I do a fair amount of work with the guts of HTTP clients and servers, and
with other RFC-standard protocols, as well as custom protocols over TCP. At
first thought I don't see the value in a specialized type like this. The
few client/server processors that would use it would need to implement
Wow, the 'for F in...' works a treat, while the xargs option is a bomber.
You would expect xargs would work, but nope. But thanks for the first
option!
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From: Logan, David (SST - Adelaide) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 11 June 2004 11:00
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tony,
I do a fair amount of work with the guts of HTTP clients and servers, and
with other RFC-standard protocols, as well as custom protocols over TCP.
Me too (anyone want to license my ASN.1/BER routines?), but I was thinking
of email and similar payloads attached to messages -- associate the
Dawn,
Speaking of jBASE, you don't need RD's .NET provider with jBASE, as you
can connect to it natively.
It shows how much RD knows about their competitor's products though,
when they are offering jBASE users the opportunity to trade-in their
jBASE seats for D3 seats, just for the privilege of
LOOP
code
WHILE READNEXT id DO
more code
REPEAT
This format of the READNEXT statement is used in a couple of places in the
UniVerse BASIC manual. It looks like READNEXT is returning a Boolean.
If I look up READNEXT in the manual (or in HELP from TCL) - there is no
mention of this
Personally I use it all the time (except I'm even sloppier and I drop the
DO )
It's been around for as long as I can remember so I think it just isn't
documented
I find it pretty readable but I take your point on using undocumented
features - boy, will I be in trouble if IBM ever change it.
Piers
The format -
LOOP WHILE READNEXT ID
code
REPEAT
was the suggested standard where I used to work.
Louis
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Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 4:57 PM
Subject: [U2] [UV] WHILE READNEXT id DO
: LOOP
: code
: WHILE
Hi Adrian,
I personally use:
EOF=0
LOOP
READNEXT id ELSE EOF=1
code
UNTIL EOF DO
code
REPEAT
It is much clearer(i hope) to the next guy looking at the code.
Louie.
Adrian wrote:
LOOP
code
WHILE READNEXT id DO
For any of the newbies on this forum, there are a few things to mention
about READNEXT.
First, it is not married to or dependent upon LOOP...REPEAT. That's just one
of the popular ways it's used. I've seen and used it in different
structures.
Second, the dynamics of WHILE/UNTIL behave
Will one need to use UO.NET with 6.1 or will it also work with 5.x and
6.0?
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Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 8:02 PM
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Folks,
READNEXT is a statement that lends itself to many expressions of its use.
IBM could only document its standard use and not all the possible
combinations if burying it inside of LOOPs etc.
This statement has many 'standards' and usually the house standard prevails
as it should be consistent within
LeRoy,
Thanks for update. Glad I heard you through the noise.
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I like to use :
LOOP WHILE 1 DO
READNEXT ID ELSE EXIT
REPEAT
Louis Windsor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The format -
LOOP WHILE READNEXT ID
code
REPEAT
was the suggested standard where I used to work.
Louis
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From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 4:57 PM
Someone required all coders to code that way.
Kishor Parmar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Why do you need the WHILE 1 DO?
You could use
LOOP
READNEXT ID ELSE EXIT
code
REPEAT
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Sent: 17 June 2004 14:57
To:
That is what I have used for years. It's simple to understand what the
program is doing.
At 03:03 PM 6/17/2004 +0100, you wrote:
Why do you need the WHILE 1 DO?
You could use
LOOP
READNEXT ID ELSE EXIT
code
REPEAT
Peter Gonzalez
Senior Programmer Analyst
M M Aerospace
Why use the WHILE 1 DO? Why not
LOOP
READNEXT ID ELSE EXIT
REPEAT
Doesn't the WHILE 1 DO cost? not that it would cost much. :-)
Bruce M Neylon
Health Care Management Group
Dave S [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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06/17/2004 09:56 AM
Please respond to u2-users
To:
You could even try
LOOP
READNEXT ID ELSE EXIT
[Code goes here]
REPEAT
This works just fine.
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From: Dave S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] WHILE READNEXT id DO
I like to use
I want to resize a bunch of Dynamic files back to hashed files using the
resize command. The following is an extract of the resize command from the
UniVerse manual.
The part that I am questioning is in italic and highlighted.
RESIZE
Use RESIZE to reorganize a file with a new file type,
If you are running on some old school system, it may cost you.
But don't these programs on Unidata all get compiled into C ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why use the WHILE 1 DO? Why not
LOOP
READNEXT ID ELSE EXIT
REPEAT
Doesn't the WHILE 1 DO cost? not that it would cost much. :-)
Bruce M Neylon
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LOOP
code
WHILE READNEXT id DO
more code
REPEAT
I prefer:
100
[code]
GOTO 300
200
[more code]
GOTO 100
300
READNEXT ID THEN GOTO 200
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Please let me deflect this thread before it degenerates into a GOTO war.
Which would you suppose is much faster:
1: T0=TIME()
FOR I = 1 TO 100
EXECUTE 'SELECT VOC WITH TYPE = V COUNT.SUP'
LOOP WHILE READNEXT ID
NULL ;* GOSUB DO.STUFF
REPEAT
If you are running on any system it will cost you. The only question is,
do you mind paying the price? Little things do add up.
If you are on UniData run this. Plug in your own huge file.
OPEN 'MASTER' TO MASTER ELSE STOP
SELECT MASTER
START.CPU = SYSTEM(9)
LOOP
READNEXT ID ELSE EXIT
REPEAT
No problems that I'm aware of in using RESIZE to convert dynamic to static.
Hardest part is making good guesses for modulo and type. I think the text
you quoted is saying that you can't use RESIZE to change the SPLIT.LOAD,
MERGE.LOAD, etc. for a dynamic file.
HTH
Jeff Fitzgerald
Fitzgerald
You realize this does not conform to the ANSI structured programming
principles? I have a version dated 1982 and goto's are not allowed...
Or was this just a joke? In which case you certainly got me! :-)
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Now we all know that you are kidding, right?
Rule number 1 when we traine new programmers. NO GOTOs!
At 07:02 PM 6/17/2004 +0100, you wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...
LOOP
code
WHILE READNEXT id DO
more code
REPEAT
I prefer:
100
[code]
GOTO 300
200
[more code]
GOTO 100
300
READNEXT ID
They are referring to the fact that you cannot change things like MINIMUM.MODLUS ,
SPLIT.LOAD, etc. You can refer to the CONFIGURE.FILE for details on that.
HTH
I want to resize a bunch of Dynamic files back to hashed files using the
resize command. The following is an extract of the resize
I'm pretty sure the internal select (method 2) selects just the next group
at a time and feeds from that until it needs another. In this method you
can get instant results, pretty much like doing a LIST. So this method
would be good where output is being fed to the crt, and you might not want
to
At 02:16 PM 6/17/2004, you wrote:
[snipped]
Note: SELECT F is a BASIC select, not Retrieve's (not the MV Query
Language's) verb. It does not really select the file, it merely sets
up for the subsequent READNEXTs to truly read the next key. So READNEXT
ID;READ REC FROM F, ID involve going to
Is BASIC structured? :-p
If your answer is yes, then the GOTO should probably not be allowed (except
in rare cases).
If your answer is no, then GOTO away!! (caveat: if not abused!)
As Yoda says: GOTO is the evil not; incorrect the usage is!
At 02:46 PM 6/17/2004, you wrote:
You realize this
Andri Wrote:
From this I read that I cannot use the resize command to resize a dynamic file back
to a hashed file. However I have tested the command on a Dynamic file and it resizes
back to hashed file and I can read the file.
Any comments out there?
Yes, dont believe everything you read.
Looks like someone has too much time on their hands today
Stevenson, Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Please let me deflect this thread
before it degenerates into a GOTO war.
Which would you suppose is much faster:
1: T0=TIME()
FOR I = 1 TO 100
EXECUTE 'SELECT VOC WITH TYPE = V COUNT.SUP'
LOOP
No thanks. I don't have any time for that today or tomorrow either.
We are running SB+ here and don't write this little loopy d loop routines here anyway.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you are running on any system it will cost you. The only question is,
do you mind paying the price? Little
That's OK. I'm used to hearing, but that's the way we've always done it
:-)
Have a good one.
Bruce M Neylon
Health Care Management Group
Dave S [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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06/17/2004 03:21 PM
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:
Good point Glenn,
Any programming language that supports constructs which allow the
development of loops and subroutines that do not need GOTO's can be used to
create structured programs. Another hallmark of structured programs is the
usage of text labels instead of numeric.
So, GOSUB
I don't know if anyone can help with this but here goes...
I'm toying around with using Redback with Java - kicked off by an article in
the latest International Spectrum Magazine (Using Redback with PHP). I
couldn't get PHP to work with Java, so I went straight to a Java app.
I am able to get
It is my understanding that UniData (at least...don't know
about UniVerse) cache's the SELECT in Method 1. You can see
this from ECL by timing a huge select, then CLEARSELECT, then
re-issue the original select. The second run will come back
much quicker.
Caching can be controlled for.
Looks like someone has too much time on their hands today
Actually, the question grows out of a real need for a phantom to
repeatedly loop through a file all day long. My problem is that the
phantom does not have too much time. I thought the repeated overhead
associated with executing a SELECT
I worked for one company that required us to take a programming test.
We had to code a program without any goto's to pass the test.
Once employed, all programmers were required to follow the programming standards
there.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's OK. I'm used to hearing, but that's the
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Tsombakos, John
Now, here's the rub.. My initial testing is using Mac OS X.
But, when the
routine returns a multi-valued item, the value of the SubValue (@SM)
character is wrong, so I can't pull sub-values out of a
result.
In response to Charles Stevenson, who said:
IIRC, UD routinely (usually? often? always?) stores data more like UV's
large records.
-
Unidata stores a key/displacement table at the beginning of each group, and
does not
I'd love to see this test. What's the hatred with the GOTO's. If they're so
bad, then let's vote to remove them from the compiler. Let's remove RETURN
TO and CLEAR while we're at it as well.
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From: Dave S [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June
Don't forget that the second set has the benefit of the first set leaving
some of the data in virtual memory, hence the second set would have been
longer.
my 1 cent
How about this on your similar UD system. Correct typing implied.
OPEN MASTER ELSE STOP
SELECT MASTER
START=SYS9
10 READNEXT ID
Very good question. Is BASIC Structured. And who defines the structures.
I was on a phone interview with a prospective employer a few years ago and
during that conversation he brought up the concept of GOTO's. I completely
understand GOTO's (most on this forum are GOTO-phobic) and use them
I thought it has been covered many times in comp.databases.pick news group
Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage an Evolution in Software Development
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2004
AND YET, I think one of the strengths of the Cache camp is that they basically rolled
a large number of Mumps implementations into a single, unified product, got rid of the
fractional infighting (please don't pick me up on factional - our niche is less than
whole), and now I see their ads every
Last time I looked UD Basic was still interpreted ... happy to be wrong (I thought
jBASE was the only environment that went the real compiler route)
Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage an Evolution in Software Development
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2-
(resending this one sans joke that apparently was non-pc)
Good point Glenn,
Any programming language that supports constructs which allow the
development of loops and subroutines that do not need GOTO's can be used to
create structured programs. Another hallmark of structured programs is the
Mark Johnson wrote:
This appears to be the semi-annual GOTO holy war.
But only one side is fighting.
Leave it alone Mark. Nothing good came of it last time, and nothing good
will come of it this time. Those who believe GOTOs have their uses will not
be convinced otherwise by a thread on a
Hi Mark,
GOTO-phobia (love that term :-) Don't know about you, but I have seen
programs that were 5000 lines long, filled with goto's that needed upgrading
to fit a new release and required hundreds of hours to upgrade instead of
20. When done, they became very 'quirky' and impossible to debug.
I've heard of MUMPS and interviewed at a hospital were that was used. Was
that written in U2 ... Mumps was a DEC implementation?
Garry Smith
Dir. Info Systems
Charles McMurray Company
V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169
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From: Ross Ferris [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
I've heard of MUMPS and interviewed at a hospital were that
was used. Was
that written in U2 ... Mumps was a DEC implementation?
My understanding is that MUMPS/Cache is somehow related to Revelation. I don't know
if that's true or not, just one of those things a long-time MV programmer
Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote:
Cache' blankets the Java market with ads as well...
I have no clue whether their marketing strategy is working to
grow them significantly beyond their initial MUMPs
base, but I'm definitely curious.
Dawn, I've had loose discussions with MV VARs about Cache' for quite
I think U2 is about 4.5Million seats and when you add other PICK
environments it comes to over 6 Million seats.
With IBM U2 Marketing they cannot advertise outside the DB2 brand. The U2UG
can, to some extent. What the User Group can do strategically is what Dawn
is talking about, whether it
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