Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[PGage]

I have been reading a bit about this, and the main thing that comes through
is they still don’t really know what they are doing with this. For some
reason they had a need to announce this as a placeholder, while they figure
out the details.

As Adam suggests, a lot of those details surround how the next round of
sports rights plays out. Almost certainly this means WBD is dedicated to
keeping the NBA, which will be a big price tag - and I wonder if they plan
to announce all or many NBA games will only be available on Max. This would
make having access via the new sports streamer a savings. Will ESPN then
also make all or some MLB or NFL only on Hulu or Disney+, creating a
similar savings?

Also, does this mean Zaz really is determined to get Paramount, and add its
NFL, Golf and whatever else to the new bundle?

I’m going to have Max and the Disney bundle no matter what, so still not
clear to me why I would pay $50 for sports I already have access to. But I
begin to see there may be a segment of the population that only wants
sports, not premium entertainment streaming, and may one day soon (not
today) find $50 a month for the Sports Blob is preferable to something like
YT-TV, Max and Disney Bundle (which would be around what, $100/month?). Is
that segment large enough to make a lot of profit? I suspect that is also
one of the things they really don’t know.

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On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 at 2:30 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> I guess it's all about the maths.
>
> When there were 100m cable homes each paying, say, $7 a month for ESPN
> regardless of whether they watched it or not because it was "part of the
> bundle", ESPN could be both very profitable AND dig deep for sports rights.
>
> To make the same money in a streaming world, they would need all 100m to
> pay that relative bargain $7. But if only 25m sign up, a number that
> might be considered a success, then they'd have to charge $28 a month to
> be as profitable as they were before.
>
> Obviously, there'd actually be a blend of cable and streaming revenues for
> the foreseeable future, as cable subs diminish and streaming subs grow.
>
> But given the next round of the NBA rights are up right now, with the NBA
> looking at a healthy increase in fees, that putative $28 becomes less
> profitable than it was. Now rinse and repeat for TNT and Fox Sports, and
> you get big numbers quickly.
>
> I assume in reality they'll be bundling this service with Max, Disney+,
> Hulu and whatever Fox has (?), to get to $65-70 and, yeah, you have cable
> TV. I suppose it at least comes with only a month-to-month commitment, and
> it'll be packaged to *feel* different to cable, since this is surely aimed
> as much as anything at those who've never even had a cable subscription.
> But I've no doubt that there'll be deals for 12 month subscriptions etc.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024, 04:03 PGage,  wrote:
>
>> From the article:
>>
>> “*Pricing details and a name for the service will be disclosed at a
>> later date, though an individual familiar with the matter told TheWrap that
>> the price point would be cheaper than YouTube TV, which charges $72.99 per
>> month for its basic plan. CNBC
>> 
>>  reported
>> a logical starting point could be $45-$50 per month.”*
>>
>> This only begins to make sense in a world in which ESPN, TNT and ABC are
>> no longer available in linear form. Why would I even think of paying $50 a
>> month for what I can get included for $75 a month, plus the other half of
>> the NFL games, more golf, Olympics, and MLB, plus well,  erything else one
>> currently thinks of as “TV” (News, broadcast networks, local stations,
>> basic cable).
>>
>> The bargain that has always felt like was out there somewhere was cable
>> TV without ESPN and its huge cost for non sports fans. This service implies
>> that the cost of cable TV ( or at least a streamed version of it on YT-TV)
>> without ESPN and TNT is $25/ month. This seems like an even better deal
>> than most non sports fans dreamt of ( plus they still get about half the
>> Sunday NFL games if they want).
>>
>> As a sports fan, I’ll take my cake and eat it too for $25 more per month.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 at 3:31 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>> The interesting thing here will be to see how much all this costs.
>>> Because I suspect it'll be fairly pricey.
>>>
>>> I can't see it being much less than $50 a month, considering the numbers
>>> floating around for ESPN on its own were around $30-35. I believe that
>>> Bleacher Report is going to be a $9.99 upcost on Max when they start
>>> charging for it.
>>>
>>> The thing is that sports rights are a fixed cost, so there must be lots
>>> of price modelling going on to work out how many people would subscribe at
>>> various prices - x million at $30, y million at $40, z million at $50. 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Carano Suing Disney, Lucasfilm Over 'Mandalorian' Firing--Musk's Her Sugar Daddy

[Tom Wolper]

Hogan was retired when he sued Gawker. Having Musk pay attorney fees to
make a right wing point would mean a long long civil litigation process
that would make Carano unemployable to mainstream studios. Who would hire
an actor who sues the studio for a dispute?

On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 7:18 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2024, 3:29 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> And what’s Elon’s track record in these matters? He’s got a dozen other
>> things to keep him distracted. Disney Legal can stay focused.
>>
>
>
>
> I think Musk is trying to help Carano like Peter Thiel helped Hulk Hogan
> in his lawsuit against Gawker. Even if she doesn't prevail she can make it
> as painful as possible
>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Carano Suing Disney, Lucasfilm Over 'Mandalorian' Firing--Musk's Her Sugar Daddy

[Steve Timko]

On Wed, Feb 7, 2024, 3:29 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> And what’s Elon’s track record in these matters? He’s got a dozen other
> things to keep him distracted. Disney Legal can stay focused.
>



I think Musk is trying to help Carano like Peter Thiel helped Hulk Hogan in
his lawsuit against Gawker. Even if she doesn't prevail she can make it as
painful as possible


>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: FX, Murphy Play the 'Feud' with Truman Capote

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Ringwald is already planning her next role in a Murphy project, after 
telling Seth Meyers she wanted to play a "psycho b!tch"... *that* I'd like 
to see!
And Mark is right about which Carson she played...
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/molly-ringwald-psycho-bitch-ryan-murphy-1235818663/
 (link)
B

Mark Jeffries, 12/5/2023:

The anthology series began in 2017 when the channel was still owned by Fox 
with "Bette and Joan," the story of Ms. Davis and Ms. Crawford making 
"Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?" together and fighting the whole way--the 
pandemic and producer Ryan Murphy's unsuccessful stint at Netflix delayed a 
second season, but it will premiere on Jan. 31 and will be "Capote vs. the 
Swans," about the relationship of the "In Cold Blood" author Truman Capote 
with New York's highest-profile socialites in the 60s, with Tom Hollander 
as Capote, Naomi Watts as Babe Paley (wife of CBS founder Bill Paley, 
played here by Treat Williams), Diane Lane as Slim Keith, Chloe Sevigny as 
C.Z. Guest, Calista Flockhart as Jackie O's sister Lee Radziwill, Demi 
Moore as Ann "Bang Bang" Woodward and Molly Ringwald as Joanne Carson, who 
I assume was the Joanne Carson who was one of Johnny's wives:

https://deadline.com/2023/12/feud-capote-vs-the-swans-fx-premiere-date-ryan-murphy-anthology-series-1235652584/

The first two episodes will air on Jan. 31, with sister channel FXX airing 
at the same time a "director's cut" of the pilot (presumably directed by 
Gus Van Zant, who is listed as an episode director), with eps including the 
"director's cut" to stream the next day on Hulu (where most viewers will 
probably watch it) and simultaneously stream on Star+ in Latin America and 
Disney+ everywhere else.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Carano Suing Disney, Lucasfilm Over 'Mandalorian' Firing--Musk's Her Sugar Daddy

[Tom Wolper]

And what’s Elon’s track record in these matters? He’s got a dozen other
things to keep him distracted. Disney Legal can stay focused.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 6:15 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> But remember, Elon (*yeah, him*) is backing the suit... still, when CNBC
> asked Bob Iger what his thoughts were about it, and he just said "None,"
> and moved on to another topic...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/bob-iger-gina-carano-mandalorian-lawsuit-1235818809/
>  (link)
> B
>
> Tom Wolper, to Mark Jeffries, Feb 6th:
>
> I wouldn’t bet against Disney’s legal department. And if they think
> Carano’s case has any merit they’ll settle and make it go away.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Carano Suing Disney, Lucasfilm Over 'Mandalorian' Firing--Musk's Her Sugar Daddy

[Kevin M.]

Here’s the thoughts Iger could have: Based on the expert scientists and
doctors, Carano was advocating behavior which would have led to even more
Covid related illnesses and deaths than we were already facing at the time.
She posed a danger to herself and others, and it was decided Disney could
not risk her endangering herself or others during the production of one of
their top revenue generators. It was a sound medical and financial
decision.

Kevin M. (RPCV)


On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 3:15 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> But remember, Elon (*yeah, him*) is backing the suit... still, when CNBC
> asked Bob Iger what his thoughts were about it, and he just said "None,"
> and moved on to another topic...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/bob-iger-gina-carano-mandalorian-lawsuit-1235818809/
>  (link)
> B
>
> Tom Wolper, to Mark Jeffries, Feb 6th:
>
> I wouldn’t bet against Disney’s legal department. And if they think
> Carano’s case has any merit they’ll settle and make it go away.
>
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[TV orNotTV] Fortnite owner in $1.5B deal with D!sney

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

*Die Maus* and Epic Games, per Bob Iger, will create a new "games and 
entertainment universe," bringing characters from all their properties 
together, and interoperable with Fortnite... it's not their first joint 
venture, with the gaming platform helping to tease *...The Rise of 
Skywalker* a few years ago...
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/disney-epic-games-deal-new-universe-franchises-fortnite-1235818438/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Carano Suing Disney, Lucasfilm Over 'Mandalorian' Firing--Musk's Her Sugar Daddy

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

But remember, Elon (*yeah, him*) is backing the suit... still, when CNBC 
asked Bob Iger what his thoughts were about it, and he just said "None," 
and moved on to another topic...
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/bob-iger-gina-carano-mandalorian-lawsuit-1235818809/
 (link)
B

Tom Wolper, to Mark Jeffries, Feb 6th:

I wouldn’t bet against Disney’s legal department. And if they think 
Carano’s case has any merit they’ll settle and make it go away.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Dr Johnny Fever returns! (as a compilation)

[Joe Hass]

As I understand it, the original masters still exist, but are no longer
available if someone wanted to for whatever reason wanted to rerun the show
(that's how they were able to make the latest DVD collection for Shout that
had some but not all of the music restored.)

On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 12:04 PM M-D November  wrote:

> I thought all of the 'original music' episodes were lost to time and lack
> of foresight...?
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 6:04:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Hass wrote:
>
>> Someone went through the original music versions of WKRP, took all of
>> Howard Hessman's air checks, and compiled a three-hour "shift".
>>
>> https://www.awphooey.com/wkrp
>>
>> I would listen to this station in a heartbeat.
>>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Dr Johnny Fever returns! (as a compilation)

[M-D November]

I thought all of the 'original music' episodes were lost to time and lack 
of foresight...?

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 6:04:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Hass wrote:

> Someone went through the original music versions of WKRP, took all of 
> Howard Hessman's air checks, and compiled a three-hour "shift".
>
> https://www.awphooey.com/wkrp
>
> I would listen to this station in a heartbeat.
>

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[TV orNotTV] NoTV: Wertheimer Retiring from NPR

[Mark Jeffries]

After over 50 years with the public radio network, where she was an initial 
employee, Linda Wertheimer announced her retirement yesterday--a former 
host of "All Things Considered," Wertheimer, 80, did not say her last day 
but wrote a heartfelt tribute to her colleagues, which is in the link:

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/07/1229667318/npr-founding-mother-linda-wertheimer-retirement?utm_source=npr_newsletter_medium=email_content=20240207_term=9259721_campaign=news_id=10634280=309_att1=

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[TV orNotTV] Fox--Where Shows Get Renewed Sooner

[Mark Jeffries]

"Animal Control," the Joel McHale workplace comedy that is one of only 
three scripted live-action series on the current Fox schedule, won't begin 
its second season until next month (with a lead-in in the weakening "Masked 
Singer"), but Fox has already given it a renewal for a third 
season--remember, live-action series don't have the long lead time animated 
series have, so this could bite Fox in the--donkey:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/joel-mchale-animal-control-renewed-season-3-1235817719/#recipient_hashed=04cc8432e89af1614e2b95d666f830a827568c45d7e9abbbd46ed84bf99ddfc7_salt=f8f1afe78c2d990c75c3121d1fa116315cbb1eda09b65c89df333468970da653

For the record, the other live-action scripted series are "The Cleaning 
Lady" and "9-1-1 Lone Star" (the parent in the "9-1-1" franchise was moved 
to ABC by Disney, its owner). Both shows begin their seasons next month. 
Meanwhile, five unscripted series are produced in Ireland and two more, 
even though they're produced in Atlanta, have the same Irish production 
company do post-production work in Ireland, since everything now is 
computer files instead of tape reels.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Dr Johnny Fever returns! (as a compilation)

[Doug Eastick]

I am 70 minutes into this audio file, and it's great.  It seems they
have edited it so the time-checks ("it's 8:03 in Cincinnati") are in order.

If you liked WKRP, I highly suggest you download the audio file to your
phone so you can play it in the car, or walking the dog, or whatever.

I haven't heard the Red Wigglers commercial yet, but I hope to.




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> Someone went through the original music versions of WKRP, took all of
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>
> https://www.awphooey.com/wkrp
>
> I would listen to this station in a heartbeat.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[Tom Wolper]

I think the only way you can get sports fans to pay that level of monthly
prices is to have home games available. I get ESPN+ as part of the Hulu
bundle and I can watch NHL games with every team except my home team. My
friend, who just got rid of his $230 a month cable subscription, was happy
to pay Fubo $75 a month to have access to home team hockey games. I can’t
say that will be the general experience but I feel that the new sports
streaming service is for out of market games only a large mass of sports
fans won’t sign up.

There is a possible synergy which I personally hate. Sports betting
companies have an interest in having as many games as possible available to
their customers and they could subsidize the service to keep retail costs
down. Their presence at sporting events would probably be more obnoxious
than it already is but it would keep the service affordable.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 5:30 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> I guess it's all about the maths.
>
> When there were 100m cable homes each paying, say, $7 a month for ESPN
> regardless of whether they watched it or not because it was "part of the
> bundle", ESPN could be both very profitable AND dig deep for sports rights.
>
> To make the same money in a streaming world, they would need all 100m to
> pay that relative bargain $7. But if only 25m sign up, a number that
> might be considered a success, then they'd have to charge $28 a month to
> be as profitable as they were before.
>
> Obviously, there'd actually be a blend of cable and streaming revenues for
> the foreseeable future, as cable subs diminish and streaming subs grow.
>
> But given the next round of the NBA rights are up right now, with the NBA
> looking at a healthy increase in fees, that putative $28 becomes less
> profitable than it was. Now rinse and repeat for TNT and Fox Sports, and
> you get big numbers quickly.
>
> I assume in reality they'll be bundling this service with Max, Disney+,
> Hulu and whatever Fox has (?), to get to $65-70 and, yeah, you have cable
> TV. I suppose it at least comes with only a month-to-month commitment, and
> it'll be packaged to *feel* different to cable, since this is surely aimed
> as much as anything at those who've never even had a cable subscription.
> But I've no doubt that there'll be deals for 12 month subscriptions etc.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024, 04:03 PGage,  wrote:
>
>> From the article:
>>
>> “*Pricing details and a name for the service will be disclosed at a
>> later date, though an individual familiar with the matter told TheWrap that
>> the price point would be cheaper than YouTube TV, which charges $72.99 per
>> month for its basic plan. CNBC
>> 
>>  reported
>> a logical starting point could be $45-$50 per month.”*
>>
>> This only begins to make sense in a world in which ESPN, TNT and ABC are
>> no longer available in linear form. Why would I even think of paying $50 a
>> month for what I can get included for $75 a month, plus the other half of
>> the NFL games, more golf, Olympics, and MLB, plus well,  erything else one
>> currently thinks of as “TV” (News, broadcast networks, local stations,
>> basic cable).
>>
>> The bargain that has always felt like was out there somewhere was cable
>> TV without ESPN and its huge cost for non sports fans. This service implies
>> that the cost of cable TV ( or at least a streamed version of it on YT-TV)
>> without ESPN and TNT is $25/ month. This seems like an even better deal
>> than most non sports fans dreamt of ( plus they still get about half the
>> Sunday NFL games if they want).
>>
>> As a sports fan, I’ll take my cake and eat it too for $25 more per month.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 at 3:31 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>> The interesting thing here will be to see how much all this costs.
>>> Because I suspect it'll be fairly pricey.
>>>
>>> I can't see it being much less than $50 a month, considering the numbers
>>> floating around for ESPN on its own were around $30-35. I believe that
>>> Bleacher Report is going to be a $9.99 upcost on Max when they start
>>> charging for it.
>>>
>>> The thing is that sports rights are a fixed cost, so there must be lots
>>> of price modelling going on to work out how many people would subscribe at
>>> various prices - x million at $30, y million at $40, z million at $50. But
>>> if the maths don't work, then the price is wrong.
>>>
>>> Would $49.99 be an attractive price to cord cutters? Assuming it's
>>> everything the three players have to offer.
>>>
>>> And any extra channels that get added to the mix will surely drive this
>>> price up. And adding in RSNs would surely be insanely complicated to factor
>>> in.
>>>
>>> By way of comparison, in the UK, if I want Sky Sports channels as a
>>> standalone streaming offer, it costs £34.99 a month ($44.10 tax inclusive).
>>> But that 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Shannen Doherty joins former Charmed mates at MegaCon Orlando...

[Kevin M.]

There’s no point in Shannen pursuing this, because it is a no-win scenario.
If Shannen’s allegations are correct, then all she’s proven is that a
second-tier former child actress had more clout in the industry than
Shannen did at the time, or Shannen truly was abhorrent to work with, and
she was given the boot because she lived up to her own reputation. Whether
Alyssa made it happen, or whether the producers and studio made it happen,
it happened and there were reasons that it happened. Furthering the story
isn’t helpful. Shannen is only served by leaving it in the past. But then
again, we don’t always do what’s clearly in our own best interests.

Kevin M. (RPCV)


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> Where she continued her battle with Alyssa Milano (whom was at a "Who's
> The Boss" panel earlier in the same event) over the latter's alleged "me or
> her" ultimatum to producers back in the day... Milano would respond, again,
> on Instagram later...
>
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Where she continued her battle with Alyssa Milano (whom was at a "Who's The 
Boss" panel earlier in the same event) over the latter's alleged "me or 
her" ultimatum to producers back in the day... Milano would respond, again, 
on Instagram later...
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[Adam Bowie]

I guess it's all about the maths.

When there were 100m cable homes each paying, say, $7 a month for ESPN
regardless of whether they watched it or not because it was "part of the
bundle", ESPN could be both very profitable AND dig deep for sports rights.

To make the same money in a streaming world, they would need all 100m to
pay that relative bargain $7. But if only 25m sign up, a number that might
be considered a success, then they'd have to charge $28 a month to be as
profitable as they were before.

Obviously, there'd actually be a blend of cable and streaming revenues for
the foreseeable future, as cable subs diminish and streaming subs grow.

But given the next round of the NBA rights are up right now, with the NBA
looking at a healthy increase in fees, that putative $28 becomes less
profitable than it was. Now rinse and repeat for TNT and Fox Sports, and
you get big numbers quickly.

I assume in reality they'll be bundling this service with Max, Disney+,
Hulu and whatever Fox has (?), to get to $65-70 and, yeah, you have cable
TV. I suppose it at least comes with only a month-to-month commitment, and
it'll be packaged to *feel* different to cable, since this is surely aimed
as much as anything at those who've never even had a cable subscription.
But I've no doubt that there'll be deals for 12 month subscriptions etc.



Adam

On Wed, 7 Feb 2024, 04:03 PGage,  wrote:

> From the article:
>
> “*Pricing details and a name for the service will be disclosed at a later
> date, though an individual familiar with the matter told TheWrap that the
> price point would be cheaper than YouTube TV, which charges $72.99 per
> month for its basic plan. CNBC
> 
>  reported
> a logical starting point could be $45-$50 per month.”*
>
> This only begins to make sense in a world in which ESPN, TNT and ABC are
> no longer available in linear form. Why would I even think of paying $50 a
> month for what I can get included for $75 a month, plus the other half of
> the NFL games, more golf, Olympics, and MLB, plus well,  erything else one
> currently thinks of as “TV” (News, broadcast networks, local stations,
> basic cable).
>
> The bargain that has always felt like was out there somewhere was cable TV
> without ESPN and its huge cost for non sports fans. This service implies
> that the cost of cable TV ( or at least a streamed version of it on YT-TV)
> without ESPN and TNT is $25/ month. This seems like an even better deal
> than most non sports fans dreamt of ( plus they still get about half the
> Sunday NFL games if they want).
>
> As a sports fan, I’ll take my cake and eat it too for $25 more per month.
>
>
>
>
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>
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 at 3:31 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
>> The interesting thing here will be to see how much all this costs.
>> Because I suspect it'll be fairly pricey.
>>
>> I can't see it being much less than $50 a month, considering the numbers
>> floating around for ESPN on its own were around $30-35. I believe that
>> Bleacher Report is going to be a $9.99 upcost on Max when they start
>> charging for it.
>>
>> The thing is that sports rights are a fixed cost, so there must be lots
>> of price modelling going on to work out how many people would subscribe at
>> various prices - x million at $30, y million at $40, z million at $50. But
>> if the maths don't work, then the price is wrong.
>>
>> Would $49.99 be an attractive price to cord cutters? Assuming it's
>> everything the three players have to offer.
>>
>> And any extra channels that get added to the mix will surely drive this
>> price up. And adding in RSNs would surely be insanely complicated to factor
>> in.
>>
>> By way of comparison, in the UK, if I want Sky Sports channels as a
>> standalone streaming offer, it costs £34.99 a month ($44.10 tax inclusive).
>> But that doesn't include rival TNT Sports who have some Premier League
>> games and Champions League games as well as plenty other sports.
>> Standalone, that costs another £30.99 ($39 tax inclusive) for a Discovery+
>> Premium package. That gets you most, but not all sports. And while there
>> are packages available on various platforms to reduce this cost, it gives
>> you a good idea of what you might have to pay.
>>
>> I'm guessing that CBS isn't part of this at the moment because their
>> parent company is essentially up for sale. Maybe jumping into this plan
>> might complicate a potential sale down the line since the new owner might
>> have their own plan for company's sports rights.
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 10:39 PM Jim Ellwanger 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It also doesn't appear to include local MLB, NBA, and NHL broadcasts
>>> (aside from out-of-market NHL broadcasts that are already available on
>>> ESPN+). If they could get the in-market streaming rights to those -- which
>>> would involve negotiations with the teams and