Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

2019-08-22 Thread Tom Wolper 
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:34 AM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> To be exact, all three networks had to divest their syndication and cable
> holdings as part of the Prime Access Rule.  CBS and ABC spun off their
> holdings as Viacom and Worldvision Enterprises, respectively.  Since most
> of NBC's filmed programs were produced by MCA/Universal, their smaller
> library was sold to National Telefilm Associates.  In the 80s, Worldvision
> was acquired by Taft Broadcasting while NTA changed its name to Republic
> Pictures, reflecting the ownership of that B picture studio's library.
> When Taft went under (after changing its name to Great American), Aaron
> Spelling acquired Worldvision and then sold out his holdings, including his
> shows, to Blockbuster, who then acquired Republic.  Blockbuster was then
> acquired by Viacom before the merger of Viacom and CBS, which is why
> essentially CBS ended up owning the pre-1971 program libraries of all three
> networks.
>
> At the time of the breakup, CBS was considered the weaker of the two
> companies, with just an OTA network, one premium channel, radio, billboards
> and Simon & Schuster, while Viacom kept all those famous cable channels and
> the hottest brand going Blockbuster.  Over the years, that did not hold up
> and CBS became the stronger company (with the radio stations and billboards
> sold off).
> 
>

Thanks for this rundown. I wondered why there was a modern Republic
Pictures slide at the end of some syndicated shows. It's worth noting that
CBS and Viacom together are still a relatively small property in today's
media business landscape and part of their merger might have to do with
preparing themselves for sale to a large conglomerate.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

2019-08-22 Thread Mark Jeffries 
To be exact, all three networks had to divest their syndication and cable
holdings as part of the Prime Access Rule.  CBS and ABC spun off their
holdings as Viacom and Worldvision Enterprises, respectively.  Since most
of NBC's filmed programs were produced by MCA/Universal, their smaller
library was sold to National Telefilm Associates.  In the 80s, Worldvision
was acquired by Taft Broadcasting while NTA changed its name to Republic
Pictures, reflecting the ownership of that B picture studio's library.
When Taft went under (after changing its name to Great American), Aaron
Spelling acquired Worldvision and then sold out his holdings, including his
shows, to Blockbuster, who then acquired Republic.  Blockbuster was then
acquired by Viacom before the merger of Viacom and CBS, which is why
essentially CBS ended up owning the pre-1971 program libraries of all three
networks.

At the time of the breakup, CBS was considered the weaker of the two
companies, with just an OTA network, one premium channel, radio, billboards
and Simon & Schuster, while Viacom kept all those famous cable channels and
the hottest brand going Blockbuster.  Over the years, that did not hold up
and CBS became the stronger company (with the radio stations and billboards
sold off).

Mark Jeffries
Saints Spotlight Editor
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On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:55 AM M-D November  wrote:

> Minor correction - the ORIGINAL Viacom was spun off of CBS to act as their
> syndication arm; they were forced to divest in the early '70s. In the late
> 90s, THAT version of Viacom ultimately bought Westinghouse (which, by then,
> had bought CBS and renamed itself after the network).  They split again in
> 2006; the company that became CBS, Inc. was essentially the legal successor
> to the original Viacom (as well as CBS), whereas the entity known as Viacom
> was, essentially, a new company.
>
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 7:27:00 AM UTC-4, Doug Fields wrote:
>>
>> The original Viacom owned CBS for several years, until the company
>> decided to split in the mid-00s due to stock market strategy (and as a
>> solution to an internal power struggle between Les Moonves and whoever the
>> guy in charge of MTV was at the time, over who would replace Sumner
>> Redstone when he retired).
>>
>> The original Viacom took the name "CBS Corporation" after the split, with
>> the rest of the company (MTV, BET, Paramount Pictures, etc) taking the name
>> "Viacom" as a completely new entity.  Now, with this merger, they're
>> putting the band back together, the way it was 15 years ago.
>>
>> Doug Fields
>> Tampa, FL
>>
>> ------
>> *From:* tvor...@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>> Doug Eastick 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2019 6:58 AM
>> *To:* tvor...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again
>>
>> Why did I think that CBS had been owned by Viacom for years already?
>>  Were they already "close" on many fronts?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue., Aug. 13, 2019, 2:28 p.m. Kevin M.,  wrote:
>>
>> Here is the formal announcement
>>
>>
>> https://www.cbscorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ViacomCBS-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> All that's left is the formal announcement, which Deadline says will come
>> this afternoon (8/13)... both firms' stock prices recovered following big
>> plunges Monday...
>>
>> https://deadline.com/2019/08/cbs-viacom-merger-deal-price-1202667116/
>> (link)
>>
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

2019-08-14 Thread chialex 
Just me thinking back to the mid 2000s. No worries. 

-From: "Doug Fields" 
To: "tvornottv@googlegroups.com"
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday August 14 2019 12:43:51PM
Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

   ??? Where do you see anything saying they're trying to get
Paramount Parks back? This merger is strictly between CBS and Viacom.
Cedar Fair (and Paramount Parks) isn't involved at all, unless I
missed something in the press release.  
   Doug Fields  Tampa, FL  
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 FROM: tvornottv@googlegroups.com  on behalf of chia...@nc.rr.com 
 SENT: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 10:44 AM
 TO: 'tvornottv@googlegroups.com' 
 SUBJECT: Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together againA propos of
nothing, but I don't see Cedar Fair giving up the parks it gained in
the Paramount Parks deal. But that's neither here nor there. 

 ~D

- From: "Doug Fields" 
 To: "tvornottv@googlegroups.com"
 Cc: 
 Sent: Wednesday August 14 2019 7:26:55AM
 Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

  The original Viacom owned CBS for several years, until the company
decided to split in the mid-00s due to stock market strategy (and as a
solution to an internal power struggle between Les Moonves and whoever
the guy in charge of MTV was at the time, over who would replace
Sumner Redstone when he retired).  
   The original Viacom took the name "CBS Corporation" after the
split, with the rest of the company (MTV, BET, Paramount Pictures,
etc) taking the name "Viacom" as a completely new entity. Now, with
this merger, they're putting the band back together, the way it was 15
years ago.  
   Doug Fields  Tampa, FL   

-
 FROM: tvornottv@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Doug Eastick 
 SENT: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 6:58 AM
 TO: tvornottv@googlegroups.com 
 SUBJECT: Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again Why did I
think that CBS had been owned by Viacom for years already? Were they
already "close" on many fronts? 

  On Tue., Aug. 13, 2019, 2:28 p.m. Kevin M.,  wrote:
Here is the formal announcement   
[2]
[3]https://www.cbscorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ViacomCBS-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf
[4] 

  On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV  wrote:
All that's left is the formal announcement, which Deadline says
will come this afternoon (8/13)... both firms' stock prices recovered
following big plunges Monday... 
   [6]
[7]https://deadline.com/2019/08/cbs-viacom-merger-deal-price-1202667116/
[8] (link)   
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

2019-08-14 Thread M-D November 
Per the 'pedia, Cedar Fair terminated their licensing agreement with CBS 
for Paramount properties (like Star Trek) in 2007-2008.  As for the parks 
themselves, some have been integrated into Cedar Fair's operations, and 
some have been sold.

It wouldn't be in CBS's best interest to go after Cedar Fair (either to get 
the parks back or to acquire the company as a whole) - unless you're Disney 
or Comcast and have the ancillary business to prop them up during down 
times, theme parks tend to be a losing proposition for movie 
studios/entertainment companies in the US.  (And I say this having worked 
at Six Flags Great Adventure at the tail end of the Time Warner era.)

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 10:45:02 AM UTC-4, BigOShowtime wrote:
>
> A propos of nothing, but I don't see Cedar Fair giving up the parks it 
> gained in the Paramount Parks deal. But that's neither here nor there. 
>
> ~D
>
> -
> From: "Doug Fields" 
> To: "tvor...@googlegroups.com "
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday August 14 2019 7:26:55AM
> Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again
>
> The original Viacom owned CBS for several years, until the company decided 
> to split in the mid-00s due to stock market strategy (and as a solution to 
> an internal power struggle between Les Moonves and whoever the guy in 
> charge of MTV was at the time, over who would replace Sumner Redstone when 
> he retired).
>
> The original Viacom took the name "CBS Corporation" after the split, with 
> the rest of the company (MTV, BET, Paramount Pictures, etc) taking the name 
> "Viacom" as a completely new entity.  Now, with this merger, they're 
> putting the band back together, the way it was 15 years ago.
>
> Doug Fields
> Tampa, FL
>
> --
> *From:* tvor...@googlegroups.com   > on behalf of Doug Eastick >
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2019 6:58 AM
> *To:* tvor...@googlegroups.com   >
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again 
>  
> Why did I think that CBS had been owned by Viacom for years already?  
>  Were they already "close" on many fronts? 
>
>
>
> On Tue., Aug. 13, 2019, 2:28 p.m. Kevin M.,  > wrote:
>
> Here is the formal announcement 
>
>
> <https://www.cbscorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ViacomCBS-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf>
> https://www.cbscorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ViacomCBS-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvor...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> All that's left is the formal announcement, which Deadline says will come 
> this afternoon (8/13)... both firms' stock prices recovered following big 
> plunges Monday...
>
> <https://deadline.com/2019/08/cbs-viacom-merger-deal-price-1202667116/>
> https://deadline.com/2019/08/cbs-viacom-merger-deal-price-1202667116/ 
> (link)
>
> B
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

2019-08-14 Thread M-D November 
Minor correction - the ORIGINAL Viacom was spun off of CBS to act as their 
syndication arm; they were forced to divest in the early '70s. In the late 
90s, THAT version of Viacom ultimately bought Westinghouse (which, by then, 
had bought CBS and renamed itself after the network).  They split again in 
2006; the company that became CBS, Inc. was essentially the legal successor 
to the original Viacom (as well as CBS), whereas the entity known as Viacom 
was, essentially, a new company.

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 7:27:00 AM UTC-4, Doug Fields wrote:
>
> The original Viacom owned CBS for several years, until the company decided 
> to split in the mid-00s due to stock market strategy (and as a solution to 
> an internal power struggle between Les Moonves and whoever the guy in 
> charge of MTV was at the time, over who would replace Sumner Redstone when 
> he retired).
>
> The original Viacom took the name "CBS Corporation" after the split, with 
> the rest of the company (MTV, BET, Paramount Pictures, etc) taking the name 
> "Viacom" as a completely new entity.  Now, with this merger, they're 
> putting the band back together, the way it was 15 years ago.
>
> Doug Fields
> Tampa, FL
>
> --
> *From:* tvor...@googlegroups.com   > on behalf of Doug Eastick >
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2019 6:58 AM
> *To:* tvor...@googlegroups.com   >
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again 
>  
> Why did I think that CBS had been owned by Viacom for years already?  
>  Were they already "close" on many fronts? 
>
>
>
> On Tue., Aug. 13, 2019, 2:28 p.m. Kevin M.,  > wrote:
>
> Here is the formal announcement 
>
>
> https://www.cbscorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ViacomCBS-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvor...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> All that's left is the formal announcement, which Deadline says will come 
> this afternoon (8/13)... both firms' stock prices recovered following big 
> plunges Monday...
>
> https://deadline.com/2019/08/cbs-viacom-merger-deal-price-1202667116/ 
> (link)
>
> B
>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

2019-08-14 Thread Doug Fields 
???  Where do you see anything saying they're trying to get Paramount Parks 
back?  This merger is strictly between CBS and Viacom.  Cedar Fair (and 
Paramount Parks) isn't involved at all, unless I missed something in the press 
release.

Doug Fields
Tampa, FL

From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
chia...@nc.rr.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 10:44 AM
To: 'tvornottv@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

A propos of nothing, but I don't see Cedar Fair giving up the parks it gained 
in the Paramount Parks deal. But that's neither here nor there.

~D


-

From: "Doug Fields"
To: "tvornottv@googlegroups.com"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday August 14 2019 7:26:55AM
Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

The original Viacom owned CBS for several years, until the company decided to 
split in the mid-00s due to stock market strategy (and as a solution to an 
internal power struggle between Les Moonves and whoever the guy in charge of 
MTV was at the time, over who would replace Sumner Redstone when he retired).

The original Viacom took the name "CBS Corporation" after the split, with the 
rest of the company (MTV, BET, Paramount Pictures, etc) taking the name 
"Viacom" as a completely new entity.  Now, with this merger, they're putting 
the band back together, the way it was 15 years ago.

Doug Fields
Tampa, FL


From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Doug 
Eastick 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 6:58 AM
To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

Why did I think that CBS had been owned by Viacom for years already?   Were 
they already "close" on many fronts?



On Tue., Aug. 13, 2019, 2:28 p.m. Kevin M., 
mailto:drunkbastar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Here is the formal announcement

<https://www.cbscorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ViacomCBS-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf>https://www.cbscorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ViacomCBS-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf


On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
All that's left is the formal announcement, which Deadline says will come this 
afternoon (8/13)... both firms' stock prices recovered following big plunges 
Monday...

<https://deadline.com/2019/08/cbs-viacom-merger-deal-price-1202667116/>https://deadline.com/2019/08/cbs-viacom-merger-deal-price-1202667116/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

2019-08-14 Thread chialex 
A propos of nothing, but I don't see Cedar Fair giving up the parks it
gained in the Paramount Parks deal. But that's neither here nor there.


~D

-From: "Doug Fields" 
To: "tvornottv@googlegroups.com"
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday August 14 2019 7:26:55AM
Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

   The original Viacom owned CBS for several years, until the company
decided to split in the mid-00s due to stock market strategy (and as a
solution to an internal power struggle between Les Moonves and whoever
the guy in charge of MTV was at the time, over who would replace
Sumner Redstone when he retired).  
   The original Viacom took the name "CBS Corporation" after the
split, with the rest of the company (MTV, BET, Paramount Pictures,
etc) taking the name "Viacom" as a completely new entity. Now, with
this merger, they're putting the band back together, the way it was 15
years ago.  
   Doug Fields  Tampa, FL   

-
 FROM: tvornottv@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Doug Eastick 
 SENT: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 6:58 AM
 TO: tvornottv@googlegroups.com 
 SUBJECT: Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again Why did I
think that CBS had been owned by Viacom for years already? Were they
already "close" on many fronts? 

  On Tue., Aug. 13, 2019, 2:28 p.m. Kevin M.,  wrote:
Here is the formal announcement   
   
[2]https://www.cbscorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ViacomCBS-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf
[3] 

  On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV  wrote:
All that's left is the formal announcement, which Deadline says
will come this afternoon (8/13)... both firms' stock prices recovered
following big plunges Monday... 
  
[5]https://deadline.com/2019/08/cbs-viacom-merger-deal-price-1202667116/
[6] (link)   
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

2019-08-14 Thread 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 

Doug Fields, to Doug Eastick and Kevin M, in part today (8/14):
>
> The original Viacom owned CBS for several years, until the company decided 
> to split in the mid-00s due to stock market strategy (and as a solution to 
> an internal power struggle between Les Moonves and whoever the guy in 
> charge of MTV was at the time, over who would replace Sumner Redstone when 
> he retired).
>
>  
Tom Freston. Possibly better known today as chairman of anti-poverty 
charity ONE Campaign.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

2019-08-14 Thread Doug Fields 
The original Viacom owned CBS for several years, until the company decided to 
split in the mid-00s due to stock market strategy (and as a solution to an 
internal power struggle between Les Moonves and whoever the guy in charge of 
MTV was at the time, over who would replace Sumner Redstone when he retired).

The original Viacom took the name "CBS Corporation" after the split, with the 
rest of the company (MTV, BET, Paramount Pictures, etc) taking the name 
"Viacom" as a completely new entity.  Now, with this merger, they're putting 
the band back together, the way it was 15 years ago.

Doug Fields
Tampa, FL


From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Doug 
Eastick 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 6:58 AM
To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

Why did I think that CBS had been owned by Viacom for years already?   Were 
they already "close" on many fronts?



On Tue., Aug. 13, 2019, 2:28 p.m. Kevin M., 
mailto:drunkbastar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Here is the formal announcement

https://www.cbscorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ViacomCBS-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf


On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
All that's left is the formal announcement, which Deadline says will come this 
afternoon (8/13)... both firms' stock prices recovered following big plunges 
Monday...

https://deadline.com/2019/08/cbs-viacom-merger-deal-price-1202667116/ (link)

B




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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

2019-08-14 Thread Doug Eastick 
Why did I think that CBS had been owned by Viacom for years already?   Were
they already "close" on many fronts?



On Tue., Aug. 13, 2019, 2:28 p.m. Kevin M., 
wrote:

> Here is the formal announcement
>
>
> https://www.cbscorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ViacomCBS-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> All that's left is the formal announcement, which Deadline says will come
>> this afternoon (8/13)... both firms' stock prices recovered following big
>> plunges Monday...
>>
>> https://deadline.com/2019/08/cbs-viacom-merger-deal-price-1202667116/
>> (link)
>>
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS, Viacom together again

2019-08-13 Thread Kevin M. 
Here is the formal announcement

https://www.cbscorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ViacomCBS-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf


On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> All that's left is the formal announcement, which Deadline says will come
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> plunges Monday...
>
> https://deadline.com/2019/08/cbs-viacom-merger-deal-price-1202667116/
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