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I think this thread has mostly come to an end, but please let me add my
five cents.
I agree with Julia on most points. A blanket ban on Russian academics
participating in conferences would definitely not help to reduce
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Hi all.
Several posters have drawn parallels with other boycotts in the past,
academic or otherwise.
Sporting boycotts have some similarities. The following philosophy
article analyses some arguments for and against
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Dear Sergiy,
like everyone who has posted on this list, I am absolutely horrified by
what is happening in Ukraine, and it is hard for me to even begin to
imagine what you are going through. I believe we agree that
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> In a previous email you said Russian scientists "... did not participate at
> ETAPS en
> masse anyway". Can you explain how excluding them from ETAPS will have any
> impact on the Russian population (considering also
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To other members of the TYPES list,
I would like to bring to your attention that I have learned that this has been
subject to an editorial style of moderation, so there may be people whose
points of view have not been
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We may very well be in a situation analogous to the Fall of 1939 in
Germany: The outbreak of an eventually humongous war, initiated then by an
invasion of Poland, now of Ukraine where Ukraine is quite overtly not the
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Yes, there was an academic boycott on South Africa. And the general
consensus in retrospect by scholars of South Africa is that it accomplished
nothing beyond sanctions except for "sending a message," and again at the
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It appears that ETAPS has taken down this policy, along with a related
statement that was formerly on the Programme page:
"By virtue of participating at ETAPS'22, each participating scientist
explicitly condemns the war
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ETAPS has rescinded this policy as of today. The statement on the website
is as follows now:
The ETAPS association strongly condemns the war against Ukraine launched by
President Putin. It is an intolerable breach of
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> Banning scientists from ETAPS won't do anything to bring the end of war a
> step closer.
> Banning Netflix, McDonalds, Visa, Mastercard, etc., etc., from Russia, and
> ceasing to purchase fossil fuels from Russia
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I find this decision by ETAPS shocking. I was considering attending ETAPS
2022, and I will not go.
I view scientific research as a universal pursuit of knowledge in the
benefit of humankind. We are funded by nations,
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Just FYI about rectors' letters: most Russian universities are state
universities, and in many of them, rectors are literally government
appointees, not elected by the university body.
There were various independent
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I looked for more sources on the examples of Ricardo and Phil.
- The 2013 NASA event is described in the following press articles:
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Let me start by saying that I strongly support the ETAPS decision to
ban the participation of Russian affiliated scientists at the
conference.
The rationale is the as follows:
* The ongoing war in Ukraine is at least
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To add to Ricardo's examples, during Apartheid, there was an academic
boycott of South Africa as part of a larger cultural boycott, similar to
the cultural boycott of Russia we see beginning today. This included not
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Dear Marino, dear all,
El mié, 9 mar. 2022 05:05, Marino Miculan
escribió:
>
> Of course, I am sure that there are many colleagues there against the
> invasion. But then, we have to distinguish between the
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I feel that it's very wrong and will lead to serious adverse
consequences on the whole scientific community if individuals
ostracized based on their country.
Let's not contribute to the fragmentation the academic
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German scientists were banned from conferences after the First World War.
Chinese scientists (even those working/studying at the USA) were banned
from attending a NASA conference in 2013.
El mar., 8 de marzo de 2022
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I also find this utterly wrong, and we (a group of computer scientists
working in Austria + collaborators) already started an initiative to change
this. I am still waiting for news from the person who is talking to the
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I agree with Sergey. Maybe some of you have missed the following post from the
Russian Rectors' union, fully supporting the invasion of Ukraine. Signed by 185
rectors - I guess, all Russian universities (correct me if
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