The thing Paul is against is being a know it all
and proud along with causing younger believers to stumble; however neither God
or his servants condone ignorance ... they teach that we should not be children
in understanding; in malice be children but
in understanding be men. (1 Cor 14:20)
Dave:You appear rather exercised over this matter.
Why is this such a 'hot button' issue for you? IFO don't believe Gary to be
violating any copyright laws.
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From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 15, 2006 23:21
Very good point, Judy. Paul is all about us knowing the truth, but he
also cautions us not to think we know the whole story. I think many times
when people encounter those who have a confidence in a particular truth, they
feel some kind of threat and want to knock down the confidence of that
http://www.covenantnews.com/proctor060315.htm Rick Warren Fundamentalist or Finagler? By Paul Proctor The Covenant News ~ March 15, 2006 Journalist, Paul Nussbaum recently sent shock waves through a segment of the Christian community after reporting the
following comments
Take Genesis chapters 1 - 3 or, if you prefer 1 -
11. Is TRUTH taught therein? Yes!Do all believers agree upon the
TRUTH that is taught therein? No!.WHY? Further, upon
employing 1 - 4 below will the outcome necessarily be other than
'NO'?
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John, in my opinion based upon sketchy details, Joanna violated the teaching
of Paul. Paul dealt with fornicators by instructing believers not to even
eat with them. Paul rebuked the carnal Corinthians for doing the same thing
Joanna was doing. Don't you see that? It is a difficult position
I would say that my confidence is in the Lord who
has given me thefaith to believethat He will do as He
says but I can relate to what you are saying
David. I experienced this growing up in Australia and it is known as the
great Australian "inferiority complex" I don't know how it is today
I do not know why I even Bother MANY POSTS agao KD said At this point I am pretty tired of the game have no desire to chase my tail to argue a straw man errected by JD JD continues his attack for days and you are concerned with my adhom style? You just do not get it. I will not explain
I disagree with Lance.
I say that all who are taught by God will say the
same thing about Genesis Chapters 1 through 11
These are the ones who will all be saying the same
thing in the end time and this is the "unity" Christ
prayed for... The definition of "believer" should
be "one who speaks
'ALL WHO ARE TAUGHT BY GOD WILL SAY THE SAME THING
ABOUT GENESIS CHAPTERS 1 - 11'
Have we just been provided with a perfect standard
for determining who is/who is not 'taught by God'?
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc:
Title: PALM Report Vol 4 Issue 9
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From: Bruce Fligg PALM
Ministries
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 16, 2006 07:52
Subject: PALM Alert!
PALM Alert!
Lifting up Mississauga in
Prayer
John 17:21 May they be brought to complete unity
PALM -Pray ALways
Title: A few lines from Gilead
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: March 15, 2006 21:41
Subject: A few lines from Gilead
I am currently reading it, and it's
wonderful. In case you don't know or have forgotten, it's a letter written by a
dying father,
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From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: March 15, 2006 22:14
Subject: having finished V's postmodernism lecture
I
mentioned the relational bit in my reply to your forwarded Wrightsaid post. For
the rest: having been able to listen to it in context, and
Hi Judy. Actually, I was simply quoting a scripture - one that you probably never use - and asking a question as to the source of this love; does it come from God to us (thus DRIVING OUT fear) or does it come from us (and fear is replaced as love increases..)
How does this verse work for you in
Lance wrote:
No believer commends known sin!
Perhaps not, but many so-called believers, Christians if you will, accept
sin as part of life until death, and many will condone sin. Technically,
they are not believers, because somone who truly sees Jesus as he is and
believes in him, trusts in
Judy, you seem to see "sinister" where none exists. You argue that Paul moved on in spite ofhis willingness to observe continued Jewish custom (ala Acts 21.) On previous occasions, you have argued that Paul honored Torah. Which is it -- in what light should we consider(contextually speaking)
Lance, I think the point Judy is making is that God's Spirit will lead the
believer to believe the same thing about these passages. I don't think she
means that every true believer will have the exact same understanding at
this point in time.
You mentioned employing 1 through 4. I actually
In the view of God's relating to man, Paul's comment in I Cor 8 (IMO) is all about confidence -- nothing wrong with knowing as long as one does not thinkher relationship with God is secured in that knowing rather than via the process of love. He does contrast knowing and love in this passage, no?
A heartly "amen" for this: I am an evangelical. I'm not a member of the religious right and I'm not a fundamentalist ...Today there really aren't that many Fundamentalists left; I don't know if you know that or not, but they are such a minority; there aren't that many Fundamentalists left in
David:Please distinguish 'believe the same thing about these passages' from
'exact same understanding at this point in time'. It may be that resolution
to the 'sticking point' may be at hand.
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
David, I honestly see a huge difference. Joanna seems to believe that those with whom she is working are in need of help -- the Corinthians were perfectly content with doing absolutely nothing. Our churches should be full of sinners willing to ask for help, willing to receive teaching, love,
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and believers.
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: March 16, 2006 09:57
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and
believers.
And the paragraphs just before that
read:
In the next sentence,
he
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and believers.
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: March 16, 2006 09:50
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and
believers.
How timely. I JUST THIS MOMENT
finished the following paragraph in
I will not ask this question again. Apparently the rightwing cannot receive the question for some reason (fear expressed in self - assertion ??) but the question is this: assuming they are going to hell in due time (a discussion point for another time), what do we do with these folks IN THE MEAN
The gates of hell?
DAVEH: How do you perceive the gates of hell, DavidM? From my
perspective, as hell is used here, it relates to hades and the gates of
hell is that barrier that makes imprisons us at death. IOWwhen we
die, we our spirit is effectively trapped by death, unable to return
YES; and I have this on good
authority
Didn't Jesus say the same thing to more than one
group of Jews who prided themselves on their knowledge
of scripture? He told them if God were their father they would hear and
receive His Word, however, they rejected both Him and His Words proving that
Apparently you can not control yourself : (
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I will not ask this question again. Apparently the rightwing cannot
receive the question for some reason (fear expressed in self -
assertion ??) but the question is this: assuming they are going to
hell in due time
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:25:45 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy, you seem to see "sinister" where none exists.
I wrote nothing "sinister" JD
You argue that Paul moved on in spite ofhis willingness to observe
continued Jewish custom
(ala Acts 21.)
He did this so as
That portion of your post: "there are no excuses
for not SAYING WHAT GOD SAYS" is as true as true can possibly be!
Back to my Genesis illustration then, Someone asks
'What does God say in Gen 1-11? Answer:Read Gen 1-11 and, you will know what the
Scriptures (God) say in Gen 1 - 11. Should
beon guard, o
canada©
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:18:09 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dave[H]:You appear rather exercised over this
matter. Why is this such a 'hot button' issue for you?..
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Title: RE: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and believers.
Hmmm! Looks like Paul had a different
"Christology" because he clearly states that he had not yet
apprehended - (see Phil 3:12,13). So it's
undoubtedly safer to go further back than the "reformers" for
a
sound Christology lest we
Kevin, your response here is nothing but an ad hominem remark. It is an
emotional comment, not a logical one. It does not add to the discussion.
If you need help understanding an ad hominem argument, please consult the
following article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Please try and
My understanding of Gen. 1-11 is not going to be exactly the same as Judy's
in the sense that if I wrote a commentary on the chapters and then Judy did
the same, they would differ much in the way that the different gospel
accounts differ from one another. However, if we are both filled with
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:53:34 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
David, I honestly see a huge difference.
Joanna seems to believe that those with whom she is working are in need
of help --
Maybe they are in need of help but from what Joanne
says they are not open to receive it
Please answer my question first JD.
What does your LOVE scripture have to do with The Day
of the Lord?
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:15:20 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Judy. Actually, I was simply quoting a
scripture - one that you probably never use - and asking a
question as to the
Lance, upon reading David's post below, exhibits 'cranial density' his own
self. Though I'd thought we would be further ahead, we're not. Why not
submit this to David Miller for a rewrite? He's good at that sort of thing
:).
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When I counsel someone, Judy, do you know how I know that the opportunity is over -- for absolute certain? When they quit coming to the meetings. We should never (or, at least, very seldom) decide for the "sinner" when time enough has been spent. The carnality of the believer often takes long
Excellent comments, Judy. I think you are really hitting a home run
with these points.
I'm all for ministering to sinners and the sick, but my idea of ministry is
solutions and healing, not a hospital club of sick and dying folk. I have
remarked to my congregation here several times that
Dave, I see the gates of hell as a metaphor in the same way as let the dead
bury the dead is a metaphor. There is spiritual warfare going on as
described in the book of Daniel (esp. chapters 10 11). The gates of hell
refer to the strongholds of Satan in this world system, and when Jesus says
I initiated this conversation . Judy. You should be answering my question. But, no prob. I do not mind being responsible for what I believe.
Contextually -- the passage in John has nothing to do with the "day of the Lord." In Christ, we escape judgment that has to do with destiny. In Christ we
As, "context" has nothing to do wtih whoi wrote what? I give up
Jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:25:45 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy, you seem to see "sinister" where none exists.
I wrote nothing
As George Carlin once said concerning the many variations of the word
'flammable' a thing either flams or, it doesn't. Now, as to your
expression, 'technically, they are not believers',..they are or they are not
believers, David. Your, and it is 'your', 'instant' theology would need some
John wrote:
In Christ we are not judged.
How do you reconcile this idea with the following passage?
2 Corinthians 5:10-11
(10) For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every
one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done,
whether it be good
Good for Leisa, I am glad she is learning the ways of
the Lord while she is so young, children raised in
godly homes have such an advantage. My mother
didn't walk in that kind of faith but she would not cave to
sickness too easily and she taught us not to pamper
ourselves or give in to it -
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:01:10 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When I counsel someone, Judy, do you know how I know that the opportunity
is over -- for absolute certain?
When they quit coming to the meetings.
I guess so JD; if they are not present then there is
noone there to
Hello Everyone,
I recently joined truth talk and just wanted to introduce myself. My name
is Conor Mancone. I'll be graduating from the University of Florida in a few
short months with two degrees, one in physics and another in astronomy. For
those of you who care for a little background,
Welcome Conor (Group hug)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 16, 2006 16:05
Subject: [TruthTalk] Hello
Hello Everyone,
I recently joined truth talk and just wanted to introduce myself. My
name
is Conor Mancone. I'll be
Yes , I charge for the sessions -- $45 for an hour and 20 minutes. I try to work myself out of a job within 6 sessions but will "coach" (read:disciple) them afterwards. I used to offer the help for no charge -- no one took me serious until they were vested in the program. If they run
Judy -- did you forget??
By way of reminder I post a second time: "
Hi Judy. Actually, I was simply quoting a scripture - one that you probably never use - and asking a question as to the source of this love; does it come from God to us (thus DRIVING OUT fear) or does it come from us (and fear
Welcome to TT Conor
Glad to have you and thanks for sharing about
yourself. judyt
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Hello
Everyone, I recently joined truth talk and just
wanted to introduce myself. My nameis Conor Mancone. I'll be
graduating from the University of Florida in a fewshort months with two
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:36:05 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy -- did you forget??
No, but when my husband takes over the computer
with his pie charts I need to back off for a while, so
love and fear had to wait.
By way of reminder I post a second time: "
Hi Judy.
How IYO does the "pastoral counseling" that you
offerdiffer from the secular kind and what kind of problems
are you confronted with JD? judyt
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:44:46 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes , I charge for the sessions
-- $45 for an hour and 20
minutes.
Hi Conor. Welcome to TruthTalk. Thanks for sharing about yourself.
You mentioned that you were raised Catholic. Are you Catholic now? Are you
able to share the Catholic perspective with us on issues?
David Miller.
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that
DAVEH: Welcome to TT, Conor! I do hope you enjoy your stay here
BTWHave you ever had any experience moderating an email
forum??? ;-)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I recently joined truth talk and just wanted to introduce myself. My name
is Conor Mancone.
myth
[jt insists that'truth is Jesus
Christ';
Conor says he is a college
student,not Jesus Christ;
therefore, both quite rationally
implicitly,(a) 'liar is
whom'?]
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:49:11 -0500 Judy
Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
thanks for sharing
aboutyourself
The gates of hell
refer to the strongholds of Satan in this world system,
DAVEH: As you may know, I don't quite see it that way. In support of
my position, let me offer...
[Wis 16:13] For thou hast power of life and death: thou leadest to
the gates of hell, and bringest up again.
DAVEH: Could that have been a typo, G..perhaps you meant.. mirth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
myth
[jt insists that'truth is Jesus
Christ';
Conor says he is a
college student,not Jesus Christ;
therefore, both quite
rationally implicitly,(a) 'liar is whom'?]
On
onecould allow for that,
Bro,partic since it ain't a copyrighted comment :)
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:34:19 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: Could that have been a typo, G..perhaps you
meant.. mirth[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
myth
[jt* insists
In my opinion, it is not "pastoral" if it is secular -- they are mutually exclusive ideas. That does not mean there is no value in the secular. I fully believe in the good work of research in this field (pyschology), There is much that we humans have in common -- but the reactions to any number
..yet
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:44:46 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
onecould allow for that,
Bro,partic since it ain't a copyrighted comment :)
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:34:19 -0800 Dave
Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: Could that
have been a typo, G..perhaps
Welcome, Conor to the deep side. You have caught us in a good moment. Enjoy your stay. I am sure we would encourage you to contribute. Don't let criticism (on this forum) effect your sense of humor.
jd
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myth
[jt insists
Lance, in all kindness may I submit to you the possibility that YOU might be
the one with the cranial density problem? I found DM's statement to be
quite lucid. izzy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006
Hi and Welcome Conor! Would you please be our new Moderator? :-) Izzy
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Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:06 PM
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DAVEH: Hmmm.apparently another typo, G. I suspect you
meant.nyet
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nyet
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
..yet
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:44:46 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
onecould allow for
that, Bro,partic since it ain't a
DAVEH: Was that a typo, Bishop? Perhaps you meant..Don't let cynicism
(on this forum) effect your sense of humor. ;-)
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Welcome, Conor to the deep side. You have caught us in a good
moment. Enjoy your stay. I am sure we would encourage you to
contribute.
Col 3:3 -- our very lives are hid in Christ. God looks to the righteousness of Christ and it is in this righteousness that we are hidden.
Christ's sacrifice is once and for all time -- emphasis here on "once." It is offered only once because in that offering our sins are fully remitted (Heb
Yes DH - more the point than my comment !!
jd
-- Original message -- From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: Was that a typo, Bishop? Perhaps you meant..Don't let cynicism (on this forum) effect your sense of humor. ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Welcome, Conor
JD
2 Cor 5:10.11 is written by the same apostle as the
scriptures you have posted below and believe me he never ever speaksout of both sides of his mouth ATST -
this is our problem - not hisbecause 2 Cor 5:10,11 was written by the
inspiration of the Holy Spirit and it stands.
Trying to
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