My mother calls earlier today and says 'Well, David...I see you didn't get
the Tonight Show again'...
And Leno's first joke that night was that he had to call Dave
Letterman to tell him he didn't get the Tonight Show again.
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I do. And this screams bluff on so many levels, it's not worth taking
seriously.
This. I suspect the problems with their NFL contract would be enough
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Per the various NCIS cast Twitter feeds, Colin Hanks will be guest
starring in the final two episodes of the season as a Federal
prosecutor.
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I don't particularly like or dislike her, but I like her better than
I did after last night.
I was somewhat less impressed than previous posters. She took control
of the interview, mouthed some platitudes, and got in her plugs. I
didn't learn anything (which is probably not a great loss), and I
It may be stunt casting, but NCIS usually* makes really good use of its
stunt-casted actors (see: Lily Tomlin as McGee's grandmother, Robert Wagner
as DiNozo Sr., Bob Newhart as Duckie's colleague/mentor, etc.) - I'm
confident this will be as well.
I guess the problem is a definition for
CBS really needs a cable outlet so they can shunt nonsense like
that over and run primetime as scheduled.
I'm not a golf fan, but I know that the Masters is a huge event that
CBS would have no interest in shunting even if they could. (As we've
seen in other threads, the tournament's popularity
I'd be intrigued as to how that goes down in
the US because I think I'm right in thinking that the concept of highlights
is not that common on US TV - you'd either see the whole match, live or on
a delay, or just brief clips on the news, as opposed to a ten- or
fifteen-minute edit.
Maybe not
I remember that episode well also. Didn't they have subsequent callbacks to
the poker game in subsequent episodes (though not with the same structure)?
There was a poker game in the movie, and most likely the book, and
probably real Army hospitals where people are coming on and off shift
all
And if you're not bundling, how do you introduce new channels to people and
how can channels find their niche? For example, if you judged Comedy
Central by its early programming and if there was nothing but a la carte,
it wouldn't even made it to South Park or The Daily Show or Colbert.
Let's
However, I still can't get over them hiring Chelsea Clinton as a
correspondent, as she was query-blocking the media for her mother during the
'08 campaign.
She's a brand name. I haven't seen any of her work as a correspondent,
so I have no idea how competent she is or isn't. (Same for Jenna
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I'm happy to report that the digests have reappeared, starting with
posts from May 22. I'll have to go to the
Right - though I try to remind myself that with the Olympics we are not
really dealing with NBC Sports per se, since they are trying to make their
money back from so many non-sports fans. But it it were Fox making a mess
of the Olympics we would at least be able to say: What do you expect,
Lowe will play John F. Kennedy in the channel's made-for Killing Kennedy,
based on the Billo (ghostwritten by Martin Dugard) book, with Ginnifer
Goodwin, Snow White on Once Upon a Time, as Jackie and Michelle Buffy's
PIA Sis Trachtenberg as Marina Oswald (no indication who's playing Lee
...Harry Coyle's style is passed down to the next generation of
producers, and we have a far more muted style than what Fox throws up every
Saturday. More stat friendly announcers, and significantly less Tim
McCarver (though far more Bob Costas, and you can take that how you will).
I'll
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but doesn't SCG get first dibs/right of first
refusal at 11:35 per his most recent contract? (I know Craig has said he
doesn't WANT 11:35, but technically he's got the right to it.)
My recollection is that's in case Dave is suddenly unable to do The
Late Show, not
I always got the impression that Carson owned his show outright, and that
Late Night was a co-production (Carson/NBC), with WWP added into the mix
around '91 or so. NBC had to have some claim to ownership of Dave's Late
Night, otherwise the whole IP issue following his move to CBS (Viewer
Prices were fairly stable from 1934 to 1960, with an average ticket price
over those 27 years of $4.18. They did increase rapidly from $3.68 in 1947
to $5.26 in 1953; I am assuming this bump is due to the initial reaction to
the popularity of television - I guess theaters tried to make up lost
On September 8, 1966, The Full Color Network previewed three shows
which are remembered at different levels:
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...they're telling me
that we're in a new golden age of television with all of these wonderful
scripted drama series. Is it that some people can't believe it because
most of those shows are on premium channels?
Maybe those people feel that you can dig for the good stuff (which has
probably
The Most Golden Year of TV Drama was 2005.
Obviously it is not really possible to make these assertions quite as
baldly as I have. I was in one of these debates with some friends the other
day (the best year to watch TV dramas in), and decided to try to find some
objective data to inform the
Right now, Steve Harvey airs after Nightline in Pittsburgh, so there's
always a late-night option available if daytime is too crowded.
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...They are both quite capable of
talking for hours about baseball without once veering into politics. But I
am worried that pairing these guys up is going to lead to demands to add
George Will to Baseball Tonight.
In the same way that Will could stick to baseball if he did Baseball
Tonight,
With the exception of Dave's various illnesses (which were
quite different beasts), and I guess a few shorter stints on TDS, this is
really the first experience a successful late night show has had with a
substitute host since Carson. I guess if ratings go down when Stewart
returns it will
Craig's reaction:
https://twitter.com/CraigyFerg/status/364122701306531840
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At the beginning of tonight's Late Night, Jimmy F. announced that
Friday's show would be the last taped in 6B so that NBC can redo it
for The Tonight Show. He then walked down the hall to show us the set
that's been built in 6A, where they'll do the remainder of their Late
Nights. Some great
Two thoughts:
1. Top posting is fine for a general thought. For a response to something
specific, it's nice to see it in line with the original passage
(bottom/middle posting).
2. Everyone, PLEASE trim your posts. There are a handful of people who
leave a bunch of posts under theirs from the
I'm probably the last person with an SD set...
One of the last.
...but I haven't watched Fox
Sports Live since the first night when I noticed that they were airing on
the FS1 SD feed the program in 4:3 (making part of the ticker unreadable)
and the commercials in 16:9 (with the ticker
In the now that CBS and Time Warner have
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Maybe it’s all about the new trend of catering to female football fans.
It is not maybe about that, it is only about that - appealing to female
and
younger viewers, especially those who are casual football fans.
What they've been looking for are acts that will keep the TV on the same
network
From now on, if I cock up, just assume I wrote it when I was sleep
deprived
from the new kid.
Congratulations, Joe!
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But I think that is different from the role of DVR time-shifted viewing.
Their argument is that time shifting 3 or 7 days after broadcast has zero
impact on whether a program is renewed, including SHIELD.
If that's what they've observed, then that's what they should use in making
predictions.
I am looking for a particularly good example of this technique in action
in
a good TV episode, but I do not have time to review the many episodes of
the likely suspects to find one in particular. My preference would be to
find a good example of Pembleton with a suspect in The Box (the idea of
The idea that MLB would now only allow the World Series to appear OTA
depresses me to my very core. Every other pro sport in the US airs at
least
some portion of their playoffs on OTA.
I was struck that this year was the first time since television that
postseason Pirate games didn't appear on
I was a bit skeptical when the last guest before the band tonight was a
staff writer on the show promoting his new book.
This does not appear to be an attempt to recreate the heady wonder of
Fresh Step, the boy band.
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The other huge difference between the US and UK is the additional
complexity of individual team rights (with the exception of the NFL
regular
season). In Detroit, for example, all games not picked up nationally
(either OTA or cable) air on Fox Sports Detroit. This means unless you
have
cable,
In Detroit, it was Fox that feared the three teams creating their own
network that backed up the dump trucks of money.
Yeah, that seems to be the current state of the business.
I'd have to do a little research to see how many of the 90 teams
have no OTA affiliates. I mean, I don't expect
Carson's retrospective was full of remember when? memories, while
Leno's special
had a sense of see what you missed? to it.
I remember Leno and Letterman doing anniversary shows (fifth, probably) at
about the same time. Dave's clips were actual moments, often bits of
conversation with guests,
If the NFL really wanted to change up the Pro Bowl, they could try out
the
Canadian rulebook. The CFL games I’ve watched almost always finish within
their scheduled three-hour block.
How many TV timeouts are there, and how long are they? That's most likely
the difference, not the rulebooks.
A piece by former special teams coach Mike Westhoff on the devaluation of
special teams and a proposal for how to save the kickoff:
http://mmqb.si.com/2013/10/04/mike-westhoff-special-teams/3/
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Scratch the guest roles part... the only item surviving from the prior
show
could be MacLaren's.
There may be ways of stunt casting HIMYM cast members, even if the
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How many TV timeouts are there, and how long are they? That's most likely
the difference, not the rule books.
With last night's Toronto/Winnipeg game in the background, I don't see a
huge difference in TV timeouts, although there's no commercial break
after a
post-TD kick-off.
Someone just
Hmmm.now that I read back over this thread, maybe we *are* talking about
two
different things. I'm specifically talking about the NFL's blackout rule.
I'm not aware of any rules affecting the broadcast of the home games of
any
of the other major sports.
The other rule may be the one that
I think Doug's original question still stands unanswered: How did the
original rule ever serve the public interest? Similarly, how does getting
rid of the rule serve the public interest?
I doubt the original rule had anything to do with the viewing public's
interest. It's about making sure
But the rule does not apply only to the NFL - it applies to any sporting
even that is locally blacked out, even if it is just by contractual
agreement.
I think that the NFL's blackout rule is a voluntary agreement between it
and the networks (albeit one enacted on pain of Congressional
I guess Hawaii Five 0 has been pretty successful, but it still seems like
the batting average for rebooting vintage network shows is pretty weak -
and can't be much better, if at all, than a new start up. I am just
interested in knowing what the thinking is behind these kinds of projects.
Do
There is a lot we do not know about the situation with Jonathan Martin,
Richie Incognito and the Miami Dolphins. I am content to wait until we get
more information before reaching any conclusions.
But there are a few things we already do know:
1. Richie Incognito is an out of control
I'd not been able to watch the special on Saturday
on account of I GOT MARRIED, so this was my
first viewing.
What a lame excuse. And congratulations.
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I'm surprised the NHL locked itself in for this long. In 12 years, the
media landscape could be radically different and they may be leaving some
money on the table. It also means that after that length of time there
won't necessarily be other bidders willing or able to put up the money
when
Apparently, some number of affiliates aired a crawl explaining that the
show was taped in advance during the solve, and all of the cases where
I've
seen it mentioned are in or west of the Rockies, so I kind of wonder if
nobody caught it before it started airing.
There was a crawl in
...for letting Rather stay on in the rebranding--his
magazine show is a very solid piece of television journalism, which can't
be said very often these days.
From what I've seen of 60 Minutes recently, it sounds like they could use
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At this stage, I now salivate at anything that represents a loss for Seth
MacFarlane. When you kill a cartoon dog, you deserve to lose your crappy
live action sitcom.
This may not lessen your dislike of MacFarlane, but
Jim Corno took the unsuccessful OTA pay TV service SportsVision to cable
in
1984 under the auspices of Cablevision and brought it to eventual
success,...
Was SportsVision Eddie Einhorn's baby?
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I took it and was told I'm closest to Boston, Washington, DC, and
Arlington, although Pittsburgh is orange enough that I'm not offended. For
whatever reason, the least similar spot is Milwaukee. Of course, the fact
that I've never had to figure out what to call a mountain lion (or whatever
name
But the transgender status of these ladies is not news, and they are not
on
the show to be interviewed by a journalist. As guests on a talk show they
do deserve the kind of consideration the author of the piece suggests.
OK, I'll bite. Why are they on the show? To discuss Robert Gates' memoir?
1. The onus remains on the manager to initial the reversal. While they
will
allow contact with a video coordinator in the clubhouse, why does MLB
decide to go with the NFL and refuse to allow the head coach to actually
see the play in question at a reasonable distance (i.e., not on the video
So Channel 4 is
now holding its fire, and hasn't aired the first couple of episodes from
January to ensure it has a clean run through to the end of the season.
Another reason that the cable model is better?
In the short term, maybe, but I suspect that in the longer term, cable nets
will do
Contrast what Leno says at 14:30 here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvlqOr00-X8
With this exchange from the Hollywood Reporter:
Leno: ...The politicians are always my favorite.
HR: Why?
Leno: Because it's real. They're not playing a role.
The YouTube video is an oddly edited recording of
I'm curious, and I think I expressed this curiosity when I commented on
the
abysmal Kirstie Alley/Rhea Perlman sitcom, but are we all just
forgetting/ignoring the Michael Richards n-word fiasco?
Apparently. That's why everywhere you look, you see another new project
with Michael Richards.
He
...but note that he was interviewed by Jim Nance,
and Nance of course was at the game (in Houston)
and Bush was outside the WH.
Jim Nantz did the interview. Jim Nance was a running back for the Boston
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Only Letterman's finale there drew more viewers. Following the Sochi
opening ceremony helped, too.
Being a half-hour earlier than usual probably didn't hurt, either.
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A Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara sitcom? What could be better? Throw in
Chris Elliott and shoot the whole thing in Canada? OK. Call it Schitts
Creek? Works for me.
What could be better? The Juul Haalmeyer Dancers?
Unfortunately, the serious answer would be John Candy. And while we might
No offense to Cornell (my mother was a loyal alum, and spoke of Ithica as
the most beautiful place in the US) but I always thought that Brown was a
Harvard alum.
That's what I remember as well. I also think Brown sat in the Evening News
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Fallon isn't a winner, at least not yet. At best, he is lucky... luckier
than his talent merits. NBC will keep him on at least until the next
merger
or regime-change brings in new top brass, but he won't get the ratings
Conan had when he had the show.
I was struck by two things while watching
One other win for Kimmel: He's now the only 11:35 show in Los Angeles.
Stars with something to promote who don't want to go back east are going to
end up his show. And while I don't expect anything approaching a war, it
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think it's as many as an NHL game, but I have seen an ice-cleaning crew
heading on to the ice before certain commercial break.
The ice-cleaning breaks exist, but I think NBC has been staying with the
game and showing
I know he did a *Midnight Special* appearance, but what was his
association
with Dick?
Brenner always struck me as a guy who would go anywhere he could work, so
it's not hard to imagine that he'd have done a Dick Clark show at some
point.
There was a period where he'd appear regularly on the
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I also seem to remember hearing that this clause also only applied if
Letterman's job became vacant mid-contract, and it was as much an
insurance
policy for CBS as it was a courtesy to him.
This is my recollection as well.
I don't see CBS putting a 50-year old Scot in the 11:30 chair,
I would hope that Stewart would want to continue his
skewering of the media. On TDS. I can't see him doing
fluff interviews for double the time length of what he
does now.
While I think Stewart is happy where he is now, replacing his idol is
probably the one other job he'd consider. Of
Leno may have had more viewers than Dave nationwide over the years, but
Dave is, without doubt, the iconic touchstone of comedy over the last
three
decades
Tim Goodman summed it up well in a nice tribute to Letterman:
Letterman already has a legacy -- and that's pretty much everybody else
Bill Carter talked to Dan Patrick:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4Do4aXG92gfeature=youtu.be
To touch on a couple points in this thread, Carter says it's not
coincidence that Colbert's contract expired the same time as Dave's, and
CBS wasn't expecting Letterman's announcement to come exactly
It looks like a new group of four programs will start on PBS this week with
Standup to Sitcom, about standup comics who laughed their way into
America's living rooms.
The other three are Doctors and Nurses (Following TV's long love affair
with doctors and nurses), Acting Funny (The backstage
Having Lindsay on the show and not talking about her sex life is like
having Bill O'Reilly on the show and not talking about being an asshole.
For better or worse, he doesn't do that with O'Reilly any more, either.
As far as Lohan goes:
1. We have no idea what agreements there might have been
The NFL does try to schedule games on the last Sunday to eliminate the
advantage of one team knowing another's result, but time zone issues and TV
preferences sometimes prevent it.
There's no way the league would reduce the number of windows for games that
day from three to one. They care a lot
It wouldn't be the first time a freshly cancelled host sat down with
Dave
The name that leaps to my mind is Norm McDonald, even if he wasn't a
talk-show host.
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I suppose this is the place to mention that on Saturday's hockey game, some
automation kicked in at 11:00 Eastern, and a few seconds kept looping as a
faceoff was about to happen during the second overtime. When NBC recovered
about a minute later, they hadn't missed the winning goal, so it wasn't
Is there any chance it could be someone besides Bob?
Don't forget Bob's years on Truth or Consequences. My money would be on
him, although someone like Bill Cullen (who may have even hosted the
original Price is Right) could be a contender.
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If someone says they're engaged, you can no longer assume the person
they're engaged to is of a different sex.
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The most remarkable thing about this to me is that they just left it in the
show, treating
If the cure for cancer was discovered tomorrow, can anybody state with
conviction that any of the major news anchors could grasp the complexity
of complex medical breakthroughs?
I doubt that any network anchor would ever have been able to grasp
something like that. It's possible that a
The tongue for this event is at least 3/4 of the way in its
cheek (there is a hot dog eating joke in there somewhere I suppose); its
not professional wrestling, it has more the feel of something between
Best
in Show and Dodgeball.
If ESPN gets this right, good for them. Pretty much everyone
Fallon's success and format may
not signal the death of late night talk shows as we have known them, but
it
might signal that a traditional talk show is no longer required to draw a
strong audience in that time slot. I expect we will be seeing traditional
talk shows in the late night time
Peter Pan played by a man means having to transpose a lot of music,
probably having to reorchestrate much of it, and creating problems with
any
duets or group numbers Peter is a part of. Good luck to them.
Geez. Count on someone who actually knows what he's talking about to bring
some reality
During the cold open, Craig mentioned that December 19 would be the last
show. Now we know.
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I've been doing some thinking on this topic...
So have I. I've been thinking about how I'd explain Letterman to someone
young enough that Dave was always the old guy on CBS, and some of it
dovetails nicely with what you've been thinking.
As far as the Carson Template goes, don't forget that in
The Super Bowl Ford commercial was fabulous, but it played in late January
of a presidential election year, and even though it was narrated by the
grumpy old man, it played for many like a pro-Obama commercial.
[Sidebard: While I don't think that ad had any direct impact on the
election...].
I think of what you describe more as popular media. Viral media, at
least in the strictest sense,
is never created with the thought we're going to make this go viral in
mind. Popular media is
often shared in the same channels as viral media, but comes from a place
of intentional mass
I'll agree with David that The Naked Time from TOS is a good introduction
to the characters, since they all get to be so extreme, and add The Naked
Now from TNG, which served the same purpose on that series.
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Siskel and Ebert worked because of the skills, character and relationship
of those two guys. I don't think those are the only two people who could
make it work, but it is not a format-driven kind of thing, and you can't
just throw any two people, even knowledgable critics, in front of the
I would feel less ashamed if my family walked in and saw me watching
Co-Ed Confidential than Scandal. And yet, God help me, I know I will
watch it again this Fall. That sh*t is pure crack, and it is definitely
wack. Somebody cancel it before I watch it again...
However good or bad it is, if
The only thing anyone should be suspended for is the use of Comic Sans.
If Dan Gilbert* could write about LeBron in Comic Sans without sanction, so
can LeBatard.
* - Dan Gilbert is the owner of the Cavaliers, who vented in Comic Sans
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What I'd really like to see is what happens if you combine the four
multi-team markets (NY, LA, Chicago, and SF/Oakland) and redraw
the second map.
Here's the original blog post with that map, where you can comment or look
for an e-mail address:
I happened to be watching the CBS Evening News at 7:00 Monday, which is
(usually) the rebroadcast of the newscast that was done live at 6:30. (All
times eastern.) They broke in a couple of times with special reports to
announce Williams' death. It makes sense for stations that showed the
newscast
As for special reports during the 7:00 show--they do that occasionally,
and it's always as awkward
as it sounds.
Essentially, the idea of We interrupt the news for some news...Now back to
the news. just feels bizarre.
I can't say as I've ever seen them do it during the 6:30 show.
A network
I don't think this has been posted here (at least I didn't
see it in the archives), but the article suggests that a
good shakeup of MTP (which I think applies to all
Sunday shows) could take some lessons from Last
Week Tonight (no, not to be funny, but other stuff).
Incidentally, no Geoff in the CNG promo.
From reading Josh Robert Thompson's Twitter postings (@joshrthompson), I
have the impression that he wants to move beyond Geoff. Of course, I
thought that Ferguson wanted to move beyond talk, so what do I know?
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... and watched the Giants game (another kind of disaster)
I was at that game, and since I didn't have a strong rooting interest found
it enjoyable. I had a great angle on Morneau running and Peavy's subsequent
balk, which still makes me laugh.
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