[twitter-dev] Re: Account management app - suspended accounts

2009-10-10 Thread Andy Freeman
Actually, what he's saying is that it's not always possible to have public, concrete, and well-defined rules that work. You clearly think that it's possible in this case. So, let's be positive. Let's see a set of rules that meets those criteria. They have to be concrete, well-defined, and

[twitter-dev] Re: Account management app - suspended accounts

2009-10-09 Thread Andrew Badera
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Abraham Williams 4bra...@gmail.com wrote: Twitter's spam flagging system is an ever-changing trade secret. It is unlikely that you will get a direct answer. Have the 600 account holders contact Twitter support and hopefully they will get re-enabled quickly.

[twitter-dev] Re: Account management app - suspended accounts

2009-10-09 Thread SuperCerial
Absolutely true. on both counts... However, not so long ago Twitter banned many accounts by mistake because they used tweetlater. The trouble is on one hand Twitter supports, encourages the creation of these applications and on the other hand fails horribly to provide sufficient guidelines

[twitter-dev] Re: Account management app - suspended accounts

2009-10-09 Thread John Kalucki
Openness about abuse is generally counter-productive for everyone. For example, opaque limits are harder to game and give better detection signals. Also, practically, limits need to be adjusted without notice to respond changing attacks. In the end, valid access that is difficult to distinguish

[twitter-dev] Re: Account management app - suspended accounts

2009-10-09 Thread SuperCerial
How about you just answer my question? What you're saying is mankind is wrong to live by well defined and concrete rules. I could steal that car and it will be ok, then again it might not - what don't you try and find out. You really think that's right? Of course the reality is Twitter is

[twitter-dev] Re: Account management app - suspended accounts

2009-10-09 Thread Cameron Kaiser
Openness about abuse is generally counter-productive for everyone. For example, opaque limits are harder to game and give better detection signals. Also, practically, limits need to be adjusted without notice to respond changing attacks. In the end, valid access that is difficult to

[twitter-dev] Re: Account management app - suspended accounts

2009-10-09 Thread freefall
Yes exactly - Twitter doesnt live by a coherent ruleset. It openly promotes bots yet suspends people without any warning or information. It opens its doors to be gamed and kicks people out randomly. This lack of transparant rules is working like a charm isnt it. On Oct 9, 7:44 pm, Cameron

[twitter-dev] Re: Account management app - suspended accounts

2009-10-09 Thread Dewald Pretorius
John, With reference to used for invalid purposes in your post. That begs the question, what exactly constitute invalid purposes? From a Twitter purist's point of view, anything other than What are you doing? constitutes an invalid purpose. I'd venture to say that very few people use Twitter

[twitter-dev] Re: Account management app - suspended accounts

2009-10-09 Thread Andrew Badera
As someone who's been a Twitter user since March 2007 or so, and a developer since late 2007, I have a hard time disagreeing with anything I've seen from Twitter on spam policies. In general, it seems to me, if you're not a douchebag, you don't get suspended. With one or two exceptions in that

[twitter-dev] Re: Account management app - suspended accounts

2009-10-09 Thread Dewald Pretorius
One more thought about this. Audience (followers) is to Twitter what PageRank is to Google. Twitter created a commodity when it enabled the unlimited follower capability. As long as it is a commodity, money-motivated people will continue to exploit it as a commodity, just like they exploit

[twitter-dev] Re: Account management app - suspended accounts

2009-10-09 Thread PJB
Agreed. What else is wefollow.com, which Twitter freely advertises, but a ranking of people by followers (just look at some of the top people in the categories and you have to ask yourself, wtf!?) When the value of a Twitter account is determined by followers (as apps like wefollow make

[twitter-dev] Re: Account management app - suspended accounts

2009-10-09 Thread PJB
Well, in the last dragnet, http://twitter.com/ricksanchezcnn, http://twitter.com/scottkwalker, http://twitter.com/karlrove were all suspended. And while you might disagree with their politics, it's pretty evident from their tweets that they were not spammers. These well-known personalities

[twitter-dev] Re: Account management app - suspended accounts

2009-10-09 Thread Nick Arnett
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:07 AM, John Kalucki jkalu...@gmail.com wrote: Openness about abuse is generally counter-productive for everyone. I don't think it is quite fair to make that statement without also acknowledging that *transparency* frequently is productive for everyone, particularly

[twitter-dev] Re: Account management app - suspended accounts

2009-10-09 Thread Dewald Pretorius
There is a very fundamental reason why I'm not holding my breath for Twitter to make any radical changes to their service: Human nature. Twitter management has tasted fame, and every Twitter employee can smell fortune around the corner. (Good for them, they deserve it.) It's is just natural

[twitter-dev] Re: Account management app - suspended accounts

2009-10-08 Thread Abraham Williams
Twitter's spam flagging system is an ever-changing trade secret. It is unlikely that you will get a direct answer. Have the 600 account holders contact Twitter support and hopefully they will get re-enabled quickly. Abraham On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 09:59, SuperCerial s...@cyberdyneseo.com wrote: