Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass?
On May 4, 2007, at 10:02, Fastream Technologies wrote: I would not believe -before trying myself- this is what M$ called rewriting of TCP/IP stack!! It may not be a code efficiency problem, it may be intentionally crippled to prevent you from using the client version for any high-performance communications, and force you to buy the server version. *That* I would believe from Microsoft. dZ. -- DZ-Jay [TeamICS] http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass?
*Subject:* Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass? *From:* DZ-Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] It may not be a code efficiency problem, it may be intentionally crippled to prevent you from using the client version for any high-performance communications, and force you to buy the server version. Exactly, that's why the workstation OSs have a limit of 10 TCP/IP shares. Unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have invalidated the patch to the tcpip.sys that I used for a few years to raise the limit to 50. Windows 2007, aka Longhorn, the next server release, is currently on open beta from the Microsoft web site. I've tried to download it with Firefox and MSIE, but the Microsoft 'shop' software always returns 'error'. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/longhorn/audsel.mspx http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-gb/evalcenter/bb383571.aspx Has anyone started testing ICS on Windows 2007? Angus -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass?
I just downloaded it - not too big - 1.8GB for the x86 version - 2.4GB for the x64 version- No problems. You do have to order it on-line for the free D/L. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 9:51 AM To: twsocket@elists.org Subject: Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass? *Subject:* Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass? *From:* DZ-Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] It may not be a code efficiency problem, it may be intentionally crippled to prevent you from using the client version for any high-performance communications, and force you to buy the server version. Exactly, that's why the workstation OSs have a limit of 10 TCP/IP shares. Unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have invalidated the patch to the tcpip.sys that I used for a few years to raise the limit to 50. Windows 2007, aka Longhorn, the next server release, is currently on open beta from the Microsoft web site. I've tried to download it with Firefox and MSIE, but the Microsoft 'shop' software always returns 'error'. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/longhorn/audsel.mspx http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-gb/evalcenter/bb383571.aspx Has anyone started testing ICS on Windows 2007? Angus -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass?
Perhaps you guys can test the IE7 on Windows 2007 with my stress tester: http://www.fastream.com/ics/WebStressTester.zip Try with a small file and a large static file. Also try connection: close and keep-alive. Very user friendly and hi-performance--does not open 1 thread for each connection. Best Regards, SZ On 5/5/07, Darin McGee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just downloaded it - not too big - 1.8GB for the x86 version - 2.4GB for the x64 version- No problems. You do have to order it on-line for the free D/L. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 9:51 AM To: twsocket@elists.org Subject: Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass? *Subject:* Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass? *From:* DZ-Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] It may not be a code efficiency problem, it may be intentionally crippled to prevent you from using the client version for any high-performance communications, and force you to buy the server version. Exactly, that's why the workstation OSs have a limit of 10 TCP/IP shares. Unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have invalidated the patch to the tcpip.sys that I used for a few years to raise the limit to 50. Windows 2007, aka Longhorn, the next server release, is currently on open beta from the Microsoft web site. I've tried to download it with Firefox and MSIE, but the Microsoft 'shop' software always returns 'error'. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/longhorn/audsel.mspx http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-gb/evalcenter/bb383571.aspx Has anyone started testing ICS on Windows 2007? Angus -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass?
Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote: *Subject:* Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass? *From:* DZ-Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] It may not be a code efficiency problem, it may be intentionally crippled to prevent you from using the client version for any high-performance communications, and force you to buy the server version. Exactly, that's why the workstation OSs have a limit of 10 TCP/IP shares. Unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have invalidated the patch to the tcpip.sys that I used for a few years to raise the limit to 50. Nice tool that patches even latest versions of tcpip.sys (mine was MD5 checksum 1DBF125862891817F374F407626967F4, size 359.808 bytes): http://xp-antispy.org/?lang=enoption=com_frontpageItemid=1 Windows 2007, aka Longhorn, the next server release, is currently on open beta from the Microsoft web site. I've tried to download it with Firefox and MSIE, but the Microsoft 'shop' software always returns 'error'. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/longhorn/audsel.mspx http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-gb/evalcenter/bb383571.aspx Has anyone started testing ICS on Windows 2007? Thanks, I'm currently downloading with DownThemAll, a nice plugin for FireFox. -- Arno Garrels [TeamICS] http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html Angus -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass?
http://xp-antispy.org/ Mine was from LvlLord, but looking in my folder it seems my latest Sophos anti-virus has deleted it... Hopefully Anti=Spy will last longer. Windows 2007, a I'm currently downloading I wonder why thr shop dislike me and won't let me download it! Angus -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass?
Yes that's what I guessed as well but if it's inherent to Vista then Vista is not much suitable as server OS. I wonder if the issue is in client side or server sockets? Unfortunately I sold my other desktop and my laptop in in service so I cannot check against XP/2003. Best Regards, SZ On 5/3/07, Arno Garrels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fastream Technologies wrote: Hello, Recently I have upgraded my workstation to Vista Business 64-bit and face the following problem: - when run against IE7 or any other server, the ICS stress tester that I posted here before as well as Socrates, get into strange behavior: 1) After 1-2 mins, the sockets begin to not being accepted. The server simply does not work for the stress tester client. It works for browsers. 2) The socket establishment for IIS 7 in Connection: close mode is 2000 connections/sec where it was 4-5000 connections/sec on IIS6 on XP-x64. Any explanation/solution for these? May be some Vista setting to avoid such attacks? Or may be Vista is just slower than XP? -- Arno Garrels [TeamICS] http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html WARM Regards from Turkey where it is already hot! SZ -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass?
That's way Vista is sold as a client OS and Microsoft sells separate server software. Also, read your XP and Vista licenses, they are not to be used as servers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fastream Technologies Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:53 AM To: ICS support mailing Subject: Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass? Yes that's what I guessed as well but if it's inherent to Vista then Vista is not much suitable as server OS. I wonder if the issue is in client side or server sockets? Unfortunately I sold my other desktop and my laptop in in service so I cannot check against XP/2003. Best Regards, SZ On 5/3/07, Arno Garrels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fastream Technologies wrote: Hello, Recently I have upgraded my workstation to Vista Business 64-bit and face the following problem: - when run against IE7 or any other server, the ICS stress tester that I posted here before as well as Socrates, get into strange behavior: 1) After 1-2 mins, the sockets begin to not being accepted. The server simply does not work for the stress tester client. It works for browsers. 2) The socket establishment for IIS 7 in Connection: close mode is 2000 connections/sec where it was 4-5000 connections/sec on IIS6 on XP-x64. Any explanation/solution for these? May be some Vista setting to avoid such attacks? Or may be Vista is just slower than XP? -- Arno Garrels [TeamICS] http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html WARM Regards from Turkey where it is already hot! SZ -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass?
From the limited exposure I've had to Vista (Home Basic) client use. A Clean install on the same hardware (P4 2GHz, 512MB Ram, 80G drive, nVidia graphics) it run's at about half the speed of XP(Home) in just about all respects. Whatever tweaks you do to it. Where'd the Wow go? Less than impressed (we re-installed XP as a result, did all the updates, and the same machine really rocks again!) Of course, the reseller will not take it back as the box is opened, will hang on to it till we can get something bigger better and much faster to load it on. Dave B. -Original Message- From: Darin McGee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:00 PM To: ICS support mailing Subject: Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass? That's way Vista is sold as a client OS and Microsoft sells separate server software. Also, read your XP and Vista licenses, they are not to be used as servers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fastream Technologies Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:53 AM To: ICS support mailing Subject: Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass? Yes that's what I guessed as well but if it's inherent to Vista then Vista is not much suitable as server OS. I wonder if the issue is in client side or server sockets? Unfortunately I sold my other desktop and my laptop in in service so I cannot check against XP/2003. Best Regards, SZ On 5/3/07, Arno Garrels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fastream Technologies wrote: Hello, Recently I have upgraded my workstation to Vista Business 64-bit and face the following problem: - when run against IE7 or any other server, the ICS stress tester that I posted here before as well as Socrates, get into strange behavior: 1) After 1-2 mins, the sockets begin to not being accepted. The server simply does not work for the stress tester client. It works for browsers. 2) The socket establishment for IIS 7 in Connection: close mode is 2000 connections/sec where it was 4-5000 connections/sec on IIS6 on XP-x64. Any explanation/solution for these? May be some Vista setting to avoid such attacks? Or may be Vista is just slower than XP? -- Arno Garrels [TeamICS] http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html WARM Regards from Turkey where it is already hot! SZ -- This mail has been scanned by Palmer Cook Computer Services Limited. www.palmercook.co.uk -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass?
I would not believe -before trying myself- this is what M$ called rewriting of TCP/IP stack!! :(( On 5/4/07, Dave Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the limited exposure I've had to Vista (Home Basic) client use. A Clean install on the same hardware (P4 2GHz, 512MB Ram, 80G drive, nVidia graphics) it run's at about half the speed of XP(Home) in just about all respects. Whatever tweaks you do to it. Where'd the Wow go? Less than impressed (we re-installed XP as a result, did all the updates, and the same machine really rocks again!) Of course, the reseller will not take it back as the box is opened, will hang on to it till we can get something bigger better and much faster to load it on. Dave B. -Original Message- From: Darin McGee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:00 PM To: ICS support mailing Subject: Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass? That's way Vista is sold as a client OS and Microsoft sells separate server software. Also, read your XP and Vista licenses, they are not to be used as servers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fastream Technologies Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:53 AM To: ICS support mailing Subject: Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass? Yes that's what I guessed as well but if it's inherent to Vista then Vista is not much suitable as server OS. I wonder if the issue is in client side or server sockets? Unfortunately I sold my other desktop and my laptop in in service so I cannot check against XP/2003. Best Regards, SZ On 5/3/07, Arno Garrels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fastream Technologies wrote: Hello, Recently I have upgraded my workstation to Vista Business 64-bit and face the following problem: - when run against IE7 or any other server, the ICS stress tester that I posted here before as well as Socrates, get into strange behavior: 1) After 1-2 mins, the sockets begin to not being accepted. The server simply does not work for the stress tester client. It works for browsers. 2) The socket establishment for IIS 7 in Connection: close mode is 2000 connections/sec where it was 4-5000 connections/sec on IIS6 on XP-x64. Any explanation/solution for these? May be some Vista setting to avoid such attacks? Or may be Vista is just slower than XP? -- Arno Garrels [TeamICS] http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html WARM Regards from Turkey where it is already hot! SZ -- This mail has been scanned by Palmer Cook Computer Services Limited. www.palmercook.co.uk -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Strange Vista winsock behavior--any way to by-pass?
Fastream Technologies wrote: Hello, Recently I have upgraded my workstation to Vista Business 64-bit and face the following problem: - when run against IE7 or any other server, the ICS stress tester that I posted here before as well as Socrates, get into strange behavior: 1) After 1-2 mins, the sockets begin to not being accepted. The server simply does not work for the stress tester client. It works for browsers. 2) The socket establishment for IIS 7 in Connection: close mode is 2000 connections/sec where it was 4-5000 connections/sec on IIS6 on XP-x64. Any explanation/solution for these? May be some Vista setting to avoid such attacks? Or may be Vista is just slower than XP? -- Arno Garrels [TeamICS] http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html WARM Regards from Turkey where it is already hot! SZ -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
