[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-18 Thread Chad Etzel
So it appears that most (if not all) of the trending bots have been removed from search results as of 2 days ago, nice. I have also noticed that the referral traffic from my bot links have dropped about 85% in the last two days. Not complaining; I'm all for this change. Just noticing out loud.

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-09 Thread Chad Etzel
oh noes... now even al3x is a trending bot: http://twitter.com/al3x/status/1302097888 On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:07 PM, TjL wrote: > > The more I think about this, the more I realize that there really > ought to be a "logged in" version of Twitter Search. > > Not that you would HAVE to login, but

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-09 Thread TjL
The more I think about this, the more I realize that there really ought to be a "logged in" version of Twitter Search. Not that you would HAVE to login, but IF you were logged in: People you have BLOCKED would not appear. People who have private accounts you follow WOULD appear. That way you c

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-09 Thread Nick Arnett
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Paul Kinlan wrote: > On the topic of bots, http://www.itsabot.com works pretty well most of the > time. My list is now updating live: http://www.twurlednews.com/twitter-bots/ Nick

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-09 Thread Paul Kinlan
On the topic of bots, http://www.itsabot.com works pretty well most of the time. Paul 2009/3/9 TjL > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Chad Etzel wrote: > > > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, TjL wrote: > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Cameron Kaiser > wrote: > >>> > IMO, "tr

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-09 Thread TjL
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Chad Etzel wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, TjL wrote: >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: >>> IMO, "trend bots" should have to be registered with Twitter (they say what they are going to use their API access for, righ

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-08 Thread Chad Etzel
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, TjL wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: >> >>> IMO, "trend bots" should have to be registered with Twitter (they say >>> what they are going to use their API access for, right?) and should >>> excluded from Twitter search. >> >> How do

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-08 Thread TjL
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > >> IMO, "trend bots" should have to be registered with Twitter (they say >> what they are going to use their API access for, right?) and should >> excluded from Twitter search. > > How do you enforce bots registering as bots, however? Well,

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-08 Thread Cameron Kaiser
> IMO, "trend bots" should have to be registered with Twitter (they say > what they are going to use their API access for, right?) and should > excluded from Twitter search. How do you enforce bots registering as bots, however? -- personal: http://www.camero

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-08 Thread TjL
Here's the latest example of bots drowning out actual posts: http://tntluoma.com/temp/TrendBots.png (screenshot) Of 11 visible results: 4 are actual content (although 2 are ReTweets, which is another issue altogether, but at least they are humans) 7 are bots. Almost 2x as many bots as actual

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-06 Thread Nick Arnett
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Chad Etzel wrote: > > Just make sure not to feed @RobotTweeters to itself... you may rip a > blackhole in the tweet/space continuum! I endeavor to never cross the streams. Nick

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-06 Thread Chad Etzel
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: > I created @RoboTweeters this morning.  I'll probably start feeding it screen > names and ids of the ones I find, since that's quite simple. > Nick Just make sure not to feed @RobotTweeters to itself... you may rip a blackhole in the tweet/spac

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-06 Thread Nick Arnett
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > > I agree, most ppl probably won't abide by any guidelines that they > > have to 'voluntarily' follow in order to identify themselves at bots. > > It's pretty darn easy to tell if something is a trend bot or not... > > especially with the

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-06 Thread Cameron Kaiser
> I agree, most ppl probably won't abide by any guidelines that they > have to 'voluntarily' follow in order to identify themselves at bots. > It's pretty darn easy to tell if something is a trend bot or not... > especially with the username :) Matt even said they've identified > them (uh oh, i'm

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-06 Thread Nick Arnett
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:09 PM, TjL wrote: > > Specifically > > 1) There are WAY to many "trending topic" bots which fill search > results with useless clutter > > 2) I'd love to see a "trending topics" list that does NOT include hash > tags, you know, to find out what ordinary people are talki

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-06 Thread Chad Etzel
I agree, most ppl probably won't abide by any guidelines that they have to 'voluntarily' follow in order to identify themselves at bots. It's pretty darn easy to tell if something is a trend bot or not... especially with the username :) Matt even said they've identified them (uh oh, i'm on some k

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-06 Thread Peter Denton
I am skeptical that bot devs, (outside of the integrious Jazzy Chad), will do anything to encourage segregation, as it would probably lead to a nuking list at some point. I would say this has to be done programatically, with a "secret sauce" that is known to twitter only. As search is more and mor

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-06 Thread Nick Arnett
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Matt Sanford wrote: > Hi there, > We've talked about this among the search folks a few times. We exclude > a bunch of bots and things from influencing trends but then they still get > displayed. I just opened a ticket for someone to fix that so we can exclude >

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-06 Thread Matt Sanford
Hi there, We've talked about this among the search folks a few times. We exclude a bunch of bots and things from influencing trends but then they still get displayed. I just opened a ticket for someone to fix that so we can exclude the trend bots using a parameter or search operator.

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-06 Thread Peter Denton
what I think is also important is that the bots are then contributing to the trending itself, and eliminating other legitimate topics from trends. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:25 AM, TjL wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Doug Williams wrote: > > In your experience, do trending bots have a

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-06 Thread Chad Etzel
Well, it's kind of a weird feedback loop. Say you are following a trending bot (many many people do, a surprising number to me). As soon as you see a tweet from your favorite trending bot, you click the link and head over to see the results Well, all the other bots are tweeting at about the

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-06 Thread TjL
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Doug Williams wrote: > In your experience, do trending bots have a disproportionate > participation in the search results for trending topics? Have you done > any analysis like that? I'm not Chad :-) but if you click on any of the Trending Topics and watch for an

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-06 Thread Doug Williams
Chad, In your experience, do trending bots have a disproportionate participation in the search results for trending topics? Have you done any analysis like that? Doug Williams @dougw On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Burhan TANWEER wrote: > I agree with him. Search trends are not available in xm

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-06 Thread Burhan TANWEER
I agree with him. Search trends are not available in xml format. I will appreciate, if twitter can provide search trends in xml and so that i can update my social search engine ExploreWWW.com with search trends in real time. Thanks Burhan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM, TjL wrote: > > Specific

[twitter-dev] Re: OT - where's the proper place to talk about search.twitter.com?

2009-03-06 Thread Chad Etzel
1) I agree, so I wrote a greasemonkey script to zap them from http://search.twitter.com/ results: http://jazzychad.com/stuff/?p=37 (disclosure: i also run one of the trending bots... i discuss this in the post) 2) http://twitscoop.com to the rescue! I have been told that they are hoping to crea