Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-09 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/9/2004 1:55:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: we get in to in these "Trinity" discussions arise not because of the threeness idea of the Trinity but because of the oneness idea we have about "God." Another new guy on the list. Hi. I am thinking that

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-09 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/9/2004 4:05:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you willing to go that far? Absolutely. Understand that I (we?) are not talking about the sinful use of unbiblical wording. Trinity is a good word, I suppose --- but it is not biblical. Person, as you so

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-09 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/9/2004 5:11:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The answer now, it seems to me, is not to trash the language -- as if that will make the controversy go away -- but to learn how to speak it in a way that is both historically and biblically accurate, while

Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 4:18:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Welcome to TT John Smithson, you write in part: "I am educated by the Word; I am entertained by history." Truly wisdom from above, judyt Hi judyt: i am thinking we agree. Right? God bless and I am

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:21:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: I hope you don't mind my intrusion, John. First.welcome to TT and this thread. it is great to speak with you [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with "person" (and I have used this many

Re: [TruthTalk] The Last Days

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 12:01:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JS' What is JS John -- the new guy

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:21:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:26:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a great line Is that original? Can I steal it? Terry Yes but can have it --- send the anticipated revenues to my worship therapist - I am musically challenged. It is so bad that on one occasion,

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy + everyone

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 6:17:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A little less hyperbole, a little less certainty, might go a long way. When you equate your statement(s) of the truth with the Truth Himself you're already moving away from the Truth. Lance By this phrase

Re: [TruthTalk] The value of history

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 6:27:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin has made several arguments about how the Book of Mormon has no historical basis and therefore should not be trusted. If we accept the idea that history has entertainment value but not educational

Re: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 6:42:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perry wrote: I must say that I am in the same camp as Kevin with respect to not seeing Mel Gibson's movie. My position is that it is not "the Passion"... it is an RCC commentary about "the Passion".

Re: [TruthTalk] Pearls before swine?

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 11:51:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In New Mexico there is a stone in the side of a mountain with the 10 Commandments carved in the ancient Hebrew script that hasn't been used since around the time of Messiah. Where would we get

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 12:45:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does that mean you would have been in the Coliseum cheering as Christians were being fed to the Lions? That is history. Is that the kind of entertainment you are looking for? If I left the list without

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Language-Including The Bible

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 1:02:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the Nicene fathers. Get it? They are the ones who invented the word "person" to express what their language could not otherwise say about the Godhead and Jesus Christ. Sorry judyt for cutting in BUT is Bill

Re: [TruthTalk] The Last Days

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
Hi everyone. This is funny to me but , I sat down, opened all the mail from this list, post three or four replies and emptied my mail box. I immedicately exited the email and re-entered just to see if anything had post while I working on your (you all) articles. THERE WERE 20 new emails. Man oh

Re: [TruthTalk] The value of history

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 3:21:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Answer this and maybe I can better understand where you are coming from. Look, I think we are having a semantics problem here more than anything. In its context, I stand by what I said. Now, if the context

Re: [TruthTalk] Astronomers pinpoint time and date of crucifixion

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 3:47:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What will take the place of denominations? In the Bible there is the church local and the church universal but exactly where is the church denominational? Has there ever been a time on earth without

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 4:23:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine: Kevin is right about the apostacies, wrong about the credibility of the witnessing. The 12 men never denied their testimonies, even after they had apostasized. Most, including two of the three

Re: [TruthTalk] The value of history

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:13:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you get if you've done both? go to heaven? John

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:17:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You seem to know a quite a bit about the Restoration denomination, John. Where did you pick this up? Bill I ministered in that fellowship for a number of years. I now proudly serve my Lord as a

Re: [TruthTalk] The value of history

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:20:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: think I figured it out. Some wise ass who thinks he knows it all. good one Some will jump on you for the "a .." word but I am sure you meant it in the biblical sense. John

Re: [TruthTalk] The Last Days

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:49:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Sorry John..I sometimes forget there a lot of new folks in TT now. Joseph Smith. thank you john

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:55:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are probably right about one thing, the Southern Baptists would not believe anything they had not heard inculcated into their minds by tradition, repetition, and the fear of the boys with the hoods who

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Language-Including The Bible

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 6:04:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Take a pill, Bill. I was not trying to tee you off. No, I am not saying that. Read again, deliberately this time, the whole Trinitarian conversation from the time I got involved in it and maybe what I did

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 6:28:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the way the High Priests and the 'priesthood' as you have it, was introduced into the Church of Christ almost two years after its beginning--and after we had baptized and confirmed about two thousand

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 6:28:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Campbellite This designation existed only in the minds of those Prebyterian and Baptist of the day (1800's). There is no such thing as a "Campbellite." John

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 6:28:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: More likely these associations: The information that follows your words above is or good be very use to my notion that Restoration teaching influenced Mormonism. Thanks. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 8:09:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I grew up hearing that, too. I guess that makes us Stoneys. Brother meet they brother !!! Pardon me for being a little slow, but, the several emails you posted -- I am assuming they establish the full

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
Good job, vince, I am saving most of this information. To our Mormon buds, I re-ask a question. Someone posted the notion that that there is some stone in Mexico with the ten commandments written on it and so on. Is that just a fantasy to be accpted without proof or is there some supporting

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 8:22:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry I tensed up on you. Sometimes this is all too exacerbating. No problem. I am a pretty aggressive guy myself -- I get to say "I'm sorry" much more often than I get to say "guess that makes right

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
WARNING I was saving some infor from B Taylor and my computer got hit with a virus or somekind of spywear. I have Norton -- just put it into my machine last week. It killed it -- but beware. I am not saying it was Bill's email -- could be anyone's. It is a distressing thought but if you spend

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
Kevin: more information for my "save" file. Thanks. To the Mormons buds: In regard to the American Indians - are they Jews? John

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 8:47:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have Norton too, John, and my provider checks every transaction through McAfee. I am sorry you got hit. I do not think it was me. Do you know how I might check to make sure? Bill I am really ignorant

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 9:22:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about those people that make the soup? Sorry, I could not resist. I love this group. There are so many really clever comments and just good stuff. The soup thing -- funny but it also reminded me

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 10:26:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: then we become one with them as we become one with their purpose. Actually, I we believe we become "one with them" because of shared existence -- God becomes a part of us through indwelling and, hence, we

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/10/2004 10:47:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only thing that sends Judas to hell, then, is Judas, if indeed Judas finally rejected Jesus Christ. That's how I read it. Bill Looks like a tie. Bill is right. We individually bear the

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 12:36:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..From this, cannot one conclude that those filled with the Holy Spirit of God are OF GOD, and capable of seeing God? Do you disagree, John? Hello DAVEL : I am not sure why this is important to you.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mel Gibson's Movie

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 1:54:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've actually seen the movie and I agree with Perry The only thing I saw while viewing the movie was my own worthlessness. John

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 6:57:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you saying that 'we become a part of God' as in God is the ocean and we are one drop judyt: there is absolutely nothing new age about me, including my clothing. In my post I referred to Spirit

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 6:57:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: Judas did confess to the sanhedrin that he had betrayed 'innocent blood' and he tried to give back the 30pcs of silver It wasn't enough. He should have dealt with God. Too early to go to the throne of

Re: [TruthTalk] Arius the heretic?

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 8:12:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj:[TruthTalk] Arius the heretic? Date:3/11/2004 8:12:09 AM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Barr) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \o/

Re: [TruthTalk] Arius the heretic?

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 9:13:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That was NEW Mexico, John. How can you guys arrive at any Truth at all when you do not even relate simple facts accurately Got it. New Mexico. And what verification did you give for this discovery? John

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 10:39:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only way humans can perhaps change the destiny provided them in Christ's finished and perfected work, is to finally refuse their adoption in Christ. This I very much believe. An absolutely great

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 8:58:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you saying that 'we become a part of God' as in God is the ocean and we are one drop We have received the same glory that was given to Christ for

Re: J.D. -- Re: [TruthTalk] Arius the heretic?

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 4:12:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You sure you're up to it? Give it a shot, funny boy. Isn't it funny, though, that truth is truth whether YOU know it or have verification about it or not? Works the same for false teachings. Pretty

Re: J.D. -- Re: [TruthTalk] Arius the heretic?

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 4:27:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Besides, what's the big deal about proof of Hebrew existence in the early Western Hemisphere to someone who doesn't even really know who the Hebrew Messiah is or what He taught? You talking about me or

Re: [TruthTalk] Mel Gibson's Movie

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 8:48:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've actually seen the movie and I agree with Perry judeyt: I intend on answering this but later this evening. It is an important question and I want to give it as good an answer

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 4:57:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Doesn't the Bible say express image of his PERSON? II Cor 2:10 -- there you go. John

Re: J.D. -- Re: [TruthTalk] Arius the heretic?

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 5:20:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: don't know what you are talking about there, John Speaking of not being able to follow along, we were t;alomg about this stone found in New Mexico with the 10 big ones on it. As far as I know, that is a

Re: [TruthTalk] Mel Gibson's Movie

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 4:50:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've actually seen the movie and I agree with Perry This is the email I lost. Help judyt Thanks , John

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 6:42:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Smithson wrote: II Cor 2:10 -- there you go. I think he meant Heb. 1:3. Actually I meant II Cor. 2:10 -- KJV translates "persons" when all other translations use something else - "presence" for the

Re: J.D. -- Re: [TruthTalk] Arius the heretic?

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 5:38:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Was it you that made a big deal about the kkk and the Baptist? No comment from Chris Barr. Mormons are the only American religion I know that band blacks from leadership as a matter of church dogma.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mel Gibson's Movie

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 8:48:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: I've read that this is a common response and this surprises me since so many evangelicals and other denominational ppl are promoting this movie by purchasing big blocks of tickets, as well as attending,

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 9:17:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: OK then.apparently you do believe he can be seen. That is basically what I've said I believe. of course. By the way, I am not a Protestant. DAVEH: Do you subscribe to any denomination, sect

Re: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 9:44:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm surprised you were offended by this. Do you have a Church of Christ background? Perry -- there are other Stonies on this list. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Uh, DRUM ROLL please ...

2004-03-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 8:36:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.unitedisrael.org/loslunas.html Give me a sec. I might have to convert. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 4:36:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You missed an absolutely fascinating discussion on this very topic a few days ago. Maybe you can pick it up on TT's webpage. Anyway, thanks again. Bill Beans! How did I miss it? How do I get to the

Re: [TruthTalk] Mel Gibson's Movie

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 10:36:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Thanx John. Many other TTers have also previously done likewise, but I think most have now given up hope and consider me lost forever. I appreciate your concern, though I disagree with your goal.

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/11/2004 11:29:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Thanx for the offer, John. At this point in time, I don't think I am comfortable with understanding grace as you apparently must Why not? The scriptures and biblical references to grace verses law

Re: [TruthTalk] Just for John

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 3:19:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for black and "American religions" ... again, the Mormons were at least out in the open and honest ... other churches banned blacks from leadership in practice but just didn't mention it in their dogma.

Re: DAVEH -- Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 3:40:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Church of Christ ... just like JS when he started. Hey -- so you're a fellow Stonie? Awesome. John

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 5:18:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, well, that should be about enough to tee you all off :) My blood is boiling even as you speak. Its great. Bring it on. (just kidding) John

Re: [TruthTalk] Mel Gibson's Movie

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 6:09:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOL, John. You are really funny. hehe Rise! I am but a man. John ( I actually say this a lot to my wife IShe keeps saying that she needs no further reminder.)

Re: [TruthTalk] Schoolyard conversations

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 7:44:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: O Ya? Well my dad (my TRUTH) can beat up your dad (your TRUTH). Can I get an AMEN? Not til agfter you meet my dad! Actually amen. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Mel Gibson's Movie

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 11:45:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm glad that I can contribute something here. :) vincent j fulton Me too. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Just for John

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 11:45:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a delight to see good grammar (or is that syntax?) . Say who? John

Re: [TruthTalk] The value of history

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 1:23:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everybody has been impacted by those who have gone before us. True but this does not mean that we are, therefore, incapable of arriving at conclusions that "given" to us apart from this history. if

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 9:36:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Antichrist is the Man of sin son of perdition: 2 Thes 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son

Re: [TruthTalk] Uh, DRUM ROLL please ...

2004-03-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 9:50:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did anyone notice the dots / periods after some of the sentences? This looks a little fishy to me. Actually, this is a very good observation. It is also interesting to me that God gave the wording, the

Re: [TruthTalk] Comments on Luke 2.52

2004-03-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/12/2004 10:39:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you kind of get what I'm saying? I hope you do, because it speaks to what I like about you. I'm not advocating error, but I want to go to that abounding grace. I think that's where we find Christ. Don't

Re: [TruthTalk] Comments on Luke 2.52

2004-03-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/13/2004 7:20:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a remarkably transparent email!! All should undertake to pray for this meeting today with his son. Blessings, Lance Actually, I will be at his house on Sunday evening. He and I will be together all of

Re: [TruthTalk] The Incarnation

2004-03-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/13/2004 8:16:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (All scripture citations below are from RSV) judyt: vince gave you 11 scriptures (and there are two or three times that many). You seem to have disposed of them fairly easily by quoting one scripture.

Re: [TruthTalk] Comments on Luke 2.52

2004-03-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/13/2004 10:12:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Malachi he says "I am the Lord, I change not" Actually, judyt, you apparently misquoted this verse. Apparently it says, I am the Lord, I change not my mind." It is scripture that tells us that the Lord

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Nothing obtuse here Amen

2004-03-22 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2004 6:00:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not a quick study, so I couldn't digest others' chat and reply in real time. I need time to compose a response. Hello and I am back from the wonderful and very liberal state of Washington. I did take

Re: [TruthTalk] the conscience

2004-03-22 Thread Knpraise
Some thoughts on the conscience? I am beginning a process that will allow a research paper on the conscience. As an avocation, I am still involved in pastoring -- as a pastoral counselor. The biblical message has high regard for the conscience of man while modern psychology does not. As a

Re: [TruthTalk] the conscience

2004-03-22 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/22/2004 8:54:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, What do you mean by reestablished? Do you mean that someone initially had a conscience, and then it went away, and now you want it reestablish it? Seems like I heard of a Christian speaker who

Re: [TruthTalk] the conscience

2004-03-22 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/22/2004 9:02:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, you may wish to review the following book: Thank you , Charles Perry. John

Re: [TruthTalk] the conscience

2004-03-22 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/22/2004 9:13:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, Here is just one review article I found on PubMed: J Clin Child Adolesc Psychol. 2004 Mar;33(1):54-68. Izzy --- I am in love. Thanks. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-23 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/23/2004 5:38:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you like looking for him in all the wrong places, how about checking him out or his truth at a Witches Coven? I really don't intend to get involved in this discussion BUT it is obvious to me that

Re: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/23/2004 6:52:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, Funny you would bring up GlasserI stumbled upon his theories in nursing school, and he made more sense than all the others put together. He acted as if there was no such thing as insanity and treated

Re: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/23/2004 7:46:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks, John. Welcome Back. And you get a smiley face {:) Hey, you mentioned an interest in conscience theory, and you expressed your opposition to secular psychology. Do you have Ed Bulkley, Why

Re: [TruthTalk] All truth leads to Jesus.

2004-03-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/24/2004 5:50:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope youll stay. Izzy Ditto John Smithson

Re: [TruthTalk] Strawman gets the Bird

2004-03-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/24/2004 4:31:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. (Prov.13:22) Sometimes that wealth is a discovery or a method that works. Izzy Very well stated. I am and have been a disciple for 47 years ---

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/24/2004 7:32:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your comments actually show your almost total ignorance of the subject of Astrology--I could say much more, but will suffice for now. two things: I'll bet (and I am a betting man) that vince is somewhat

Re: [TruthTalk] All truth leads to Jesus.

2004-03-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/24/2004 1:14:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "I AM A PHARISEE" not "I was a Pharisee." In addition to this observation, Paul did not leave behind the practice of Old Covenant Law. Let's not forget that he went thru temple purification (Acts 21).

Re: [TruthTalk] All truth leads to Jesus.

2004-03-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/24/2004 6:47:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was raised in a denomination with a social gospel which was death to me. What we call the "social gospel" is not without merit as I read Isa 58:9-11. Romans 2:18ff shows that there is at least a second

Re: [TruthTalk] All truth leads to Jesus.

2004-03-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/25/2004 1:01:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What we call the "social gospel" is not without merit as I read Isa 58:9-11. Romans 2:18ff shows that there is at least a second path to God other than preaching the gospel. John jt: No John, there is

Re: [TruthTalk] All truth leads to Jesus.

2004-03-26 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/25/2004 10:10:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Romans 2:18ff shows that there is at least a second path to God other than preaching the gospel. John jt: No John, there is just one way/door and this is through Christ and by repentance. Romans 2:12ff

Re: [TruthTalk] sayonara

2004-03-26 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/26/2004 7:40:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: vincent j fulton For me, I think we did have something in common. This list is an opportunity to not only express our views, but to listen and learn. I came to believe that you were much more the seasoned

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-26 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/26/2004 9:47:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Our faith should not rest in Church history. Why do you say that God's grace and the blood of the lamb are the answer to all the mess. Do you think that God will validate all of the things you mention above

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-27 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/27/2004 4:36:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not without repentance which means the sinner must consciously repent of and turn from their sin. What happens to the fellow who is not aware of his sin? The flow of the blood doesn't work until he, the

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-27 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/27/2004 5:04:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: Where would you come up with an idea like that? You can not be Mormon/Christian any more than you can be Jew/Christian. Regarding the Jew/Christian thing: read Acts 21. More than that -- virtually all

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Academics

2004-03-27 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/27/2004 5:59:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, What is your sons specialty? Izzy Right now he is hinking ER J

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-27 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/27/2004 8:40:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow. There are so many things we disagree on. Pick ONE of the following and stay with it, judy. I will respond to all your commits -- which I never do. But to illustrate just how far apart we are, here I

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-27 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/27/2004 5:23:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Get over it John Be nice, Kevin. I am. John, a brother in Christ

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: **Private Correspondence**

2004-03-27 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/27/2004 4:35:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You would have known this if you would have read the same quote that John was referencing. Amen John

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Demonic vs Normal

2004-03-27 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/27/2004 7:42:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whatever John 17 is about it ain't about this. Lance Exactly. But there is unity among many on this list. Focus on that. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer request.

2004-03-27 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/27/2004 7:14:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear TruthTalkers, I suggest we spend the rest of this day praying for TruthTalk, and doing spiritual warfare against demonic spirits being sent to cause contention, strife, rudeness and accusations.

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-27 Thread Knpraise
judyt writes: Do you understand the new covenant promise in Jeremiah 31:34 (and other places) that becomes activated by faith in Christ? No. What "activated" the New Covenant was the blood of Christ. Perhaps you should read Jeremiah 31:31-34. The New is totally different from the Old. Sins

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-27 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/27/2004 5:32:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: concentrate for the same length of time on revealing ourselves to others in an effort to get to know one another more intimately, like brothers and sisters are supposed to. Let's start with something easy,

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