Re: [twitter-dev] Re: DM rate limit
Why not have each client register a notification account with your app that sends a DM to their main account. That gives every client 250 DMs. Better yet, make it a private account and push notifications as status updates giving you 1000/day while keeping privacy. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 12, 2011, at 5:17 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@borasky-research.net wrote: On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 17:07:36 -0500, Trevor Dean trevord...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, don't be so quick to judge. We have an opt-in based service and out clients have thousands of customers that explicitly say yes send me direct messages. The information we send is requested by the end user and is not spam. So you can imagine that a client with a large user base could quickly go beyond the 250 dm/day limit. It's unfortunate that the spammers take advantage and ultimately ruin things for legitimate services. Trevor Dean | Director big time design communication Inc. 647 234 8198 Visit http://www.bigtimedesign.ca for more information Speaking of spam, there's a great article at the New York Times on J.C. Penney, black hat SEO and Google: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/business/13search.html Many thanks to Twitter's spam fighters for keeping it as clean as it is, under the circumstances. -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: DM rate limit
I appreciate the feedback but the issue is that our clients send DM's to their customers and the customer base could and has grown beyond 250 users. We have whitelisted the clients that needed increased rate limits so we are ok for now but this could effect how we deal with future clients. There has been a lot of activity from this group and it's been hard to keep track of all of the information but I did read that you can still request increased DM rate limits which is all we need but I don't know if this has been confirmed by someone from twitter. Trevor Dean | Director big time design communication Inc. 647 234 8198 Visit http://www.bigtimedesign.ca for more information On 2011-02-12, at 6:59 PM, Xristofer Obbit dixt...@dixtort.net wrote: Why not have each client register a notification account with your app that sends a DM to their main account. That gives every client 250 DMs. Better yet, make it a private account and push notifications as status updates giving you 1000/day while keeping privacy. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 12, 2011, at 5:17 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@borasky-research.net wrote: On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 17:07:36 -0500, Trevor Dean trevord...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, don't be so quick to judge. We have an opt-in based service and out clients have thousands of customers that explicitly say yes send me direct messages. The information we send is requested by the end user and is not spam. So you can imagine that a client with a large user base could quickly go beyond the 250 dm/day limit. It's unfortunate that the spammers take advantage and ultimately ruin things for legitimate services. Trevor Dean | Director big time design communication Inc. 647 234 8198 Visit http://www.bigtimedesign.ca for more information Speaking of spam, there's a great article at the New York Times on J.C. Penney, black hat SEO and Google: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/business/13search.html Many thanks to Twitter's spam fighters for keeping it as clean as it is, under the circumstances. -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: DM rate limit
Confirming limits is not Twitter HQ's strength. I can see why. They want to keep their options open. Instead of asking for approval, why not start a petition to get what you need? Put up a message here stating a case for more DMs. Explain why you want it. Ask other devs to sign on with a confirming response. When you get no reaction, repost the same request the following week, and again, and again, until Twitter makes the change or comes up with a useful alternative. What can they do to you? Cut off your whitelisting? Believe me, grandfathered whitelisting is just a way of keeping established devs quiet, and is unfair on its face. All whitelisting will go away. Anyone want to bet against that? Devs are Twitter's partners, not users to be controlled. Dev's make money for Twitter. Let's help them make more money by getting them more serious, business oriented users, not just more Beiber fans. We can do this for Twitter. Twitter needs to help us do it. Ok, Trevor? On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Trevor Dean trevord...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate the feedback but the issue is that our clients send DM's to their customers and the customer base could and has grown beyond 250 users. We have whitelisted the clients that needed increased rate limits so we are ok for now but this could effect how we deal with future clients. There has been a lot of activity from this group and it's been hard to keep track of all of the information but I did read that you can still request increased DM rate limits which is all we need but I don't know if this has been confirmed by someone from twitter. Trevor Dean | Director big time design communication Inc. 647 234 8198 Visit http://www.bigtimedesign.ca for more information On 2011-02-12, at 6:59 PM, Xristofer Obbit dixt...@dixtort.net wrote: Why not have each client register a notification account with your app that sends a DM to their main account. That gives every client 250 DMs. Better yet, make it a private account and push notifications as status updates giving you 1000/day while keeping privacy. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 12, 2011, at 5:17 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@borasky-research.net wrote: On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 17:07:36 -0500, Trevor Dean trevord...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, don't be so quick to judge. We have an opt-in based service and out clients have thousands of customers that explicitly say yes send me direct messages. The information we send is requested by the end user and is not spam. So you can imagine that a client with a large user base could quickly go beyond the 250 dm/day limit. It's unfortunate that the spammers take advantage and ultimately ruin things for legitimate services. Trevor Dean | Director big time design communication Inc. 647 234 8198 Visit http://www.bigtimedesign.ca for more information Speaking of spam, there's a great article at the New York Times on J.C. Penney, black hat SEO and Google: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/business/13search.html Many thanks to Twitter's spam fighters for keeping it as clean as it is, under the circumstances. -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Adam Green Twitter API Consultant and Trainer http://140dev.com @140dev -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: DM rate limit
Actually, the limit is 250 per account, not 250 DMs per IP. Tom On 2/12/11 9:10 PM, DaveH wrote: Dossy: Don't be so quick to condemn. I have an app that uses DMs and ALL DM traffic is generated by users and they know it--so there is no spamming. There are legitimate uses of DMs that users are OK with that push an app beyond 250/day. Think of it this way, if an application has 300 followers and they all interact via private message (DM) one time per day, then 50 users will be unable to communicate on any given day. On Feb 12, 11:46 am, Dossy Shiobarado...@panoptic.com wrote: Any one Twitter account that sends250 DM's in a 24 hour period is DOIN' IT RONG. DM spamming your followers is JUST NOT OK. On 2/12/11 2:31 PM, Trevor Dean wrote: Just out of curiosity why can't DM's be limited by the hour instead if having this cap of 250/day? I think if this was an option most of the issues expressed by other developers including myself would be resolved. -- Dossy Shiobara | do...@panoptic.com |http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer Network |http://panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70) -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: DM rate limit
It's an unfortunate reality, but for every one legitimate application of DM's, there's 100 projects being posted to rent-a-coder asking for an auto DM script ... As developers that use the Twtiter API, we're all collateral damage to the scammers and spammers. Yes, it sucks, but there's no other real solution here. On 2/12/11 3:10 PM, DaveH wrote: Dossy: Don't be so quick to condemn. I have an app that uses DMs and ALL DM traffic is generated by users and they know it--so there is no spamming. There are legitimate uses of DMs that users are OK with that push an app beyond 250/day. Think of it this way, if an application has 300 followers and they all interact via private message (DM) one time per day, then 50 users will be unable to communicate on any given day. -- Dossy Shiobara | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer Network | http://panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70) -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: DM rate limit
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:29:23 -0500, Dossy Shiobara do...@panoptic.com wrote: It's an unfortunate reality, but for every one legitimate application of DM's, there's 100 projects being posted to rent-a-coder asking for an auto DM script ... As developers that use the Twtiter API, we're all collateral damage to the scammers and spammers. Yes, it sucks, but there's no other real solution here. Yeah - Google doesn't seem to be able to do spam control without PhD-level manual intervention, so I can imagine how hard it is for Twitter. ;-) Rent-a-coder? Try Amazon Mechanical Turk - you can get things done there for pennies an hour ;-) -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: DM rate limit
Indeed, if you figure someone can send a customized DM once per 15 seconds, and an hour at Turk costs you $0.05/hour, you can consume 250 DM's/day in 62.5 minutes - you're talking less than $0.10/day to have someone send DM's on Twitter for you, personalized by a human ... If a script off rent-a-coder costs you $100 ... that's 1,000 days worth of Turk-time ... so using a script only breaks even after 2.7 years of use. LOL. On 2/12/11 3:38 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Rent-a-coder? Try Amazon Mechanical Turk - you can get things done there for pennies an hour ;-) -- Dossy Shiobara | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer Network | http://panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70) -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: DM rate limit
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:28:43 -0500, Dossy Shiobara do...@panoptic.com wrote: Indeed, if you figure someone can send a customized DM once per 15 seconds, and an hour at Turk costs you $0.05/hour, you can consume 250 DM's/day in 62.5 minutes - you're talking less than $0.10/day to have someone send DM's on Twitter for you, personalized by a human ... If a script off rent-a-coder costs you $100 ... that's 1,000 days worth of Turk-time ... so using a script only breaks even after 2.7 years of use. LOL. Yes, and you can get Twitter accounts created on MTurk as well. It's supposedly a violation of Amazon's TOS but they don't enforce it because they collect per-HIT transaction fees. Dick Costolo and Jeff Bezos need to have a long talk IMHO, backed up by attorneys and possibly the IRS and FTS. ;-) -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: DM rate limit
I agree, don't be so quick to judge. We have an opt-in based service and out clients have thousands of customers that explicitly say yes send me direct messages. The information we send is requested by the end user and is not spam. So you can imagine that a client with a large user base could quickly go beyond the 250 dm/day limit. It's unfortunate that the spammers take advantage and ultimately ruin things for legitimate services. Trevor Dean | Director big time design communication Inc. 647 234 8198 Visit http://www.bigtimedesign.ca for more information On 2011-02-12, at 3:10 PM, DaveH d...@idreia.com wrote: Dossy: Don't be so quick to condemn. I have an app that uses DMs and ALL DM traffic is generated by users and they know it--so there is no spamming. There are legitimate uses of DMs that users are OK with that push an app beyond 250/day. Think of it this way, if an application has 300 followers and they all interact via private message (DM) one time per day, then 50 users will be unable to communicate on any given day. On Feb 12, 11:46 am, Dossy Shiobara do...@panoptic.com wrote: Any one Twitter account that sends 250 DM's in a 24 hour period is DOIN' IT RONG. DM spamming your followers is JUST NOT OK. On 2/12/11 2:31 PM, Trevor Dean wrote: Just out of curiosity why can't DM's be limited by the hour instead if having this cap of 250/day? I think if this was an option most of the issues expressed by other developers including myself would be resolved. -- Dossy Shiobara | do...@panoptic.com |http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer Network |http://panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70) -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: DM rate limit
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 17:07:36 -0500, Trevor Dean trevord...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, don't be so quick to judge. We have an opt-in based service and out clients have thousands of customers that explicitly say yes send me direct messages. The information we send is requested by the end user and is not spam. So you can imagine that a client with a large user base could quickly go beyond the 250 dm/day limit. It's unfortunate that the spammers take advantage and ultimately ruin things for legitimate services. Trevor Dean | Director big time design communication Inc. 647 234 8198 Visit http://www.bigtimedesign.ca for more information Speaking of spam, there's a great article at the New York Times on J.C. Penney, black hat SEO and Google: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/business/13search.html Many thanks to Twitter's spam fighters for keeping it as clean as it is, under the circumstances. -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
