Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:48:12 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To the contrary, Judy, I have no problem believing that the names of those who do not reject the Christ will remain unblotted from the Lambs Book of Life. How about if you let me and the triad articulate

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Judy wrote I have no ideawhat you are talking about Bill. First you might define what you mean by "hermeneutical criteria" and then tell me how I hold your feet to the fire and excuse myself, because to me this is nothing but an unfounded accusation. You say there is no such thing as

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Judy, if you want me to do this, I will. But when I do, are you really going to be ready to repent? I rather doubt it. But I would be thrilled if you are. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2 Yellow brick rd

2005-01-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Just imagine if you were raised up in a all LDS culture. You have been told that the prophet speaks as God since as far back, asyou can remember. For instance, while you may have sung "Jesus Loves me" LDS chilgren learn songs such as "Follow the Prophet" Here is part of that song: Now we have a

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
Now Bill, let's not rush to judgment here. You have me convicted and sentenced while the jury is still out. Are you certain that what I describe below is not you? Can you provethat you don't believe these things and have never promoted them on this list? Let's take care of these questions

RE: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic Movement

2005-01-12 Thread Slade Henson
I think Scripture says the false prophet is to be killed Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Tuesday, 11 January, 2005 22.59To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Slade Henson
A dead baby may not be your problem, Judy, but it's many people's rather traumatic problem. People wonder where their family members GO...especially their childrenwhen they die. Death is a very real problem most of us have to deal with at one time or another. The death of a child is

Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me

2005-01-12 Thread ttxpress
good question On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:13:10 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..is it because you do not want to explicitly identify yourself as the teacher of that which can only be interpreted as heresy from the position of classic orthodoxy?

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Allow me to give you a resent example of one of your smears.Dependinghow you do with it, I may go further: "BTW you are included in the triad along withLance, and Jonathan."Canyou say to me with a clear conscience and your hand on the Bible that yoursis not a pejorative use of the word

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
God bless you, Kay. You are so right on with this one. Bill - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:31 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life? A

RE: [TruthTalk] Creationism

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
All of this to say that I know what you mean: people will always find a way to justify their beliefs. Bill Oh, isnt that the truth! Amazing how people ignore scripture. Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Again I apologize for all the typos. They upset me very much. I know that I need to take a deep breath and count to ten, but this is so very important at so many levels. I told you this on my very first challenge of your views. To miss this, after a clear presentation of the truth, is a

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
ShieldsFamily wrote: Izzy in red: JD, while some of us judge doctrine, your words seem to judge people on TT . I find no manner of rudeness written towards, DaveH, and Im sure he will attest that he feels quite among friends on TT. Izzy DAVEH: Though I suspect I do have many

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Jt, also I have learned that when a certain mormon fellow (to remain unnamed) asks us to define anything it is to get us squabbling about definitions amongst ourselves; thus avoiding him answering any specific, uncomfortable questions himself. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic Movement

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thats fine with me. However didnt Jesus say something else? Could Slade please respond also? Id seriously like to know when we should ask God to judge someone vs when we should forgive and forget. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-12 Thread Dave Hansen
Judy Taylor wrote: Well there is the broad road and the narrow way - everyone is onone or the other but only one of them will lead to life. Defining what the word Christian means is neither here nor there. jt DAVEH: ??? I don't quite follow your thinking on that one, Judy. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2 Yellow brick rd

2005-01-12 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: FOLLOW THE PROPHETsounds like good advice to me, Kevin. If a prophet conveys the word (Dt 18:18 Amos 3:7) of the Lord to his people, should he not be followed as the Hebrews followed Moses? I'd say the problems start cropping up when the prophets aren't followed.just look

Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please

2005-01-12 Thread Dave Hansen
ShieldsFamily wrote: My previously happy ex-wife's mother, tried to cast an evil spirit out of me. She stop her debate with me, at the breakfast table with bibles opening and hearts churnning, squinted her eys. look streaight trough me and said "Some out

Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please

2005-01-12 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: LOL..I agree with Kevin (hallelujah) on this one, Izzy.you've got a great sense of humor! :-D BTWI'm short on time tonight, and see that I've generated far more response than I can possibly respond to before I hit the hay. I hope I'm not infuriating some TTers, as

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-12 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: Dave, Have we established that unless I join the LDS Church I can not be saved? DAVEH: Not in my opinion. I believe there are a lot of non-LDS folks who will be saved. (And many LDS folks who will not be saved.) Or am I taking these quotes out of context?

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:31:07 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A dead baby may not be your problem, Judy, but it's many people's rather traumatic problem. People wonder where their family members GO...especially their childrenwhen they die. Death is a very real

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-12 Thread Dave Hansen
ShieldsFamily wrote: ShieldsFamily wrote: Izzy in red: JD, while some of us judge doctrine, your words seem to judge people on TT . I find no manner of rudeness written towards, DaveH, and Im sure he will attest that he feels quite among friends on TT. Izzy

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
DAVEH: Yeah, but with a little forethought, there could have been one more (Mormon boy) feasting with you that day. After all, I bet 16 would fit much more evenly around your table than 15. Think about that the next time you through a party! 8-) Dave, feel free to join us next

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-12 Thread Slade Henson
How many wives do you have, Dave? I can't imagine Slade keeping up with more than one of me Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 12 January, 2005 10.32To:

Re: [TruthTalk] On Echad

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
Good post --- but I believe I have the book AND the glossary. JD In a message dated 1/11/2005 3:09:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Oneness of YHVH vs. Plurality One of the greatest arguments against the concept of the deity of Messiah is that YHVH is an

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Fw: I just don't look good naked any more]

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
Shouldn't this be addressed to Terry's wife? In a message dated 1/11/2005 1:56:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOL! Our condolences, Terry. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:23 PM To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/11/2005 11:52:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have no idea what you are talking about Bill. First you might define what you mean by "hermeneutical criteria" and then tell me how I hold your feet to the fire and excuse myself, because to me this is

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/11/2005 11:57:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well there is the broad road and the narrow way - everyone is on one or the other but only one of them will lead to life. Defining what the word Christian means is neither here nor there. jt Maybe the

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Fw: Ted Kennedy - when will he learn?]

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/11/2005 12:56:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A "torture" known as "waterboarding" (where the enemy combatant's nose is dunked under water in a scare tatic to simulate drowning) is being practiced by the US military and is deplorable and despicable

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/11/2005 1:56:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A matter of grave concern for the discerning. Izzy And you suppose this includes you ???

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/11/2005 1:56:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do not glibbly accept Dave as a Christian -- it is based upon his answer to a question I asked about Christ. In word (script), he expressed my faith. JD A matter of grave concern for the discerning.

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Slade Henson
I guess you understood what I was trying to say. I'm not the greatest of writers. Thank you, Bill. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Bill TaylorSent: Wednesday, 12 January, 2005 09.46To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me

2005-01-12 Thread David Miller
Bill Taylor wrote: David, I broke your statement down into parts and answered accordingly: snip we are five out of six in terms of agreement. Thanks Bill! This was VERY helpful. I'm going to study your comments about John 8 a little more carefully. Unless a big light bulb goes off by doing

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-12 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: David Miller? Sure, I know David Miller. He is bald, short, fat, lives in a condo in Indianapolis, drives an old Studebaker, smokes, drinks, does a little weed when he can, gambles, and has 3 girlfriends. Tell him 'hi' for me. See? I know David Miller! LOL. I get your point,

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:54:55 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The hermeneutical criteria that I am questioningis the criteria of interpretation that you use against others but are unwilling to apply to yourself. Let me state it in different words. At the beginning of

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:02:00 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kay...in this shade: Judy in this shade On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:31:07 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A dead baby may not be your problem, Judy, but it's many people's

Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 5:56:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: good question On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:13:10 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..is it because you do not want to explicitly identify yourself as the teacher of that which can only be

[TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: No problem DaveH; all I'm saying is that there are a lot of people saying a lot of things and everyone claims to have the truth but the bottom line is "Are we walking in it" because we will be judged on "deeds done in the flesh" or "obedience" rather than what some are calling

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Slade Henson
Do you really not get it or are you faking it? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, 12 January, 2005 13.04To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: I don't "fake" stuff Kay, what am I supposed to be getting that I don't get? All anyone can have is an opinion about this question - unless you have some hidden insight and if you do then please share.. judyt On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:13:55 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-12 Thread Slade Henson
Woops...I just noticed this post. I seem to miss posts on a regular basis.I'll go to this shade of purple: -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dave HansenSent: Monday, 10 January, 2005 10.16To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
I hear you Izzy - seems like I can also recall going through this procedure before and I've not been around TT as long as you ... On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:12:15 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jt, also I have learned that when a certain mormon fellow (to remain

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Terry Clifton
Bill Taylor wrote: Now let me give you and example of your caricatures from a recent post? However, this is subject to change if anyone can show me in the scriptures that I am in error and so far none of the "eternal son" people have done so. While I admit that on this

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread David Miller
Bill Taylor wrote: The hermeneutical criteria that I am questioning is the criteria of interpretation that you use against others but are unwilling to apply to yourself. ... you sent a series of posts stating that no where in Scripture are the words eternal Son used. You therefore used that

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Fw: I just don't look good naked any more]

2005-01-12 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shouldn't this be addressed to Terry's wife? == No. She don't look that bad naked. Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-12 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/11/2005 11:57:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well there is the broad road and the narrow way - everyone is on one or the other but only one of them will lead to life. Defining what the word Christian means is

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Bill Taylor Allow me to give you a resent example of one of your smears.Dependinghow you do with it, I may go further: "BTW you are included in the triad along withLance, and Jonathan." Canyou say to me with a clear conscience and your hand on the Bible that

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 4:56:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How sad John, "Unto the pure all things are pure, but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure but even their mind and conscience is defiled. They profess that they know God; but in works

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 4:56:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: O poor poor John, yes, that's me. :-)

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 4:56:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even though we do not all affirm your view concerning a lack of a fallen nature, there are at least a couple of us who will affirm the absence of a concept of "spiritual death" in the biblical narrative.

Re: [TruthTalk] A Prophetic Word from David Miller

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 4:56:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's the Word become flesh in the life of David Miller John and this should be normal Christianity. jt could you explain conceptually (that would include biblical reference) apart from references to David.

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 4:56:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: JOHN a dead baby is not my problem. I have a Heavenly Father whose nature and character is love and so I leave all those kinds of problems with Him cause I don't have to know everything. However, what

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 4:56:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: I wish I could think of stuff like that, JD. Nice to see Izzy get a jab in the ribs now and then. I'm too timid to tickle the whiskers of that sleeping cat :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a

Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 4:57:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: I don't know about "fun" Slade. It's serious business to student's of God's Word as it was to the astrologers or whoever they were who travelled so far to see the child Jesus; also to Simeon and Anna. Do

Re: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic Movement

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 5:08:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think Scripture says the false prophet is to be killed Kay :-)

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Yeah, that's pretty funny, Terry. Do I value my opinion too highly? I hope not! The truth is that I spend most of my time feeling very inadequate about my thoughts and opinions;I feellike I have failed to communicate what I really wanted to say.I place this burden upon myself; Ifeel

Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
David wroteI'm going to study your comments about John 8 a little more carefully. Unless a big light bulb goes off by doing so, I will probably have some questions about it. That's fine, David, but let me tell you up front, I'm not interested in going down a thousand different bunny trails

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 5:42:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The soul that sinneth, it shall die -- is not a true statement for those who are in Christ. JD, then by your theology there will be very few in hell, and most everyone in heavencorrect? Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 6:27:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My previously happy ex-wife's mother, tried to cast an evil spirit out of me. She stop her debate with me, at the breakfast table with bibles opening and hearts churnning, squinted her

Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: And what in the world are you doing John? Are you actually using the "present day grammatical rules ofHebrew" to interpret God's eternal Word of Truth? Apparently you don't believe the Holy Spirit is able tolead us into all truth without these - am I correct? On Wed, 12 Jan 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 7:18:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could you give her another goat--iz--JD? Izzy And, here, I had assumed the worse. :-)))

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
BTW, did I miss DaveHs definition of mormon, or are we still waiting? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:11 PM To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 11:42:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After all, if you were correct, wouldn't David and I agree with you? Terry lol

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
jt: I don't fake stuff Kay, what am I supposed to be getting that I don't get? All anyone can have is an opinion about this question - unless you have some hidden insight and if you do then please share.. judyt Speaking of such, I am of the opinion (have I ever been taught

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Fw: I just don't look good naked any more]

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 11:47:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shouldn't this be addressed to Terry's wife? ==No. She don't look that bad naked. Terry Heavens to Mergatroid - I didn't have

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
And Judy, don't deceive yourself: I have stated it in a coherent and cogent way. = I guess thats why Terry, jt, DavidM, and I still dont get it??? Izzy

RE: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Fw: I just don't look good naked any more]

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:37 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Fw: I just don't look good naked any more] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shouldn't this be

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
If this explains why they did not die on that day, then why did they die later? If the substitution stopped them from dying on that day, then why not forever? Genesis 3:22-23a Then the LORD God said, Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
You have been shown the error of your theology, yet you mock uswith words andtitles like: 'eternal Sonship' - relationship - community thing. This is a caricature; it is aderogatory imitationof our beliefs san the substance of content. In Lances terminology, I think that

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Thanks, David, for attempting to articulate Judy's position. Perhaps you have stated it correctly. Bill PS My position against the concept of spiritual death does not necessitate a non-reductionistic, non-dualistic understanding of personhood, nor does it grow out of that understanding. My

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
The soul that sinneth, it shall die -- is not a true statement for those who are in Christ. JD, then by your theology there will be very few in hell, and most everyone in heavencorrect? Izzy 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-20-21- Oh, sorry, Izzy, I am busy

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
JT wrote I want you to go as far back as you can and find someone I have damned to hell either on or off this list. Does the name Newbigin ring a bell? Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Slade Henson
JOHN I hope you haven't stopped the discussion completely, because there are alot of questions and discussions we could all have regarding Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of life... Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
Vaguely but I don't remember "damning Newbigin to hell" and since you claim that I did this Bill then you need to show me in my own words what I said. This is a very serious accusation. judyt On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:43:05 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JT wrote I want

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
Re: Ninevites nation and the rule of God in their culture. Observation: Apparently there was something existent in their going ons, at the time of Joanh, that established some degree of connectivity between these pagans and the God of the Jews (who would also be the God of us all, of course)

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-12 Thread Jeff Powers
Is that why I have BF Goodrich Roadhandler tread marks seemingly tattooed on my back? Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:18 Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 1:54:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JOHN I hope you haven't stopped the discussion completely, because there are alot of questions and discussions we could all have regarding Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of life... Kay I

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 2:01:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is that why I have BF Goodrich Roadhandler tread marks seemingly tattooed on my back? Jeff If "wide track," I am sad to say "yes." I will pray from your recovery. John

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
We are still in the air waiting ... waiting ... waiting ...ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, did I miss DaveH’s definition of mormon, or are we still waiting? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 2:04:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JOHN I hope you haven't stopped the discussion completely, because there are alot of questions and discussions we could all have regarding Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of life... Kay

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-12 Thread Jeff Powers
I thank you, my feet thank you and even my burro thanks you! A long time ago I knew it was going to be a tough road, But I never imagined it to be this tough! Jeff Life makes warriors of us all.To emerge the victors, we must armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That weapon is

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Judy wrote: "Newbigin must be an unbeliever also because the mind is not the home of faith. Faith resides in the heart... One may have a heart of faith or an evil heart of unbelief." Judy,where do those unbelievers with evil hearts spend eternity? You knew at the time you wrote this that

Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me

2005-01-12 Thread David Miller
Bill Taylor wrote: He is most emphatically not just saying that he was God prior to Abraham's existence. Then we have a different perspective on this passage in John 8 that we should explore more intimately. Bill Taylor wrote: With his statement, Before Abraham was, I AM (and it having been

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
Bill is this what you do when you study scripture? ie:put words in the mouths of others and take off running? What I wrote concerning Newbigin's writingwas an observation from scripture which contrasts a heart of faith with an evil heart of unbelief. I don't remember what I was commenting on

Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me

2005-01-12 Thread David Miller
Slade wrote: Only Begotten means unique. Terry wrote: Does the word Begotten have no relation to the word Begat? Do both not relate to child birth? I understand that only means unique. Does this mean something other than the only son God ever had by a woman? Slade wrote: Yes, basically

Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Thanks for the response, David. I am resigned to the fact that we will have to disagree on this matter. Please do not interpret this as a rejection of you. It is not. I hope as time goes on and we are able to get to know each other better, you will be able to begin to perceive the paradigm from

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
The question is why is DAVEH so worried about the definition of Christian while yet avoidinga definition for Mormon?Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A member of the Mormon church. Also called Latter Day Saint. I figured I supplied the definition for Christian that nobody wanted to give,

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon's trample the Blood

2005-01-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Why is it that a theology that claims Christ denigrates his Blood? Christ is only onthe label. "Christians speak often of the blood of Christ and its cleansing power. Much that is believed and taught on this subject, however, is such utter nonsense and so palpably false that to believe it is to

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life? Bill is this what you do

Re: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic Movement

2005-01-12 Thread David Miller
SLADE wrote: How do you KNOW you are a prophet? When I first began receiving revelation (dreams and visions), the Lord told me that I was functioning as a prophet but that I should not advertise that I was functioning in this way. He instructed me to tell others that inquired who I was that

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:37:50 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To the contrary, Judy, at the time of your judgment you did know of his background and that he had died. You may not have intended it as such, but your judgment of him, in the context of how it was made, did very

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Bill Taylor
The original correspondence came from Judy Tayloron March 26, 2004 7:38 PM MST. The thread name was "POLYANYI" The private correspondence was sent to Judy the same day at 11:32 PM MST. I believe it was the next day that you posted it on TT. It was posted under the subject **Private

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-12 Thread Slade Henson
Maybe because he asked for the Christian definition first and no one seemed to want to answer him, so he didn't feel obliged to answer when he was asked. I don't know...just guessing. K. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread Judy Taylor
Thank you for the dates Bill but I still can't find anything to do with Newbigin. I did find another judgment that I did make back then that was completely wrongand I have done an about turn regarding thatassessmentbut it has nothing to do with what we've been talking about and nothing to

RE: [TruthTalk] On Echad

2005-01-12 Thread Slade Henson
No. -- slade -Original Message-From: Bill TaylorSent: Tuesday, 11 January, 2005 23.51Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On Echad Would you agree with me that in light of God's fuller self-revelation of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in the New Testament, there is very solid

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 4:09 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life? In a message dated 1/12/2005 2:04:58 PM

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Kay, if you dont mind we would still like to hear DaveHs definition. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 4:16 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Why is it that whenever some TTers cannot agree on certain (usually non-essential) points of theology, instead of plainly explaining their position and then letting it go at that, they instead resort to personal attacks upon those who dont agree? (You said this! You said that! You were so

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Ask him, Kay. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:45 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads Maybe because he asked for the Christian definition

RE: [TruthTalk] On Echad

2005-01-12 Thread Slade Henson
The reason for the brevity is because the answer required brevity. To go further would simply force my foot in my mouth ormy words may stumble intoapostasy. G-d is s big I cannot begin to define even His edges, were they to exist. However, does the Newer Testament give more insight

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