Hi,
As some of you may already know (either through a backchannel or because you
talked to me at Europython), there has been some talk about moving Twisted
way from Trac+SVN to somewhere that isn't Trac+SVN.
A lot of the devs do like SVN. My guess is that that's mainly because they
don't
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
...
Although I've hated git for a long while (and I still don't like it very
much), I firmly believe Github is the right thing for Twisted. My incredibly
unscientific poll amongst people who like Twisted but aren't devs is
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Although I've hated git for a long while (and I still don't like it very
much), I firmly believe Github is the right thing for Twisted. My incredibly
unscientific poll amongst people who like Twisted but aren't devs is that
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Tristan Seligmann
mithra...@mithrandi.netwrote:
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by aren't devs. Do you mean
aren't Twisted developers? I don't see why someone who isn't a
developer would particularly care what development tools Twisted uses.
Yes,
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Although I've hated git for a long while (and I still don't like it very
much), I firmly believe Github is the right thing for Twisted. My incredibly
unscientific poll amongst people who like Twisted but aren't devs
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 12:29:01PM +0200, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
There's a few existing hosting solutions:
1. Launchpad (+ Bazaar as the default vcs)
2. Bitbucket (+ Mercurial as the default vcs)
3. Github (+ Git as the default vcs)
As a very-occasional Twisted contributor (but
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 12:48:37PM +0200, Tristan Seligmann wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Although I've hated git for a long while (and I still don't like it very
much), I firmly believe Github is the right thing for Twisted. My incredibly
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Tim Allen screwt...@froup.com wrote:
On the other hand, using git would probably complicate the build/review
process: since Github repositories are (as far as I know) owned by
individuals, you might not be able to set up access for multiple people,
and hence
On 1 July 2011 14:01, Tim Allen screwt...@froup.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 12:48:37PM +0200, Tristan Seligmann wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Although I've hated git for a long while (and I still don't like it very
much), I firmly
Le 01/07/2011 12:29, Laurens Van Houtven a écrit :
Hi,
As some of you may already know (either through a backchannel or because you
talked to me at Europython), there has been some talk about moving Twisted
way from Trac+SVN to somewhere that isn't Trac+SVN.
A lot of the devs do like
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Is the reason you would prefer bitbucket over github related to bitbucket
and github, or git and hg?
The latter. Launchpad+bzr is at the top of my list because of
Launchpad; Bitbucket+hg ranks over Github+git because of hg.
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:29 +0200, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
Unless someone is going to go all NO GITHUB IS TERRIBLE AND YOU ARE A
BAD PERSON FOR EVEN SUGGESTING IT on me, maybe we can talk about
planning the transition? :)
Unless I'm mistaken, Github is a proprietary system, which means I'm
Hi,
I have to write tests for a custom conch server. My approach is to make a
test client and then connect it to my server in my testcase. I have been
able to create a client that can interface with my server, but i'm not able
to do it from within the test case.
What I'm trying is :
class
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Thomas Hervé the...@free.fr wrote:
...
Thanks for pushing this. Personally, I would prefer Launchpad and Bzr,
but we've been thinking about using it for the past 3 years, and nothing
really happened. What I really care about is that we move away from Trac
(for
On 12:14 pm, anshul.sing...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I have to write tests for a custom conch server. My approach is to make
a
test client and then connect it to my server in my testcase. I have
been
able to create a client that can interface with my server, but i'm not
able
to do it from within
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Itamar Turner-Trauring
ita...@itamarst.orgwrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, Github is a proprietary system, which means I'm
unhappy about hosting our project there. At the minimum I'd want a very
good story about how we can get all our data out if we need to. And
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 05:44:31PM +0530, Anshul Singhle wrote:
What I'm trying is :
class TestAccountStatus(unittest.TestCase):
Is that the Python standard library's unittest.TestCase, or
twisted.trial.unittest.TestCase? As Jean-Paul says, Twisted's TestCase
should automatically handle the
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Itamar Turner-Trauring
ita...@itamarst.orgwrote:
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:29 +0200, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
Unless someone is going to go all NO GITHUB IS TERRIBLE AND YOU ARE A
BAD PERSON FOR EVEN SUGGESTING IT on me, maybe we can talk about
planning
Is that the Python standard library's unittest.TestCase, or
twisted.trial.unittest.TestCase? As Jean-Paul says, Twisted's TestCase
should automatically handle the reactor for you; that's why it exists.
:)
It is Twisted's TestCase( twisted.trial.unittest.TestCase)
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Jonathan Lange j...@mumak.net wrote:
I support Twisted moving to a DVCS and to something better than Trac.
I personally would prefer Twisted to use Launchpad.
Some points:
* Launchpad is much faster now that it was six months ago
Launchpad's definitely
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Jonathan Lange j...@mumak.net wrote:
...
* Launchpad is open source therefore patchable
Yes, that's a good point. I like that it's open source (although it has an
unfortunate license). Is
On 12:59 pm, anshul.sing...@gmail.com wrote:
I understand that. The problem I'm facing is that unless I write
reactor.run() my client isn't starting up. From what I understood in
the
trial documentation, I should simply call the connectTCP method and
then
return a deferred. However, if I do
Le 01/07/2011 14:14, Itamar Turner-Trauring a écrit :
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:29 +0200, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
Unless someone is going to go all NO GITHUB IS TERRIBLE AND YOU ARE A
BAD PERSON FOR EVEN SUGGESTING IT on me, maybe we can talk about
planning the transition? :)
Unless I'm
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Jonathan Lange j...@mumak.net wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Jonathan Lange j...@mumak.net wrote:
...
* Launchpad is open source therefore patchable
Yes, that's a good
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Thomas Hervé the...@free.fr wrote:
Well, even not thinking about new developers, a DVCS will make the life
of current ones easier. Even though we can start to use bzr, it's a bit
clumsy IMHO.
Also, apparently there are ways of using bzr-svn that confuse the
Ok, here goes :
The test code :
from twisted.trial import unittest
from twisted.internet import defer, protocol, reactor
class TestAccountStatus(unittest.TestCase):
def setUp(self):
ssh_server = Server()
self.server = reactor.listenTCP(ssh_server.port,
+1 for github. The user experience of bitbucket and LP is
secondary compared to github.
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On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 15:23 +0200, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
Well, part of the hypothesis of the effects of moving to Github is
that a) the clear separation between core contributor and random
contributor because a bit more subtle, b) it becomes easier for
external contributors to
This, I believe, is the real problem -- tickets which were reviewed but
never closed:
http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/report/16
That is a very sad list.
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On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 19:11 +0530, Anshul Singhle wrote:
def test_1(self):
def got_data(data):
self.assertEquals(data,a)
d = protocol.ClientCreator(reactor,
SimpleTransport).connectTCP('localhost', self.server.getHost().port)
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
...
Well, part of the hypothesis of the effects of moving to Github is that a)
the clear separation between core contributor and random contributor
because a bit more subtle, b) it becomes easier for external contributors
ClientCreator.connectTCP returns a Deferred that fires with a Protocol
instance (in this case, a SimpleTransport instance), which you are then
comparing with a string in got_data(). This fails, as one would expect.
So then how do i get the protocol to run? and how do i get the data
received
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Thomas Hervé the...@free.fr wrote:
...
One thing that concerns me is that Trac supposedly supports bzr, and we
tried to use bzr, but never made the move completely. Why do you think
it will change? Is it just that we didn't take any decisions? Or that
nobody
Le 01/07/2011 15:44, Itamar Turner-Trauring a écrit :
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 15:23 +0200, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
Well, part of the hypothesis of the effects of moving to Github is
that a) the clear separation between core contributor and random
contributor because a bit more subtle, b)
Well, that logic is a bit flawed though: you're kind of saying that we
shouldn't use a better tool because it may bring us more contributors
than we can handle. At the end of the day, we would still use a better
tool though.
No, I'm saying that given limited resources, addressing the giant
Hi all,
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:00 +0100, Reza Lotun wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Although I've hated git for a long while (and I still don't
like it very much), I firmly believe Github is the right thing
for Twisted.
If the patch applies cleanly, pull requests can even be merged without
involving git directly at all, from the Github web UI.
cheers
lvh
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Itamar makes an excellent point. That probably is one of the worst problems
we have right now. and it definitely needs to be addressed.
Figuring out how code could end up not-in-the-attic sounds like part of the
transition plan to me. I do, in fact, think Github means patches are less
likely to
In order to have at least some anecdotal evidence --
If you've submitted a patch to Twisted (or started a branch) and it never
made it in, how did that happen? I imagine reasons might include a review
request to write tests, redesign requests, getting distracted, it works
for me, design
On 01/07/11 17:08, Itamar Turner-Trauring wrote:
In order to have at least some anecdotal evidence --
If you've submitted a patch to Twisted (or started a branch) and it never
made it in, how did that happen? I imagine reasons might include a review
request to write tests, redesign requests,
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Hi,
First, I encourage everyone to take a look at (and update)
http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/WorkflowRequirements
It was created a while back and hasn't been updated in a long time.
Second:
1. Launchpad (+
On Jul 1, 2011, at 7:44, Itamar Turner-Trauring ita...@itamarst.org wrote:
I'm not sure getting more patches should be our main goal, for now.
(It's a good *long term* goal!).
We have a large number of uncommitted third-party patches in tickets.
2 of those are mine. They're almost to the
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Christopher Armstrong
ra...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Hi,
First, I encourage everyone to take a look at (and
update) http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/WorkflowRequirements
It was created
On 01/07/11 11:29, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
Hi,
As some of you may already know (either through a backchannel or because
you talked to me at Europython), there has been some talk about moving
Twisted way from Trac+SVN to somewhere that isn't Trac+SVN.
A lot of the devs do like SVN. My
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Thomas Hervé the...@free.fr wrote:
Le 01/07/2011 16:42, Itamar Turner-Trauring a écrit :
Well, that logic is a bit flawed though: you're kind of saying that we
shouldn't use a better tool because it may bring us more contributors
than we can handle. At the
Hi all,
On 01.07.2011 18:36, Phil Mayers wrote:
However, more constructively (less whiney!) some tickets languished in
make these tiny cleanups and that's just incredibly painful in the
current setup, with SVN and Trac mediating things.
I've got absolutely no interest in pulling SVN head,
On Jul 1, 2011, at 6:29 AM, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
As some of you may already know (either through a backchannel or because you
talked to me at Europython), there has been some talk about moving Twisted
way from Trac+SVN to somewhere that isn't Trac+SVN.
A lot of the devs do like
On Jul 1, 2011, at 1:08 PM, chris wrote:
doing continuous development based on tools like
svn and trac is really painful and it's really difficult to motivate
yourself to work on a once rejected ticket
Can you be more specific, please? What's painful?
Procedurally, it's almost the same
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Hi,
As some of you may already know (either through a backchannel or because
you talked to me at Europython), there has been some talk about moving
Twisted way from Trac+SVN to somewhere that isn't Trac+SVN.
A lot of
On Jul 1, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
On Jul 1, 2011, at 1:08 PM, chris wrote:
doing continuous development based on tools like
svn and trac is really painful and it's really difficult to motivate
yourself to work on a once rejected ticket
Can you
Although, the other questions raised in this thread, about what parts of our
workflow are problematic, are worth talking about separately.
Moving from a manual patch-based process to a DVCS where branching is cheap and
the workflow can be moved to push/pull would be a huge step in the right
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Kevin Horn kevin.h...@gmail.com wrote:
* Does Github's ticketing system have the kind of integration with Git
that Twisted has built for Trac+SVN? Bitbucket has some similar stuff,
so I would be surprised if Github didn't, but I just don't know.
Stuff
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On Jul 1, 2011, at 11:41, Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
Can you be more specific, please? What's painful?
Re-syncing whatever changes JP (just as an example of a reviewer) has made back
into your local repo from SVN...which due to
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Itamar Turner-Trauring ita...@itamarst.org
wrote:
In order to have at least some anecdotal evidence --
If you've submitted a patch to Twisted (or started a branch) and it never
made it in, how did that happen? I imagine reasons might include a review
request
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.comwrote:
On Jul 1, 2011, at 1:08 PM, chris wrote:
doing continuous development based on tools like
svn and trac is really painful and it's really difficult to motivate
yourself to work on a once rejected ticket
Can you
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Kevin Horn kevin.h...@gmail.com wrote:
* Git is annoying. It's a pretty horrible piece of software in my
opinion, and made some bad design decisions.
magit makes it a lot more
It would be far simpler to setup my DVCS to track JP's remote copy of my
ticket's branch...then simply pull from that remote...make my changes and
request he pull from me when he's ready to review. Automates the whole
process quite a bit and reduces the round trip yak shaving.
Any reason you
On Jul 1, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Tom Davis wrote:
On Jul 1, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
On Jul 1, 2011, at 1:08 PM, chris wrote:
doing continuous development based on tools like
svn and trac is really painful and it's really difficult to motivate
Twisted has a very polite club-like culture where some are on the inside,
most aren't and it's clear where on that line anyone is. Submitting to the
pain of the current submission tools almost seems viewed as a kind of
worthwhile hazing to weed out the unworthy. A lot of the resistance to
I did not say contributing shouldn't be easier; I said getting more
contributions is pointless (and annoying to contributors!) if we can't
manage to get them incorporated into trunk. If DVCS will make code easier
to incorporate, by encouraging contributors to iterate on patches, then we
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 1:27 AM, Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.comwrote:
When you do a review, try to be as thorough as possible. Don't *ever* do
a review that says update @since markers or 2 blank lines between
methods and nothing else
With Github's edit-this-file-on-the-web feature,
On 1 Jul, 11:27 pm, gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
On Jul 1, 2011, at 6:57 PM, David Ripton wrote:
Working with patches because you don't have svn commit rights is
annoying, but this annoyance is a relatively minor fixed cost.
It's still important for us to reduce this cost; even if it's not
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 09:11:34PM +0200, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Itamar Turner-Trauring
ita...@itamarst.orgwrote:
Or for that matter, you can include e.g. an github URL in the ticket
instead of attaching the patch.
Only if there's a decent Github mirror
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 02:23, Tim Allen screwt...@froup.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 09:11:34PM +0200, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
Only if there's a decent Github mirror to fork from, otherwise you're asking
people to do a multi-hour operation (I know, because I'm doing it right now)
to
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Jason J. W. Williams
jasonjwwilli...@gmail.com wrote:
Because they don't always seem to track the ticket branch folders in a
timely manner. Especially, when JP (he seems to usually be my reviewer :) )
pushes a modification of my patch to the ticket branch. It's
What data do you care about? Wikis and code are in git repositories,
and they have a very exhaustive API[0] for pretty much everything
else.
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Mikhail Terekhov ter...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Itamar Turner-Trauring ita...@itamarst.org
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