Re: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question
DAVEH: ModeratorModerator.HELP keep G under control. Now he's using canada without capitalizing it! (AndI don't think canada was meant to have a c on both ends!!!) =-O [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: beon guard, o canada On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:18:09 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave[H]:You appear rather exercised over this matter. Why is this such a 'hot button' issue for you?.. || -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question
Dave:You appear rather exercised over this matter. Why is this such a 'hot button' issue for you? IFO don't believe Gary to be violating any copyright laws. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 15, 2006 23:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question DAVEH: I didn't deal with BD personallymy nephew did. It seems to me that if anybody would request permission or asking whether or not posting it on TT is in violation, it should be the guy posting the copyrighted material.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes [E.g., you know Bob Dylan to some degree (didn't you say he's got one of your leather jackets?); perhaps write, through his internet site,and askhim to check out the TT archives for a© violation ( let us know what he says:)] On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:24:38 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:"[is] copyrightedmaterial.. freely available [through [EMAIL PROTECTED]?]"-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question
beon guard, o canada© On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:18:09 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave[H]:You appear rather exercised over this matter. Why is this such a 'hot button' issue for you?.. ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question
DaveH asks Gary: You've repeatedly posted copyright material on TT. Doesn't that violate copyright restrictions? I'm not a lawyer, Dave, but my understanding is that there is no problem with copying portions of an author's material for noncommercial use. The copyright laws are meant to protect the author from Gary going out and trying to make money off of the author's work. There also would be another problem, and that is if Gary's activity somehow hurt the author's sales. For example, if people did not need to buy the author's work because Gary provided it to them free of charge. Posting lyrics to songs on TruthTalk does not damage the author from my perspective. If anything, it might provide free advertising for him, maybe even help his sales if people get interested in the author's work because of what Gary has posted. The bottom line is that one must look at whether or not any damage is done to the author when copying his material. David Miller -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question
It is my understanding that you may post - print PORTIONS not complete works.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DaveH asks Gary: You've repeatedly posted copyright material on TT. Doesn't that violate copyright restrictions?I'm not a lawyer, Dave, but my understanding is that there is no problem with copying portions of an author's material for noncommercial use. The copyright laws are meant to protect the author from Gary going out and trying to make money off of the author's work. There also would be another problem, and that is if Gary's activity somehow hurt the author's sales. For example, if people did not need to buy the author's work because Gary provided it to them free of charge. Posting lyrics to songs on TruthTalk does not damage the author from my perspective. If anything, it might provide free advertising for him, maybe even help his sales if people get interested in the author's work because of what Gary has posted. The bottom line is that one must look at whether or not any damage is done to the author when copying his material.David Miller--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question
And I think that you can duplicate what is written if you do not profit from it and/or it is not duplicated as a course of business (as a church does with their singing or a buisness does with the birthday song -- have you noticed that no business actually sings "Happy birthday to you .." It is because of the stinking law.) What G does is not in view. My Son is a worhsip leader and has his own band --- I will ask him. He will know because he is a State and Valley wrestling champion who sings. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is my understanding that you may post - print PORTIONS not complete works.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DaveH asks Gary: You've repeatedly posted copyright material on TT. Doesn't that violate copyright restrictions?I'm not a lawyer, Dave, but my understanding is that there is no problem with copying portions of an author's material for noncommercial use. The copyright laws are meant to protect the author from Gary going out and trying to make money off of the author's work.. There also would be another problem, and that is if Gary's activity somehow hurt the author's sales. For example, if people did not need to buy the author's work because Gary provided it to them free of charge. Posting lyrics to songs on TruthTalk does not damage the author from my perspective. If anything, it might provide free advertising for him, maybe even help his sales if people get interested in the author's work because of what Gary has posted. The bottom line is that one must look at whether or not any damage is done to the author when copying his material.David Miller--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question
DAVEH: Responding to Kevin.It seemed to me that he posted the entire text of each song. Responding to KevinI think you are wrong about that. If you wrote a book, the law would allow me to quote very small portions of it in a review I might post. However, if I were to post the whole book, even though I were not making any money from it, you would be harmed because a reader would be able to know what I was thinking without buying the book from you. FurthermoreI think the music industry is particularly sensitive to protecting copyrighted material right now. ButAs always, I may be wrong :-) Kevin Deegan wrote: It is my understanding that you may post - print PORTIONS not complete works. David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DaveH asks Gary: You've repeatedly posted copyright material on TT. Doesn't that violate copyright restrictions? I'm not a lawyer, Dave, but my understanding is that there is no problem with copying portions of an author's material for noncommercial use. The copyright laws are meant to protect the author from Gary going out and trying to make money off of the author's work. There also would be another problem, and that is if Gary's activity somehow hurt the author's sales. For example, if people did not need to buy the author's work because Gary provided it to them free of charge. Posting lyrics to songs on TruthTalk does not damage the author from my perspective. If anything, it mi ght provide free advertising for him, maybe even help his sales if people get interested in the author's work because of what Gary has posted. The bottom line is that one must look at whether or not any damage is done to the author when copying his material. David Miller -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question
yes [E.g., you know Bob Dylan to some degree (didn't you say he's got one of your leather jackets?); perhaps write, through his internet site,and askhim to check out the TT archives for a© violation ( let us know what he says:)] On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:24:38 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:"[is] copyrightedmaterial.. freely available [through [EMAIL PROTECTED]?]"
Re: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question
Go to your favorite copy store tell them you want to copy one page of this copyrighted booklet. See what happensCopyright protects the right to copy and or distrubute among other things What we have been discussing is called "FAIR USE" The more you copy the less likely it will be considered FAIR In addition to be FAIR it must offer some other value than being just a copy. EG Educational or commentary http://www.umuc.edu/library/copy.htmlDave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Responding to Kevin.It seemed to me that he posted the entire text of each song. Responding to KevinI think you are wrong about that. If you wrote a book, the law would allow me to quote very small portions of it in a review I might post. However, if I were to post the whole book, even though I were not making any money from it, you would be harmed because a reader would be able to know what I was thinking without buying the book from you. FurthermoreI think the music industry is particularly sensitive to protecting copyrighted material right now. ButAs always, I may be wrong :-) Kevin Deegan wrote: It is my understanding that you may post - print PORTIONS not complete works.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DaveH asks Gary: You've repeatedly posted copyright material on TT. Doesn't that violate copyright restrictions?I'm not a lawyer, Dave, but my understanding is that there is no problem with copying portions of an author's material for noncommercial use. The copyright laws are meant to protect the author from Gary going out and trying to make money off of the author's work. There also would be another problem, and that is if Gary's activity somehow hurt the author's sales. For example, if people did not need to buy the author's work because Gary provided it to them free of charge. Posting lyrics to songs on TruthTalk does not damage the author from my perspective. If anything, it mi ght provide free advertising for him, maybe even help his sales if people get interested in the author's work because of what Gary has posted. The bottom line is that one must look at whether or not any damage is done to the author when copying his material.David Miller-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
RE: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question
Kevin, you can Google the lyrics to any song. I just found the lyrics to Carrie Underwoods Jesus Take the Wheel. (Love it!) iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 6:52 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question It is my understanding that you may post - print PORTIONS not complete works. David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DaveH asks Gary: You've repeatedly posted copyright material on TT. Doesn't that violate copyright restrictions? I'm not a lawyer, Dave, but my understanding is that there is no problem with copying portions of an author's material for noncommercial use. The copyright laws are meant to protect the author from Gary going out and trying to make money off of the author's work. There also would be another problem, and that is if Gary's activity somehow hurt the author's sales. For example, if people did not need to buy the author's work because Gary provided it to them free of charge. Posting lyrics to songs on TruthTalk does not damage the author from my perspective. If anything, it might provide free advertising for him, maybe even help his sales if people get interested in the author's work because of what Gary has posted. The bottom line is that one must look at whether or not any damage is done to the author when copying his material. David Miller -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question
DAVEH: Thanx for posting that link, Kevin. There are several points they make that would seem pertinent to posting copyrighted song lyrics Is the new work merely a copy of the original? If it is simply a copy, it is not as likely to be considered fair use. Is the work factual or artistic? The more a work tends toward artistic _expression_, the less likely it will be considered fair use. The more you use, the less likely it will be considered fair use. Does the amount you use exceed a reasonable expectation? If it approaches 50 percent of the entire work, it is likely to be considered an unfair use of the copyrighted work. Is the particular portion used likely to adversely affect the author's economic gain? If you use the "heart" or "essence" of a work, it is less likely your use will be considered fair. What Can Be Copied? A chapter from a book (never the entire book). An article from a periodical or newspaper. A short story, essay, or poem. One work is the norm whether it comes from an individual work or an anthology. The same copyright protections exist for the author of a work regardless of whether the work is in a database, CD-ROM, bulletin board, or on the Internet. If you make a copy from an electronic source, such as the Internet or WWW, for your personal use, it is likely to be seen as fair use. However, if you make a copy and put it on your personal WWW site, it less likely to be considered fair use. The Internet IS NOT the public domain. There are both uncopyrighted and copyrighted materials available. Assume a work is copyrighted. Music, lyrics, and music video: up to 10 percent of the work but no more than 30 seconds of the music or lyrics from an individual musical work. 1996-2004 University of Maryland University College 3501 University Blvd. East Adelphi, Maryland 20783 USA ...Hope I didn't violate any copyrights quoting the above! :-( Kevin Deegan wrote: Go to your favorite copy store tell them you want to copy one page of this copyrighted booklet. See what happens Copyright protects the right to copy and or distrubute among other things What we have been discussing is called "FAIR USE" The more you copy the less likely it will be considered FAIR In addition to be FAIR it must offer some other value than being just a copy. EG Educational or commentary http://www.umuc.edu/library/copy.html Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Responding to Kevin.It seemed to me that he posted the entire text of each song. Responding to KevinI think you are wrong about that. If you wrote a book, the law would allow me to quote very small portions of it in a review I might post. However, if I were to post the whole book, even though I were not making any money from it, you would be harmed because a reader would be able to know what I was thinking without buying the book from you. FurthermoreI think the music industry is particularly sensitive to protecting copyrighted material right now. ButAs always, I may be wrong :-) Kevin Deegan wrote: It is my understanding that you may post - print PORTIONS not complete works. David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DaveH asks Gary: You've repeatedly posted copyright material on TT. Doesn't that violate copyright restrictions? I'm not a lawyer, Dave, but my understanding is that there is no problem with copying portions of an author's material for noncommercial use. The copyright laws are meant to protect the author from Gary going out and trying to make money off of the author's work. There also would be another problem, and that is if Gary's activity somehow hurt the author's sales. For example, if people did not need to buy the author's work because Gary provided it to them free of charge. Posting lyrics to songs on TruthTalk does not damage the author from my perspective. If anything, it mi ght provide free advertising for him, maybe even help his sales if people get interested in the author's work because of what Gary has posted. The bottom line is that one must look at whether or not any damage is done to the author when copying his material. David Miller -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question
DAVEH: I didn't deal with BD personallymy nephew did. It seems to me that if anybody would request permission or asking whether or not posting it on TT is in violation, it should be the guy posting the copyrighted material. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes [E.g., you know Bob Dylan to some degree (didn't you say he's got one of your leather jackets?); perhaps write, through his internet site,and askhim to check out the TT archives for a violation ( let us know what he says:)] On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:24:38 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "[is] copyrightedmaterial.. freely available [through [EMAIL PROTECTED]?]" -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question
Music, lyrics, and music video: up to 10 percent of the work but no more than 30 seconds of the music or lyrics from an individual musical work. No music video's here -- no? -- Original message -- From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: Thanx for posting that link, Kevin. There are several points they make that would seem pertinent to posting copyrighted song lyricsIs the new work merely a copy of the original? If it is simply a copy, it is not as likely to be considered fair use.Is the work factual or artistic? The more a work tends toward artistic _expression_, the less likely it will be considered fair use.The more you use, the less likely it will be considered fair use. Does the amount you use exceed a reasonable expectation? If it approaches 50 percent of the entire work, it is likely to be considered an unfair use of the copyrighted work. Is the particular portion used likely to adversely affect the author's economic gain? If you use the "heart" or "essence" of a work, it is less likely your use will be considered fair. What Can Be Copied?A chapter from a book (never the entire book). An article from a periodical or newspaper. A short story, essay, or poem. One work is the norm whether it comes from an individual work or an anthology.The same copyright protections exist for the author of a work regardless of whether the work is in a database, CD-ROM, bulletin board, or on the Internet. If you make a copy from an electronic source, such as the Internet or WWW, for your personal use, it is likely to be seen as fair use. However, if you make a copy and put it on your personal WWW site, it less likely to be considered fair use. The Internet IS NOT the public domain. There are both uncopyrighted and copyrighted materials available. Assume a work is copyrighted.Music, lyrics, and music video: up to 10 percent of the work but no more than 30 seconds of the music or lyrics from an individual musical work.© 1996-2004 University of Maryland University College3501 University Blvd. EastAde lphi, Maryland 20783 USA...Hope I didn't violate any copyrights quoting the above! :-( Kevin Deegan wrote: Go to your favorite copy store tell them you want to copy one page of this copyrighted booklet. See what happens Copyright protects the right to copy and or distrubute among other things What we have been discussing is called "FAIR USE" The more you copy the less likely it will be considered FAIR In addition to be FAIR it must offer some other value than being just a copy. EG Educational or commentary http://www.umuc.edu/library/copy.htmlDave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Responding to Kevin.It seemed to me that he posted the entire text of each song. Responding to KevinI think you are wrong about that. If you wrote a book, the law would allow me to quote very small portions of it in a review I might post. However, if I were to post the whole book, even though I were not making any money from it, you would be harmed because a reader would be able to know what I was thinking without buying the book from you. FurthermoreI think the music industry is particularly sensitive to protecting copyrighted material right now. ButAs always, I may be wrong :-) Kevin Deegan wrote: It is my understanding that you may post - print PORTIONS not complete works.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DaveH asks Gary: You've repeatedly posted copyright material on TT. Doesn't that violate copyright restrictions?I'm not a lawyer, Dave, but my understanding is that there is no problem with copying portions of an author's material for noncommercial use. The copyright laws are meant to protect the author from Gary going out and trying to make money off of the author's work. There also would be another problem, and that is if Gary's activity somehow hurt the author's sales. For example, if people did not need to buy the author's work because Gary provided it to them free of charge. Posting lyrics to songs on TruthTalk does not damage the author from my perspective. If anything, it mi ght provide free advertising for him, maybe even help his sales if people get interested in the author's work because of what Gary has posted. The bottom line is that one must look at whether or not any damage is done to th e author when copying his material.David Miller-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
