RE: Fwd: [TruthTalk] sweat

[Dean Moore]

----- Original Message ----- From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/21/2005 8:35:59 PM Subject: Fwd: [TruthTalk] sweat I am always happy to publish the great truths of Mormonism on TT or anywhere.  :>) Blainerb cd: Then please tell us of this Pay-Lay-Ale ceremony?     In a message dated 12/21/2005 5:57:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you for proving my point.  You are in error because you derive your opinions from false premises, not God’s Word.  Please discuss this further on TT rather than private posts, thank you.  izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] sweat   In a message dated 12/19/2005 10:06:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine, there is NOTHING in scripture to back up what you are saying.  It is entirely your speculation.  Where did you get that idea? Is that another mormon doctrine thingy? So what was the anecdote that convinced you of this regarding Jesus Himself? iz  Blainerb:  Kevin posted some of the Mormon doctrine sources for this belief--guess you did not read them--definitely Mormon doctrines:   Encyclopedia of Mormonism ... For Latter-day Saints, Gethsemane was the scene of Jesus' greatest agony, even surpassing that which he suffered on the cross, an understanding supported by Mark's description of Jesus' experience (Mark 14:33-39).       ... The evidence for Jesus' extreme agony in Gethsemane is buttressed by a prophecy in the Book of Mormon and a statement by the resurrected Savior recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants. About 125 B.C., a Book of Mormon king, Benjamin, recounted in an important address a prophecy of the coming messiah spoken to him by an angel during the previous night. Concerning the Messiah's mortal experience, the angel declared that "he shall suffer temptations, and pain of body, hunger, thirst, and fatigue, even more than man can suffer, except it be unto death; for behold, blood cometh from every pore, so great shall be his anguish for the wickedness and the abominations of his people" (Mosiah 3:7).  The Doctrine and Covenants gives the following poignant words of the resurrected Jesus: "Behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent; which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit" (D&C 19:16, 18).     Modern LDS leaders have emphasized that Jesus' most challenging experience came in Gethsemane. Speaking in a general conference of the Church in 1982, Marion G. Romney, a member of the First Presidency, observed that Jesus suffered "the pains of all men, which he did, principally, in Gethsemane, the scene of his great agony" (Ensign 12 [May 1982]:6). Church President Ezra Taft Benson wrote that "it was in Gethsemane that Jesus took on Himself the sins of the world, in Gethsemane that His pain was equivalent to the cumulative burden of all men, in Gethsemane that He descended below all things so that all could repent and come to Him" (Benson, p. 7). (Encyclopedia of Mormonism, edited by Daniel H. Ludlow,  New York: Macmillan Publishing Company, 1992, p. 542)