Hi.

There is still lots of "in-house" and some vendor support and
development for 2k among the indipendants.  As just swapping out the
embedded PC is nowhere near as easy as it would be in an office or home
environment.  The lack of EISA slots and "Real" COM ports, for existing
mega expensive hardware interface adapters being a *Huge* problem with
new PC's, even some of the so called "Industrial" units.   Resulting in
many such devices do not have any viable replacement, other than from a
stock of existing spares.

The same issues are now being seen with newer machines that have PCI
slots and cards.   Hence older embedded PC's are getting overhauled and
repaired often, not replaced with new.   And of course, with the new
OS's, you often get driver issues with older hardware that is not
supported in the new OS.    (Yes, I know some makers will provide them
for you, if you order several machines, but at an outlandish cost.)
USB?  In "Industry".  Forget it, it's way too fragile, mechanically and
electrically.

It's all a bit of a nightmare for some of us.

But otherwise, all agreed with.

Have to say though, that often the so called "New" development on the
new OS's are only to replace existing time served and proven apps and
tools on the older.  Often with less stability and reliability as a
result (but they look pretty!)

Where as in the past a project development team might have stayed in a
company for a few years, nowadays, once the "product" is passed to
production (hardware or software) the designers seem to run to the four
corners of the earth, result, long term buggy "New" products, that
replace otherwise reliable and stable older stuff, with near zero chance
of being fixed, so a short product life.   Progress?   Guess someone
makes money out of it...

Anyway, back to my hot oil and HV power supplies!    Something just went
Bang!...   No software involvement, other than to reset a DMM that will
have probably been nuked by the spike, and latched up as a result.
(Mk1 digit on power swith!)

Out of curiosity, what is the worldwide "take up" or "penetration" of
IPv6 at present?   Anyone know for sure?

Regards.

Dave B.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darin McGee [mailto:da...@basehex.com] 
> Sent: 02 June 2010 16:26
> To: ICS support mailing
> Subject: Re: [twsocket] Should ICS support IPv6 on W2K?
> 
> Yes of course but there is no NEW development going on for 
> those systems as it makes no sense.  In other words when it 
> comes time to replace the hardware they are forced into 
> upgrading the programs or run them in a virtual environment.
> 
> 
> >>I suspect that data comes from querying browser an or or MS update
> users.
> 
> >>There is still a *Huge* W2k installed base in industry, all those
> machines and systems with it embedded.  Heck, there are still many
> DOS+Win3x based systems still running things in places.  I 
> even know of
> one Comodor PET still used as an environmental chamber 
> controler!   (The
> screen is a "little dim" these days!)
> 
> OK, little of it is connected to the 'net, but much of it is 
> interconnected by LAN (of one form or another) but very 
> little has a web browser that is used for surfing!
> 
> Anyway, when or if IPV6 comes about to the masses, we'll 
> probably all be on 128 bit Windows 11 or Linux Kernel V4 or something.
> 
> Interesting though, that Win7 is still less prevelant than 
> Vista, no suprise XP is top of the list.....
> 
> Tin hat and fireproof suit ready.   (Stir stir......)
> 
> Dave B.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Zvone [mailto:pha...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 01 June 2010 13:50
> > To: ICS support mailing
> > Subject: Re: [twsocket] Should ICS support IPv6 on W2K?
> > 
> > Arno, don't bother with Win2000 without service packs support.
> > 
> > See this:
> > 
> > OS usage by market share:
> > 
> > Windows XP - 62.53%
> > Windows Vista - 15.26%
> > Windows 7 - 12.67%
> > Mac OS X 10.6 - 2.34%
> > Mac OS X 10.5 - 1.96%
> > Linux - 1.13%
> > Java ME - 0.73%
> > Mac OS X 10.4 - 0.66%
> > iPhone - 0.60%
> > Windows 2000 - 0.50%
> > 
> > It is slowly moving into Win 9x domain so you can safely move on.
> > Good XP and Win 7 support is much more important than figuring out 
> > Win2k support.
> > Whoever uses it in the application can put this requirement in the 
> > "readme"
> > and by the time it is fully tested and IPV4 no longer used, 
> Win2k will
> 
> > have even less market share if any.
> > 
> > 
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