Now let me give you and example of your caricatures from a recent post? However, this is subject to change if anyone can show me in the scriptures that I am in error and so far none of the "eternal son" people have done so. While I admit that on this

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread David Miller
Bill Taylor wrote: The hermeneutical criteria that I am questioning is the criteria of interpretation that you use against others but are unwilling to apply to yourself. ... you sent a series of posts stating that no where in Scripture are the words eternal Son used. You therefore used that

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Bill Taylor Allow me to give you a resent example of one of your smears.Dependinghow you do with it, I may go further: "BTW you are included in the triad along withLance, and Jonathan." Canyou say to me with a clear conscience and your hand on the Bible that

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 4:56:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: O poor poor John, yes, that's me. :-)

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 4:56:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even though we do not all affirm your view concerning a lack of a fallen nature, there are at least a couple of us who will affirm the absence of a concept of "spiritual death" in the biblical narrative.

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 4:56:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: JOHN a dead baby is not my problem. I have a Heavenly Father whose nature and character is love and so I leave all those kinds of problems with Him cause I don't have to know everything. However, what

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Yeah, that's pretty funny, Terry. Do I value my opinion too highly? I hope not! The truth is that I spend most of my time feeling very inadequate about my thoughts and opinions;I feellike I have failed to communicate what I really wanted to say.I place this burden upon myself; Ifeel

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 5:42:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The soul that sinneth, it shall die -- is not a true statement for those who are in Christ. JD, then by your theology there will be very few in hell, and most everyone in heavencorrect? Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 11:42:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After all, if you were correct, wouldn't David and I agree with you? Terry lol

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
jt: I don't fake stuff Kay, what am I supposed to be getting that I don't get? All anyone can have is an opinion about this question - unless you have some hidden insight and if you do then please share.. judyt Speaking of such, I am of the opinion (have I ever been taught

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
And Judy, don't deceive yourself: I have stated it in a coherent and cogent way. = I guess thats why Terry, jt, DavidM, and I still dont get it??? Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
If this explains why they did not die on that day, then why did they die later? If the substitution stopped them from dying on that day, then why not forever? Genesis 3:22-23a Then the LORD God said, Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
You have been shown the error of your theology, yet you mock uswith words andtitles like: 'eternal Sonship' - relationship - community thing. This is a caricature; it is aderogatory imitationof our beliefs san the substance of content. In Lances terminology, I think that

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Thanks, David, for attempting to articulate Judy's position. Perhaps you have stated it correctly. Bill PS My position against the concept of spiritual death does not necessitate a non-reductionistic, non-dualistic understanding of personhood, nor does it grow out of that understanding. My

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
The soul that sinneth, it shall die -- is not a true statement for those who are in Christ. JD, then by your theology there will be very few in hell, and most everyone in heavencorrect? Izzy 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-20-21- Oh, sorry, Izzy, I am busy

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
JT wrote I want you to go as far back as you can and find someone I have damned to hell either on or off this list. Does the name Newbigin ring a bell? Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Slade Henson
JOHN I hope you haven't stopped the discussion completely, because there are alot of questions and discussions we could all have regarding Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of life... Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
Vaguely but I don't remember "damning Newbigin to hell" and since you claim that I did this Bill then you need to show me in my own words what I said. This is a very serious accusation. judyt On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:43:05 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JT wrote I want

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 1:54:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JOHN I hope you haven't stopped the discussion completely, because there are alot of questions and discussions we could all have regarding Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of life... Kay I

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 2:04:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JOHN I hope you haven't stopped the discussion completely, because there are alot of questions and discussions we could all have regarding Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of life... Kay

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Judy wrote: "Newbigin must be an unbeliever also because the mind is not the home of faith. Faith resides in the heart... One may have a heart of faith or an evil heart of unbelief." Judy,where do those unbelievers with evil hearts spend eternity? You knew at the time you wrote this that

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
Bill is this what you do when you study scripture? ie:put words in the mouths of others and take off running? What I wrote concerning Newbigin's writingwas an observation from scripture which contrasts a heart of faith with an evil heart of unbelief. I don't remember what I was commenting on

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life? Bill is this what you do

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:37:50 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To the contrary, Judy, at the time of your judgment you did know of his background and that he had died. You may not have intended it as such, but your judgment of him, in the context of how it was made, did very

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
The original correspondence came from Judy Tayloron March 26, 2004 7:38 PM MST. The thread name was "POLYANYI" The private correspondence was sent to Judy the same day at 11:32 PM MST. I believe it was the next day that you posted it on TT. It was posted under the subject **Private

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