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Dear list,
I'm writing with excellent news: in the last month ICFP'21 has decided to
change its fee structure, which should now include a "discounted $10"
option for the whole conference, in line with POPL'21 and
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Since I complained as last year about this, I've joined on the SPLASH
hybridization committee. My understanding so far is:
- there are some hidden costs
- overcharging some people acts as a subsidy for other people who
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Dear all,
The real costs of online conferences are much less than for physical
ones, that is clear. However, it is not free of cost. The costs may
be:
* Publication costs (for example, LIPIcs charges 60 euros per paper)
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Outsider opinion: one good heuristic for pricing anything virtual and
making it accessible for underprivileged individuals is localized video
game & digital subscription prices. Companies expanding these have gone
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Dear list,
Last year I played the unfortunate role of complaining about the $100 price
tag on ICFP'20 registration. There were some great improvements in further
events, for example POPL'21 had "discounted rate: $10" as
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Dear Jens Palsberg (and types-list),
In my previous email, I asked for budget summaries for past online SIGPLAN
conferences (PLDI and ICFP, for example; more data is always welcome).
Could SIGPLAN do it?
One inspiring
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Dear list,
I would like to come back to a reasonable argument for non-free conference
that was presented here and outside the list: there is a natural idea that
even online conferences require servers, bandwidth, etc.,
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Hi all,
on the topic of conference fees, I was just made aware of this interesting blog
post:
https://andreas-zeller.info/2018/02/01/where-your-conference-fees-go-to.html
It's pre-Covid, and the conference is smaller
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To add on the topic of value for money.
On one hand, I agree that people who pay might participate more actively
and consume more of the conference content.
On the other hand, if a lot more people join a conference for
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On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:54 PM Michael Hicks wrote:
> Beyond the modest fees to run an online conference, which Talia mentions,
> conference registration payments serve other purposes. Any surplus goes to
> SIGPLAN,
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Thanks Mike for bringing clear arguments in favor.
There was an interesting discussion with Nicolai, Henning and Stefan on the
argument of registration fees helping engagement. I have some short points
to make on this
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On 24/08/2020 02:14, Nicolai Kraus wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:23 PM Henning Basold
> mailto:h.bas...@liacs.leidenuniv.nl>> wrote:
>
> I would like to add another way of covering costs that is often used
>
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On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:23 PM Henning Basold
wrote:
> I would like to add another way of covering costs that is often used in
> communal places: Anyone gives whatever they can, which may be nothing. This
> assumes of
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I would like to add another way of covering costs that is often used in
communal places: Anyone gives whatever they can, which may be nothing. This
assumes of course some fairness and some transparency about the costs.
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Interesting discussion, and definitely very important!
My opinion is:
(1) Registration costs should not stop anyone from attending a/an [online]
conference. I guess that's obvious and solutions for this were implemented
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Thanks for raising this issue. Just a few points about the other side of
the argument:
It’s well known that things that are free are not valued (by humans) as
much as those that cost something, even a small amount. For
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I don't know about PLDI, but there are some costs associated with online
events. For example, automatic captioning software is still not very good
(Google's always turns "proofs" into "fruits" for me). Live captioning is
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