Re: [tryton] About external module and README
On 20 July 2012 08:30, Cédric Krier cedric.kr...@b2ck.com wrote: On 20/07/12 07:46 +0530, Teagarden wrote: On 20-Jul-2012, at 1:54 AM, Cédric Krier cedric.kr...@b2ck.com wrote: On 19/07/12 22:03 +0200, Sergi Almacellas Abellana wrote: Why we don't add tryton.org (or the tryton foundation) in Package Index Owner and Package Index Maintainer to denote an official module? The rest of the modules will have it's own maintainer denoting that it isn't an official module. It makes sense to me. What do you think? Because it doesn't prevent name collision. Name collision seems to be the primary problem we are trying to solve. I agree with the issue and we are ready to move our modules to a *new* naming scheme too, and may be most of us in this community will too, but that doesn't really solve the problem because anybody could still create packages on pypi under the tryton namespace ? And if it is his *intention* to do it, we might have little or no influence over it either. We could have some way to put pression on the bad guys: - Bad advertising - Sue for using the Trademark Tryton … My preferred solution to the problem would be hosting our own pypi which serves the official modules and perhaps the community ones too. The package index could perhaps be regulated by a 'packaging sig', which could arbitrate on name clashes and disputes. I would prefer to not have to do that and stay in the Python community. But in the last resort, it is a solution. This message on the gnu heath mailing list [0] is very timely, and appropriate for this discussion. Do you think package signing and verification would be a good idea on pypi to help eliminate the question of is it an official package? [0] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/health/2012-07/msg00021.html -- Craig 'The first time any man's freedom is trodden on - we are all damaged.' Jean-Luc Picard () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ -- -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] About external module and README
2012/7/18 Cédric Krier cedric.kr...@b2ck.com: It is http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=browseshow=allc=551 I think the problem is modules are available in pypi site, not the module name Raimon -- -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] About external module and README
On 19/07/12 22:31 +0200, Sergi Almacellas Abellana wrote: Al 19/07/12 22:24, En/na Cédric Krier ha escrit: On 19/07/12 22:03 +0200, Sergi Almacellas Abellana wrote: Why we don't add tryton.org (or the tryton foundation) in Package Index Owner and Package Index Maintainer to denote an official module? The rest of the modules will have it's own maintainer denoting that it isn't an official module. It makes sense to me. What do you think? Because it doesn't prevent name collision. Your solution only prevents name collision on the official modules. The collision will exists always in unofficial modules. Except if unofficial also follow a schema. I think B2CK will publish his packages under the prefix b2ck_ because it is the name of the project from where it comes. Let's take an example, if anyone create a package named trytond_hr, there are a lot of chances that one day or an other Tryton will have a module with the same name. We must see the trytond_ as a name space and this name space is devoted to Tryton. To tryton or to tryton related packages? IMHO makes more sense to tryton related packages. When I say Tryton I mean the project/community. By the way having let say a package named b2ck_hr doesn't prevent it to install a module named hr. By the way, I did not yet see any good explaination why non-Tryton packages should be prefixed by trytond_ ? And I did not yet see any good explanation why Tryton packages should not be prefixed by trytond_? - It brings confusion - It will create name collision: We can expect in the long term that there will be more unofficial packages than official. So each time a new official package will be created, its name will part of a long process to find a free name (which could be not the more accurate one). Finally, I would like to remember that if people wants to have a module be part of the official modules. He should join the community and follow the standard process: - blueprint - talks/mailing list - codereview… Otherwise, it could be feel as a hijacking of the project/community. -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgpivbUSHBF7H.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton] About external module and README
On 19 July 2012 21:43, Cédric Krier cedric.kr...@b2ck.com wrote: On 19/07/12 22:31 +0200, Sergi Almacellas Abellana wrote: Al 19/07/12 22:24, En/na Cédric Krier ha escrit: On 19/07/12 22:03 +0200, Sergi Almacellas Abellana wrote: Why we don't add tryton.org (or the tryton foundation) in Package Index Owner and Package Index Maintainer to denote an official module? The rest of the modules will have it's own maintainer denoting that it isn't an official module. It makes sense to me. What do you think? Because it doesn't prevent name collision. Your solution only prevents name collision on the official modules. The collision will exists always in unofficial modules. Except if unofficial also follow a schema. I think B2CK will publish his packages under the prefix b2ck_ because it is the name of the project from where it comes. Let's take an example, if anyone create a package named trytond_hr, there are a lot of chances that one day or an other Tryton will have a module with the same name. We must see the trytond_ as a name space and this name space is devoted to Tryton. To tryton or to tryton related packages? IMHO makes more sense to tryton related packages. When I say Tryton I mean the project/community. By the way having let say a package named b2ck_hr doesn't prevent it to install a module named hr. By the way, I did not yet see any good explaination why non-Tryton packages should be prefixed by trytond_ ? And I did not yet see any good explanation why Tryton packages should not be prefixed by trytond_? - It brings confusion - It will create name collision: We can expect in the long term that there will be more unofficial packages than official. So each time a new official package will be created, its name will part of a long process to find a free name (which could be not the more accurate one). Finally, I would like to remember that if people wants to have a module be part of the official modules. He should join the community and follow the standard process: - blueprint - talks/mailing list - codereview… Otherwise, it could be feel as a hijacking of the project/community. Maybe we should adopt a convention for community pipy package names i.e. trytond_community_packagename I don't believe we can reserve prefixes in pypi so we cant stop those that would choose to hijack the name AFAIK. I think a bigger problem will be the module name collisions at installation, if there is an official trytond_party_bank and a joebloggs_bank and both install modules/party_bank, what will the result be when both are installed? Neither neso or proteus are listed in Framework :: Tryton is this expected? pip search tryton and regular web search for tryton finds those with tryton in the description, so as long as it is in the description it can be found with a trivial and web pip search. -- Craig 'The first time any man's freedom is trodden on - we are all damaged.' Jean-Luc Picard () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ -- -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] About external module and README
On 19/07/12 22:03 +0100, Craig Barnes wrote: Maybe we should adopt a convention for community pipy package names i.e. trytond_community_packagename I find trytond_community also confusing because Tryton is a community. I don't believe we can reserve prefixes in pypi so we cant stop those that would choose to hijack the name AFAIK. Yeps but we could point them as not fair people :-) I think a bigger problem will be the module name collisions at installation, if there is an official trytond_party_bank and a joebloggs_bank and both install modules/party_bank, what will the result be when both are installed? We could expect pip to prevent collisions but from what I find on it it doesn't seem to manage it. (Could be a good improvement) Neither neso or proteus are listed in Framework :: Tryton is this expected? It seems to be a forget. Patch is welcome. -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgpM1rnNIOV0H.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton] About external module and README
On 18/07/12 08:24 +0530, Sharoon Thomas wrote: On Jul 18, 2012, at 4:07 AM, Cédric Krier wrote: And finaly as we have a Tryton classifier, it will be great to not prefix those modules with trytond_ which also could confuse people. Other recommendations are fine, but these modules may still need to use 'trytond_' as a prefix so that python packaging will install the dependencies consistently (Example [1]). I think its good to keep the same convention unless, we decide to complicate __tryton__ metadata with separate standard addons and custom addons which changes the prefix accordingly, or removes it completely. You are free to write your own setup.py. -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgpdFRw2W2sfR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton] About external module and README
On 18/07/12 17:02 +0200, Raimon Esteve wrote: 2012/7/18 Cédric Krier cedric.kr...@b2ck.com: And finaly as we have a Tryton classifier, it will be great to not prefix those modules with trytond_ which also could confuse people. We like trytond prefix because all tryton server modules are group same prefix. For example, Django modules/app add django prefix. With trytond prefix, group all modules from tryton server (visual list dir) Ok but I think we will have trouble in the future because we will have names collision. Or we could ask to put a prefix/suffix. -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgp5HxiyDbY0z.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton] About external module and README
Ok but I think we will have trouble in the future because we will have names collision. IMHO, I don't like company prefix same as openerp modules :( pip install is available no-dependencies option. Raimon -- -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] About external module and README
2012/7/18 Raimon Esteve raimonest...@gmail.com: Ok but I think we will have trouble in the future because we will have names collision. Last TUL, we talk about list modules availables (not only from tryton.org). I don't talk about app repository, if not wiki or similar (documentation). This place are available description module, where you do download, dependencies and comments another people (who install it, requeriments). -- Si us plau, NO adjunti arxius a les seves respostes. Li preguem que integri el text al cos del missatge. Pot respondre usant NetEtiquete que li ajudarà a seguir la conversa. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette Por favor, NO adjunte archivos a sus respuestas. Le rogamos que integre el texto en el cuerpo del mensaje. Puede responder usando NetEtiquete que le ayudará a seguir la conversación.http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette Please, DO NOT send attachment files with your answers, just copy and paste only the text you need to send into the body of your mails. Repply using NetEtiquete. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette -- -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] About external module and README
On 18/07/12 17:23 +0200, Raimon Esteve wrote: 2012/7/18 Raimon Esteve raimonest...@gmail.com: Ok but I think we will have trouble in the future because we will have names collision. Last TUL, we talk about list modules availables (not only from tryton.org). I don't talk about app repository, if not wiki or similar (documentation). This place are available description module, where you do download, dependencies and comments another people (who install it, requeriments). It is http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=browseshow=allc=551 But it could be improved with something like https://crate.io/ -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgpTGjsw1niH1.pgp Description: PGP signature
[tryton] About external module and README
Hi, We see more and more third party modules, it is great for Tryton but I see often that developpers just copy/paste the README file which could bring some missunderstanding because it asks to report issues to the bug tracker of Tryton. Also in the code, developpers just reused the copyright notice This file is part of Tryton. So Please try to not confuse people and update those files. And finaly as we have a Tryton classifier, it will be great to not prefix those modules with trytond_ which also could confuse people. Thanks, -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgp5NBK1rfmTM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton] About external module and README
On Jul 18, 2012, at 4:07 AM, Cédric Krier wrote: And finaly as we have a Tryton classifier, it will be great to not prefix those modules with trytond_ which also could confuse people. Other recommendations are fine, but these modules may still need to use 'trytond_' as a prefix so that python packaging will install the dependencies consistently (Example [1]). I think its good to keep the same convention unless, we decide to complicate __tryton__ metadata with separate standard addons and custom addons which changes the prefix accordingly, or removes it completely. [1] http://hg.tryton.org/2.4/modules/sale/file/7e68db93bc88/setup.py#l16 Thanks, Sharoon Thomas Openlabs Technologies Consulting (P) Limited w: http://www.openlabs.co.in m: +1 813.793.6736 (OPEN) Extn. 200 t: @sharoonthomas - We CARE for our customers -- -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
