Re: [TV orNotTV] John Oliver offers Clarence Thomas $1 million a year to resign

[Kevin M.]

HBO is now delaying posting the show on YouTube until Thursdays, hoping to
boost traffic to Max. Oliver hopes they will reconsider.

https://deadline.com/2024/02/last-week-tonight-john-oliver-main-story-release-delayed-youtube-hbo-1235831235/amp/


Kevin M. (RPCV)


On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 9:39 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> John Oliver returned from hiatus with a bang. He offered Clarence Thomas
> $1 million a year and a $2.5 million motor coach if he resigned from the
> Supreme Court within a month.
> Normally, I could post a YouTube link to that part of the show. But HBO
> hasn't posted the show yet. Here's a link to a poor pirated copy. The offer
> is around the 31 minute mark.
> https://youtu.be/YceyOgpj_RE?si=c1d7MPnHBv990oui
>
> I wonder if this indicates turmoil at HBO over the show.
>
> Oliver said he is paying Thomas' salary personally, not HBO. I am guessing
> left leaning millionaires will chip in if it means Thomas is off the court.
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[TV orNotTV] John Oliver offers Clarence Thomas $1 million a year to resign

[Steve Timko]

John Oliver returned from hiatus with a bang. He offered Clarence Thomas $1
million a year and a $2.5 million motor coach if he resigned from the
Supreme Court within a month.
Normally, I could post a YouTube link to that part of the show. But HBO
hasn't posted the show yet. Here's a link to a poor pirated copy. The offer
is around the 31 minute mark.
https://youtu.be/YceyOgpj_RE?si=c1d7MPnHBv990oui

I wonder if this indicates turmoil at HBO over the show.

Oliver said he is paying Thomas' salary personally, not HBO. I am guessing
left leaning millionaires will chip in if it means Thomas is off the court.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: (Semi-TV) Whose Line? live shows - how do the tours differ?

[M-D November]

I'm not saying being in a 1000+ seat house would stop EVERYONE from calling 
out suggestions - I'm saying that it stopped ME because I understand how 
sound travels in a theater.  And yes, the WLIIA? TV set is an order of 
magnitude smaller, made even smaller still by the fact that the performers 
are largely playing to camera, not to the studio audience, and that the 
suggestions are being funneled through Clive/Drew/Aisha, who undoubtedly is 
getting fed the better/TV-friendly suggestions by the producers via IEM. 
On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 2:28:35 PM UTC-5 David Bruggeman wrote:

> To reinforce the points about audience size, the Santa Rosa venue seats at 
> least 1200, and the Sacramento venue seats 900, at least the way they were 
> configured.  I know Whose Live was very close to sold out, and Colin and 
> Brad were at least 75 percent sold.  I haven't been to a show taping, but I 
> would guess both crowds were larger than the studio audience by at least a 
> factor of 4.
>
> This didn't stop people from the upper rows (which is where I sat) from 
> yelling stuff out.
>
> Best,
> David
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:30:44 AM PST, M-D November <
> mdnov...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Minor point of clarification: the Greg/Ryan/Jeff/Joel tour is "Whose LIVE 
> Anyway?".  They use the TV's show's name extensively in advertising, but 
> not in the actual title of the show.
>
> I haven't seen the Brad/Colin tour, but I saw Whose Live a couple of years 
> back at the Keswick in Glenside (Philly). I believe it was their first or 
> second stop coming out of COVID hiatus, and frankly Ryan looked AWFUL, but 
> I was inclined to give them some slack because a) I like all of them (or, 
> at least, Ryan, Greg & Jeff - I don't really know Joel at all) and b) see 
> above re: COVID. I'll echo David's comments above, but I'll add that I 
> think improv suffers in a big house like the ones these tours typically 
> play. 
>
> Improv is, at its heart, an intimate experience, and doing improv in a 
> barn just doesn't; work.  Normally I'm the first person to start shouting 
> suggestions when prompted, but I didn't even bother at WLA because I was a 
> good 20+ rows back from the stage; the combination of the distance, my 
> mask, and the fact that theatrical acoustics do not work that way meant 
> that there wasn't a chance in hell that anything I suggested would make it 
> to the stage. Anyone pulled for participation in a game (and any crowd work 
> being done) would be confined to the first few rows of the house. While the 
> evening was still very funny, the loss of the potential for audience 
> participation was a bit deflating.  
>
> I'm not here to suggest that improv should be hidden away in basement 
> comedy clubs and college black box theaters, but from my experiences (both 
> as a fan and as a performer), smaller venues work better for improv because 
> smaller venues facilitate a better connection between audience & 
> performers.  Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 2:33:19 AM UTC-5 David Bruggeman wrote:
>
> Last night I went to see the Whose Line is it Anyway? live show in Santa 
> Rosa, followed by Colin Mochrie and Brad Sherwood's improv tour tonight in 
> Sacramento.
>
> Besides the performers (the current Whose Line tour lineup is Ryan 
> Stiles*, Greg Proops, Jeff Davis and Joel Murray), there are probably three 
> major differences between the shows.
>
> Laura Hall provided live piano accompaniment for the Whose Line show, 
> while Colin and Brad performed to tracks.  I suppose improv purists might 
> be bothered by having the same instrumental tracks for each show, but I'd 
> counter that the live music tends to follow pretty standards forms when 
> it's used, even on the show.
>
> Brad and Colin would do some longer games, and more of their games either 
> weren't on the TV show, or weren't in heavy rotation on the show.
>
> Most of the time Colin and Brad got suggestions from the audience before 
> saying what the game was, while the Whose Line gang usually called out the 
> game first.
>
> *Ryan was not there in Santa Rosa (and he probably misses/missed their 
> other shows this weekend), but they got Drew Carey to sub in.  
> Understandably, he was a bit rusty and repetitive, to the point of using 
> the same Dobie Gillis reference twice.  (For those less charitable among 
> us, you could note that Drew usually hosted the TV show, and rarely 
> performed.)
>
> The main drawback with these shows is the audience.  You can expect a lot 
> of (dumb, repetitive, boring, nonresponsive) suggestion shouting.
>
> If you had to choose between the two shows, I'd go with whichever one has 
> more of your favorite performers.  If that's not a factor, Brad and Colin's 
> show will be different enough that you won't think it's just like a TV 
> episode.
>
> Either way, it's a fine way to spend an evening.
>
> Best,
> David
>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: (Semi-TV) Whose Line? live shows - how do the tours differ?

['David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV]

 To reinforce the points about audience size, the Santa Rosa venue seats at 
least 1200, and the Sacramento venue seats 900, at least the way they were 
configured.  I know Whose Live was very close to sold out, and Colin and Brad 
were at least 75 percent sold.  I haven't been to a show taping, but I would 
guess both crowds were larger than the studio audience by at least a factor of 
4.
This didn't stop people from the upper rows (which is where I sat) from yelling 
stuff out.
Best,David

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:30:44 AM PST, M-D November 
 wrote:  
 
 Minor point of clarification: the Greg/Ryan/Jeff/Joel tour is "Whose LIVE 
Anyway?".  They use the TV's show's name extensively in advertising, but not in 
the actual title of the show.
I haven't seen the Brad/Colin tour, but I saw Whose Live a couple of years back 
at the Keswick in Glenside (Philly). I believe it was their first or second 
stop coming out of COVID hiatus, and frankly Ryan looked AWFUL, but I was 
inclined to give them some slack because a) I like all of them (or, at least, 
Ryan, Greg & Jeff - I don't really know Joel at all) and b) see above re: 
COVID. I'll echo David's comments above, but I'll add that I think improv 
suffers in a big house like the ones these tours typically play. 
Improv is, at its heart, an intimate experience, and doing improv in a barn 
just doesn't; work.  Normally I'm the first person to start shouting 
suggestions when prompted, but I didn't even bother at WLA because I was a good 
20+ rows back from the stage; the combination of the distance, my mask, and the 
fact that theatrical acoustics do not work that way meant that there wasn't a 
chance in hell that anything I suggested would make it to the stage. Anyone 
pulled for participation in a game (and any crowd work being done) would be 
confined to the first few rows of the house. While the evening was still very 
funny, the loss of the potential for audience participation was a bit 
deflating.  

I'm not here to suggest that improv should be hidden away in basement comedy 
clubs and college black box theaters, but from my experiences (both as a fan 
and as a performer), smaller venues work better for improv because smaller 
venues facilitate a better connection between audience & performers.  Thank you 
for coming to my Ted Talk.On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 2:33:19 AM UTC-5 
David Bruggeman wrote:

Last night I went to see the Whose Line is it Anyway? live show in Santa Rosa, 
followed by Colin Mochrie and Brad Sherwood's improv tour tonight in Sacramento.
Besides the performers (the current Whose Line tour lineup is Ryan Stiles*, 
Greg Proops, Jeff Davis and Joel Murray), there are probably three major 
differences between the shows.
Laura Hall provided live piano accompaniment for the Whose Line show, while 
Colin and Brad performed to tracks.  I suppose improv purists might be bothered 
by having the same instrumental tracks for each show, but I'd counter that the 
live music tends to follow pretty standards forms when it's used, even on the 
show.
Brad and Colin would do some longer games, and more of their games either 
weren't on the TV show, or weren't in heavy rotation on the show.
Most of the time Colin and Brad got suggestions from the audience before saying 
what the game was, while the Whose Line gang usually called out the game first.
*Ryan was not there in Santa Rosa (and he probably misses/missed their other 
shows this weekend), but they got Drew Carey to sub in.  Understandably, he was 
a bit rusty and repetitive, to the point of using the same Dobie Gillis 
reference twice.  (For those less charitable among us, you could note that Drew 
usually hosted the TV show, and rarely performed.)

The main drawback with these shows is the audience.  You can expect a lot of 
(dumb, repetitive, boring, nonresponsive) suggestion shouting.

If you had to choose between the two shows, I'd go with whichever one has more 
of your favorite performers.  If that's not a factor, Brad and Colin's show 
will be different enough that you won't think it's just like a TV episode.
Either way, it's a fine way to spend an evening.

Best,David





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[TV orNotTV] Re: (Semi-TV) Whose Line? live shows - how do the tours differ?

[M-D November]

Minor point of clarification: the Greg/Ryan/Jeff/Joel tour is "Whose LIVE 
Anyway?".  They use the TV's show's name extensively in advertising, but 
not in the actual title of the show.

I haven't seen the Brad/Colin tour, but I saw Whose Live a couple of years 
back at the Keswick in Glenside (Philly). I believe it was their first or 
second stop coming out of COVID hiatus, and frankly Ryan looked AWFUL, but 
I was inclined to give them some slack because a) I like all of them (or, 
at least, Ryan, Greg & Jeff - I don't really know Joel at all) and b) see 
above re: COVID. I'll echo David's comments above, but I'll add that I 
think improv suffers in a big house like the ones these tours typically 
play. 

Improv is, at its heart, an intimate experience, and doing improv in a barn 
just doesn't; work.  Normally I'm the first person to start shouting 
suggestions when prompted, but I didn't even bother at WLA because I was a 
good 20+ rows back from the stage; the combination of the distance, my 
mask, and the fact that theatrical acoustics do not work that way meant 
that there wasn't a chance in hell that anything I suggested would make it 
to the stage. Anyone pulled for participation in a game (and any crowd work 
being done) would be confined to the first few rows of the house. While the 
evening was still very funny, the loss of the potential for audience 
participation was a bit deflating.  

I'm not here to suggest that improv should be hidden away in basement 
comedy clubs and college black box theaters, but from my experiences (both 
as a fan and as a performer), smaller venues work better for improv because 
smaller venues facilitate a better connection between audience & 
performers.  Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 2:33:19 AM UTC-5 David Bruggeman wrote:

> Last night I went to see the Whose Line is it Anyway? live show in Santa 
> Rosa, followed by Colin Mochrie and Brad Sherwood's improv tour tonight in 
> Sacramento.
>
> Besides the performers (the current Whose Line tour lineup is Ryan 
> Stiles*, Greg Proops, Jeff Davis and Joel Murray), there are probably three 
> major differences between the shows.
>
> Laura Hall provided live piano accompaniment for the Whose Line show, 
> while Colin and Brad performed to tracks.  I suppose improv purists might 
> be bothered by having the same instrumental tracks for each show, but I'd 
> counter that the live music tends to follow pretty standards forms when 
> it's used, even on the show.
>
> Brad and Colin would do some longer games, and more of their games either 
> weren't on the TV show, or weren't in heavy rotation on the show.
>
> Most of the time Colin and Brad got suggestions from the audience before 
> saying what the game was, while the Whose Line gang usually called out the 
> game first.
>
> *Ryan was not there in Santa Rosa (and he probably misses/missed their 
> other shows this weekend), but they got Drew Carey to sub in.  
> Understandably, he was a bit rusty and repetitive, to the point of using 
> the same Dobie Gillis reference twice.  (For those less charitable among 
> us, you could note that Drew usually hosted the TV show, and rarely 
> performed.)
>
> The main drawback with these shows is the audience.  You can expect a lot 
> of (dumb, repetitive, boring, nonresponsive) suggestion shouting.
>
> If you had to choose between the two shows, I'd go with whichever one has 
> more of your favorite performers.  If that's not a factor, Brad and Colin's 
> show will be different enough that you won't think it's just like a TV 
> episode.
>
> Either way, it's a fine way to spend an evening.
>
> Best,
> David
>
>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] SemiNoTV: Dakota Johnson Didn't Say That

[Adam Bowie]

I wholeheartedly agree with the piece and the overblown reaction to Johnson.

What I can't tell is to what extent that really impacted on the film's
opening. Poor reviews and particularly, poor word of mouth are likely to
have been bigger issues surely? I'm not saying TikTok memes can't make or
break a movie, but so can sub-par CGI and highly tangential characters who
are basically unknown to all but the biggest comics diehards.

I didn't go and see this film mostly because I heard it was bad and read
some really bad reviews, not because of a media narrative was that made the
case that Johnson hated the film herself.


Adam


On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 3:52 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> THR's Richard Newby says that in the rush to amp up the clickbait and play
> "Kick the Nepo Baby" and "Dogpile on the New Marvel Movie," Johnson's
> typical press tour deadpan and bluntness while plugging "Madame Web" was
> blown way out of proportion, making what she said far worse than it really
> was:
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/madame-web-press-tour-dakota-johnson-1235827795/
>
> But if the celeb press and social media wanted to make sure "Madame Web"
> bombed in its first weekend, they sure as hell succeeded.
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[TV orNotTV] SemiNoTV: Dakota Johnson Didn't Say That

[Mark Jeffries]

THR's Richard Newby says that in the rush to amp up the clickbait and play 
"Kick the Nepo Baby" and "Dogpile on the New Marvel Movie," Johnson's 
typical press tour deadpan and bluntness while plugging "Madame Web" was 
blown way out of proportion, making what she said far worse than it really 
was:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/madame-web-press-tour-dakota-johnson-1235827795/

But if the celeb press and social media wanted to make sure "Madame Web" 
bombed in its first weekend, they sure as hell succeeded.

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