Sometime this afternoon. Hey... 112.8 Kilos today..
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: U2 Users Digest V1 #573 U2 Users Digest Thursday, March 17 2005 Volume 01 : Number 573 In this issue: RE: [U2]: Epicor RE: [U2]: Epicor RE: [U2]: Epicor Re: [U2]: Epicor RE: [U2] UD: ODBC/OleDB access to selected records in a file Re: [U2] UniObjects and LDAP user authentication. Re: [U2]: Epicor RE: [U2]: Epicor RE: [U2]: Epicor ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:11:17 +0000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Now who ever said you were allowed to export, massage, and then reimport with no validation? Hmmmm...sounds like something I would like to have DONE to me.. - -- Debster - -------------- Original message -------------- > Now here's something that I can give an opinion on without obvious > bias. > I fail to see the benefit of a "feature" that allows you to easily > circumvent you ERP systems data input process. To easily allow users to > export ERP data to a spreadsheet...massage the data...then re-import > that data back into the database has at least two obvious problems to > me. First, data integrity becomes marginal at best. Second, what is > wrong with the ERP input process that requires the data to be changed by > another outside process? > > Epicor does have apps that integrate back to the ERP database, but the > data is run through the input processes as part of that integration. > Users are advised that doing updates outside of these processes are done > so at their own peril. I don't know about ISO compliance, but easy > outside input to the database is frowned upon by the FDA, SEC, and SOX > auditors. > > David Litzau > Epicor Technical Support J > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:59 PM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor > > > Marc: > > It is possible that this sort of data movement is precisely the reason > financial information, at numerous companies, is difficult to attest to, > let > alone use for analysis. :-) > > When I see this "benefit" (capability), red flags go up all over the > place. > It's like giving a gun to children...most will be ok but someone > __WILL__ > get hurt. > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:41 AM > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor > > > > Being a Manage-2000 client, and having been an Oracle client > > in the past > > (10.x) and having seen a JD demo I must say of the t1 > > suppliers, they did put on a nice show. (They could export > > directly to excel, change data, and re import the data back > > into the erp) > > > > :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lettau, Jeff > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:55 AM > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor > > > > So maybe Advante, Dataflo, infoflo, M2K and the like are not > > tier 1 multi-million dollar installs. But for ease of use > > and the ability to tweak the system to meet your needs. I'll > > take the tier 2 any day. > > > > Not intending to start an argument, but what can SAP or JD > > Edwards do that the smaller Epicor products can't do? What > > makes them worth the added cost? I don't' buy into that they > > can handle more users. That is mostly a matter of database > > management, hardware and infrastructure. > > You also have to consider who is buying what system and what > > their intensions are. What do you really get out of a > > standard SAP or JD Edwards install that you can't get from > > any system provided by Epicor or similar smaller priced > > package? I'm not being rhetorical.(again spell checker saves > > the day, I didn't know a word could start with rh.) > > > > P.s. you can get the Monitor Series at a Circuit city store > > or other high end audio stores near you! You can't seriously > > expect me to send you something for free! I can't get stuff > > for free. > > > > Jeffrey Lettau > > ERP Systems Manager > > polkaudio > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debster > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:50 AM > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor > > > > Yes...and I was privy to M2K back when it went through ADP > > doors and was sold back out again > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen > > E. Elwood > > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:27 PM > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor > > > > > > I believe that Jeff was speaking about Manage-2000. Polk > > audio, in addition to making great speakers, is a Manage-2000 > > user. Now if I could just get them to send a couple of > > studio monitors my way for the plug..... ;-) > > > > When I was working for M2k under ROI Systems, there were > > several companies that choose it over JD, SAP as well as Epicor. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:39 > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor > > > > > > X-Squeeze me > > > > But comparing Avante to JD Edwards & Sap is like putting a > > 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the > > same league > > > > Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to > > think that its playing with the big boys... > > > > -- > > Debster > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > > > There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just > > > tend > > to > > > lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. > > > I can say a that there are a few people still in the > > Manage-2000 group > > > that are very good with the interfaces to U2. > > > From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good > > company for > > > support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there > > > will > > > always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many > > times these > > > bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the > > software > > > slightly different. > > > I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have > > and > > > migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and > > database > > > independent. Although making it database independent may be > > > counter > > > productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. > > > > > > If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd > > say Epicor > > > is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the > > > flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing > > environment. What are > > > your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? > > > They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other > > packages > > > together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross > > selling. If you > > > run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. > > > They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my > > humble opinion, > > > but it will take them years to make it work. > > > > > > Jeffrey Lettau > > > ERP Systems Manager > > > polkaudio > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM > > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > > Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor > > > > > > Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from > > > anyone > > > within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no > > > interest > > in > > > U2 > > > which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they > > don't have > > > knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or > > doesn't > > > with U2 in > > > general. > > > > > > Will Johnson > > > ------- > > > u2-users mailing list > > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > > ------- > > > u2-users mailing list > > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > ------- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > ------- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > ------- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > ------- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > ------- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > ------- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > ------- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:21:32 +0000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor >sigh< Why is it "us against them?" as in IT vs the Bean counters? Duh...that is where I always had my greatest problems as a project manager..getting IT and financial to play nice in the same sandbox. I hate to say it, but IT was always the worse of the two warring factions in this regard. YOU ALL WORK FOR THE SAME COMPANY An export tool has been used (and sometimes abused) for over 20 some odd years now. Accounting wants pivot tables etc...they can create presentations, they reformat and consolidate, and sometimes it is the only way to get consolidated financials from disparate systems. If you had no idea why or if Accounting ever wanted spreadsheets, ask..if you think they don't...you've been living under a rock - -- Debster - -------------- Original message -------------- > Don: > > There are a number or current laws and regulations that attempt to rid > public corporations of this kind of mismanagement. The result of these new > regulations may not so much be the reduction of corporate financial and IT > mismanagement, but the transfer of responsibility to lower level staff. :-( > > It may come to pass that you'll be held personally liable for someone > else's > indiscriminate "business requirements". For those of us who think it is our > role to provide others with the ability to trash the integrity of the > organization's financial information; a rude awakening awaits! > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kibbey > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:15 AM > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor > > > > Our resident "Bean Counters" have asked for and received > > several tools from me that will allow them to do the same > > thing to our system. It's our job to provide the "sharp > > knives", the CPA types have to be carefull not to remove > > appendages with said tools. > > ------- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > ------- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:47:56 -0800 From: "Allen E. Elwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor The system that I had setup, allowed accountants to change any field on an invoice. Believe it or not, that was the request. What they didn't know was that I kept a simple before change/change request/after change snapshot of the data along with date/time/logon as I had been warned about by a wise professor back in my school days (daze?). What I didn't know, was that they were changing the dates and invoice numbers on the invoices to make them look as if they were only 30-60 days old. This was to make the receivables look current, and therefore the company could leverage that to borrow money from Wells Fargo for purchase of more product to sell. The auditors from AA were very savvy and spotted the same invoice amount with different dates and different invoice numbers on printed aging reports kept for historical purposes. When they asked me about how that could happen, I produced the audit report. The accountants were charged with FRAUD at Wells Fargo's request and were tried and sent to jail! This was in the 80's. Way way before SOX. The first thing the accountants did was point the finger at me. That's why the auditors came to me along with the CEO with the intention of nailing me. Had I not been a paranoid programmer, I might have ended up in jail. The accountants thought I was a patsy, and got lots of time to think about that for 5 years. At the time, I worked for the accounting department. So I literally was protecting my career from my boss who was a fool of the highest magnitude and whom had drastically underestimated my abilities as a business analyst and programmer. Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you! - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Don Kibbey Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:06 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor My code has comments that don't always relate to the code. And I should probably step up the documentation to include the specific request itself. Or devise a more formal methad as Mr. Ellwood has done. But, where I work we are all "at will" employees. Fired at will or walk at will either way. I'm not too worried about loosing a job over some code changes that were misused. And I don't think that jail time is going to happen for a coder who makes a change that a CPA abuses. I should also point out that I have the benefit(!?!?) of working for a partnership that is not (yet) required to meet the SOX regulations. On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:59:34 -0800, Bill H. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don: > > There are a number or current laws and regulations that attempt to rid > public corporations of this kind of mismanagement. The result of > these new > regulations may not so much be the reduction of corporate financial > and IT mismanagement, but the transfer of responsibility to lower > level staff. :-( > > It may come to pass that you'll be held personally liable for someone else's > indiscriminate "business requirements". For those of us who think it > is our > role to provide others with the ability to trash the integrity of the > organization's financial information; a rude awakening awaits! > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kibbey > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:15 AM > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor > > > > Our resident "Bean Counters" have asked for and received several > > tools from me that will allow them to do the same thing to our > > system. It's our job to provide the "sharp knives", the CPA types > > have to be carefull not to remove appendages with said tools. > > ------- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > ------- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - ------- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:10:23 -0500 From: Roger Glenfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Mostly true. But how many systems are being chosen by the beancounters because they're "standard"? Not because it helps to improve sales, manufacturing or operations, just accounting functions? And then sales/manufacturing/operations has to adopt to the new, improved system? If SAP and/or Oracle/Peoplesoft is that great, why are any other packages being bought? Rog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Why is it "us against them?" as in IT vs the Bean counters? Duh...that >is where I always had my greatest problems as a project manager..getting IT and financial to play nice in the same sandbox. > >I hate to say it, but IT was always the worse of the two warring >factions in this regard. YOU ALL WORK FOR THE SAME COMPANY > >An export tool has been used (and sometimes abused) for over 20 some >odd years now. Accounting wants pivot tables etc...they can create presentations, they reformat and consolidate, and sometimes it is the only way to get consolidated financials from disparate systems. > >If you had no idea why or if Accounting ever wanted spreadsheets, >ask..if you think they don't...you've been living under a rock > >-- >Debster ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:03:15 -0000 From: "John Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [U2] UD: ODBC/OleDB access to selected records in a file I seem to remember there is a link into ADO for CR ... maybe you could link into RBOs? XML might be another possible methodology - but I don't have a copy of CR to play with... Anyone got any inside information on these features in CR? Regards JayJay We have racked our brains and have been unable to come up with a workaround for this gaping hole in the ODBC/OleDB interface to UniData. Before we give up entirely and resign ourselves to putting out paper reports with UniQuery, I thought I would ask this group if anyone has solved this problem. Anyone? Thanks in advance, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:25:23 +1100 From: Craig Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [U2] UniObjects and LDAP user authentication. Gordon, > Our system admin department just changed our Sun servers from using > NIS > (Network Information Name Service) to LDAP Directory Service. It was said > that this user authentication is more secure than NIS. Unfortunately, our > UniObjects quit working. When I try to open a session within a VBA > program or with the UniDebugger it fails due to "Invalid User Name or > Password". doesn't the UniDebugger login using telnet? (I haven't used it for a while). Maybe the username/password you are using is not in LDAP? I would think that LDAP vs NIS should be transparent to the application (unless its SASL, maybe you need to associate a service tag with an authentication method in your SASL config?). Craig ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:24:31 +0000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor It all boils down to "Education" and teams working together. If the powers that be see that IT does not cooperate then you get left out of the picture only to complain that decisions were made for you. Smart CFO's don't want to shell out for more than they have to, and that includes having to replace all the labor in IT because no one has the skill set to support their purchase. That happens when you have not proven any value to the overall progress of the company. They want results and they want them fast as possible with as little interruption to the business flow. Savvy companies now recognize IT's value and no longer consider it simply as a "service" department for the company. That accurate data is priceless - -- Debster - -------------- Original message -------------- > Mostly true. But how many systems are being chosen by the beancounters > because they're "standard"? Not because it helps to improve sales, > manufacturing or operations, just accounting functions? And then > sales/manufacturing/operations has to adopt to the new, improved system? > > If SAP and/or Oracle/Peoplesoft is that great, why are any other > packages being bought? > > Rog > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Why is it "us against them?" as in IT vs the Bean counters? > >Duh...that is > where I always had my greatest problems as a project manager..getting > IT and > financial to play nice in the same sandbox. > > > >I hate to say it, but IT was always the worse of the two warring > >factions in > this regard. YOU ALL WORK FOR THE SAME COMPANY > > > >An export tool has been used (and sometimes abused) for over 20 some > >odd years > now. Accounting wants pivot tables etc...they can create > presentations, they > reformat and consolidate, and sometimes it is the only way to get consolidated > financials from disparate systems. > > > >If you had no idea why or if Accounting ever wanted spreadsheets, > >ask..if you > think they don't...you've been living under a rock > > > >-- > >Debster > ------- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:15:03 +1100 From: "David Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor We have seen a couple of cases where the CFO has gone to jail for carrying out an illegal action. The CFO gained no financial advantage, whilst the CEO who gained the financial advantage actually never went to jail. In the UK a programmer got into serious trouble when programming who got university places. After exhausting a variety of priority issues such as marks to decide who would get a position, he then made a decision based on skin colour. Programmers are regarded as professional/educated people by the courts and the courts view is that a programmer should no better when programming improper code. (Ignorance is no excuse) If a programmer modifies the code so the CFO does not pay the correct tax, then the court regards the programmer as an accomplice to the crime. The court's view is that a threat of sacking is not an excuse to commit a crime. Bill is right some IT people will be in for a horrific shock as they could be caught up in fraud, privacy issues, spam and other areas and most have not considered their legal implications. Regards David Jordan - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 5:00 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Don: There are a number or current laws and regulations that attempt to rid public corporations of this kind of mismanagement. The result of these new regulations may not so much be the reduction of corporate financial and IT mismanagement, but the transfer of responsibility to lower level staff. :-( It may come to pass that you'll be held personally liable for someone else's indiscriminate "business requirements". For those of us who think it is our role to provide others with the ability to trash the integrity of the organization's financial information; a rude awakening awaits! Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kibbey > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:15 AM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor > > Our resident "Bean Counters" have asked for and received > several tools from me that will allow them to do the same > thing to our system. It's our job to provide the "sharp > knives", the CPA types have to be carefull not to remove > appendages with said tools. > ------- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - ------- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:46:15 -0000 From: "Adrian Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Shouldn't this be on community by now? - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Jordan Sent: 17 March 2005 05:15 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor We have seen a couple of cases where the CFO has gone to jail for carrying out an illegal action. The CFO gained no financial advantage, whilst the CEO who gained the financial advantage actually never went to jail. In the UK a programmer got into serious trouble when programming who got university places. After exhausting a variety of priority issues such as marks to decide who would get a position, he then made a decision based on skin colour. Programmers are regarded as professional/educated people by the courts and the courts view is that a programmer should no better when programming improper code. (Ignorance is no excuse) If a programmer modifies the code so the CFO does not pay the correct tax, then the court regards the programmer as an accomplice to the crime. The court's view is that a threat of sacking is not an excuse to commit a crime. Bill is right some IT people will be in for a horrific shock as they could be caught up in fraud, privacy issues, spam and other areas and most have not considered their legal implications. Regards David Jordan - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 5:00 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Don: There are a number or current laws and regulations that attempt to rid public corporations of this kind of mismanagement. The result of these new regulations may not so much be the reduction of corporate financial and IT mismanagement, but the transfer of responsibility to lower level staff. :-( It may come to pass that you'll be held personally liable for someone else's indiscriminate "business requirements". For those of us who think it is our role to provide others with the ability to trash the integrity of the organization's financial information; a rude awakening awaits! 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