[U2] Converting static to dynamic

2007-07-24 Thread Jonathan Leckie
We have two very large files from which I often have to remove data to stop 
the files reaching the 2GB limit, much as I enjoy removing this data my 
colleague has suggested that changing these files to be dynamic would mean 
we could allow them to hold more data and choose when to remove old data 
rather than be forced to.


Does any one have any experiences that they wish to share regarding changing 
files in this way, e.g. file performance before and after, any practical 
steps required after conversion etc.?


We are running red hat enterprise Linux 3 and unidata 6.

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Re: [U2] universe/unidata question

2007-07-24 Thread George Land
I think it's reaching the point where there aren't a great deal of
differences and it's more one of working with the one you know best unless
some of the detail stuff matters to you.  For example if all the
internationalisation stuff matters to you then you need UniVerse.  Similarly
I think I'm right in saying that UniVerse is ahead on some security 
excryption issues.  But then UniData has EDA if you want to put data out
into DB2...and so on.

UniData's dynamic files work fine these days although you still have to do a
bit of management of them

George Land
APT Solutions Ltd


On 23/7/07 21:24, Doug Chanco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey all,
 
 I was wondering if anyone can tell me (or knows of any good
 sites/articles that talk about)  the benefits of universe over unidata
 (and visa versa).  From my universe days I recall that they had lots of
 file types you could use (if your keys right mostly characters, left
 heavy with numeric, etc )  which I don't think unidata has and I
 also seem to recall (form my unidata days) that unidata had a self
 resizing file (which I also recall did not work too well, by not
 accounting for growth)
 
 
 
 Other than that I cannot see the benefits of one over the other and
 would appreciate any insight anyone would care to share
 
 
 
 Thanks!
 
 
 
 Dougc
 
 
 
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Re: [U2] Converting static to dynamic

2007-07-24 Thread George Land
We run pretty much all of our files as dynamic although mainly because we
write software for resale and it is much easier for a customer site to be
managed if everything is dynamic.

The main issue is to try and create the dynamic file at roughly the right
size rather than creating it small and letting it grow.  It will be quicker
to copy and will perform better.

Once created we haven't seen any serious performance issues so long as they
are managed.  It's not as serious as managing a static file but you do still
have to keep an eye on them and resize them once in a while

George Land
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On 24/7/07 09:05, Jonathan Leckie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We have two very large files from which I often have to remove data to stop
 the files reaching the 2GB limit, much as I enjoy removing this data my
 colleague has suggested that changing these files to be dynamic would mean
 we could allow them to hold more data and choose when to remove old data
 rather than be forced to.
 
 Does any one have any experiences that they wish to share regarding changing
 files in this way, e.g. file performance before and after, any practical
 steps required after conversion etc.?
 
 We are running red hat enterprise Linux 3 and unidata 6.


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RE: [U2] Move data files from Unidata to Universe

2007-07-24 Thread Tom Dodds
You can use UvAdmin's backup and restore capability.  There is pretty good
HELP for both of these processes and it is good for someone that only does
this occasionally.


Tom Dodds

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Subject: [U2] Move data files from Unidata to Universe

I have a Unidata demo on my pc that I installed along the the PE version of
Unidata. I want to test in my Universe/Linux environment. How does one
convert a Unidata account to Universe? (I am ok with the ud style dicts, so
I just need to convert the data files, indexes? etc.) It has been suggested
that uvbackup can do this.

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RE: [U2] Converting static to dynamic

2007-07-24 Thread Baakkonen, Rodney A (Rod) 46K
We have a dynamic file that is 65 gig. I would recommend that you invest some 
time experimenting with split/merge params and even possibly KEYDATA to see 
what works best with your file. 
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Subject: [U2] Converting static to dynamic


We have two very large files from which I often have to remove data to stop 
the files reaching the 2GB limit, much as I enjoy removing this data my 
colleague has suggested that changing these files to be dynamic would mean 
we could allow them to hold more data and choose when to remove old data 
rather than be forced to.

Does any one have any experiences that they wish to share regarding changing 
files in this way, e.g. file performance before and after, any practical 
steps required after conversion etc.?

We are running red hat enterprise Linux 3 and unidata 6.

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RE: [U2] Converting static to dynamic

2007-07-24 Thread Dave Davis
Use hash type 1.
Use KEYONLY splitting.
Choose a reasonable starting modulo
Experiment with SPLIT.LOAD and MERGE.LOAD.

The file will probably be twice as slow as a perfectly sized static file
but who cares.

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Subject: [U2] Converting static to dynamic

We have two very large files from which I often have to remove data to
stop the files reaching the 2GB limit, much as I enjoy removing this
data my colleague has suggested that changing these files to be dynamic
would mean we could allow them to hold more data and choose when to
remove old data rather than be forced to.

Does any one have any experiences that they wish to share regarding
changing files in this way, e.g. file performance before and after, any
practical steps required after conversion etc.?

We are running red hat enterprise Linux 3 and unidata 6.

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RE: [U2] Converting static to dynamic

2007-07-24 Thread Baakkonen, Rodney A (Rod) 46K
KEYONLY would not work for us for the most part. We have File Keys that 
were 10-15 characters. Our record sizes would be 300-800. So we would never get 
enough Keys in a group to cause splitting. KEYDATA works fine in 90% of our 
files. But we have files that have meaningful keys that do not hash well. Keys 
like this do poorly with hashing in Unidata:

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

And they are a disaster with KEYDATA. Splitting happens continuously as 
the hashing causes records to hash to the same groups even after the split. So 
I had to go back to KEYONLY and I manually have to resize these files with 
meaningful keys on a yearly basis.

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Use hash type 1.
Use KEYONLY splitting.
Choose a reasonable starting modulo
Experiment with SPLIT.LOAD and MERGE.LOAD.

The file will probably be twice as slow as a perfectly sized static file
but who cares.

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Subject: [U2] Converting static to dynamic

We have two very large files from which I often have to remove data to
stop the files reaching the 2GB limit, much as I enjoy removing this
data my colleague has suggested that changing these files to be dynamic
would mean we could allow them to hold more data and choose when to
remove old data rather than be forced to.

Does any one have any experiences that they wish to share regarding
changing files in this way, e.g. file performance before and after, any
practical steps required after conversion etc.?

We are running red hat enterprise Linux 3 and unidata 6.

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Re: [U2] Does UniDynArray of UOJ behave differently in Unix/Linux?

2007-07-24 Thread Jeff Powell
Yes,

I just tried  LANG=C,  LANG=ja_JP.iso885915 and LANG=en_UK.iso885915 and
only LANG=en_US.iso885915 works.



On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 22:32 -0700, waivic wrote:

 I need to set LANG=en_US in order for the codes working in our system. 
 Wai 
 
 
 waivic wrote:
  
  We have a Unidata 7.1 runing on a Redhat Linux server. I build a
  subroutine X.SUB1(XL.INPUTS, X.OUTPUT). XL.INPUTS is a dynamic array list;
  X.OUTPUT is the output.
  b
  b
  
  When I run the above UniObject codes in True Unix 64 environment,
  XL.INPUTS correctly get the input values and X.SUB1 is being run
  correctly. However, when I run the above UniObject codes in Red Hat Linux
  environment, the XL.INPUTS doesnbt being populated with the correct values
  from the input UniDynArray-inputArray. 
  
  I have two questions:
  1. Does anyone know the reason why this happens? 
  2. Do I use the correct way to pass in an array of values to a subroutine
  with UOJ? Is there any better way to pass in an array of values through
  UOJ?
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[U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness?

2007-07-24 Thread Kevin King
Is there any particular reason why the following command fails on Unidata
(ECLTYPE P)?

COPY file 0011327008!1

It splits the key on the ! character and sees it like two different items.
Is there a way to stop this?
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[U2] SB+ Solutions CDs

2007-07-24 Thread Kevin King
...are now gone.
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RE: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness?

2007-07-24 Thread Karen Bessel
Have you tried quoting the item-ID?

I don't have any explanation for why the ! would cause the split. 

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Subject: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness?

Is there any particular reason why the following command fails on
Unidata
(ECLTYPE P)?

COPY file 0011327008!1

It splits the key on the ! character and sees it like two different
items.
Is there a way to stop this?
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Re: [U2] SB+ Solutions CDs

2007-07-24 Thread Colin Jennings

...are now gone.



You missed a trick there Kevin - imagine how much you could have made on 
ebay!  :-)


Col.
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Re: [U2] Dictionary Help!

2007-07-24 Thread Kevin King
On 7/23/07, Al DeWitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I'm trying to remember where there is list of subroutines I can use when
 creating v-descriptors/i-descriptors.  Since I don't do it very often I
 have forgotten which manual they can be found in.


I believe you're looking for the Using Unidata document, chapter 5.
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Re: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness?

2007-07-24 Thread Tom Gorton
You will need to enclose the ID in  - eg 0011327008!1. We run into this all
the time on our system that use special characters in the keys.



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Is there any particular reason why the following command fails on Unidata
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COPY file 0011327008!1

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RE: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness?

2007-07-24 Thread Debster
Because ! is speaking Unix

In order to copy, read, etc some items that contain some special characters,
or spaces you must wrap them with  in order for the system to translate
what is enclosed to characters

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Have you tried quoting the item-ID?

I don't have any explanation for why the ! would cause the split.

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Subject: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness?

Is there any particular reason why the following command fails on
Unidata
(ECLTYPE P)?

COPY file 0011327008!1

It splits the key on the ! character and sees it like two different
items.
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RE: [U2] Move data files from Unidata to Universe

2007-07-24 Thread Bill Haskett
Tom:

I'm not aware of any backup utility for UniData.  So, using uvbackup doesn't 
seem
to be a solution.

The only other solution I know of for moving UniData data is the T.DUMP / 
T.LOAD
method for each file for each account on the system.  Difficult, but 
manageable. 

Bill

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You can use UvAdmin's backup and restore capability.  There is pretty good
HELP for both of these processes and it is good for someone that only does
this occasionally.


Tom Dodds

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Ballinger
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 8:53 PM
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Subject: [U2] Move data files from Unidata to Universe

I have a Unidata demo on my pc that I installed along the the PE version of
Unidata. I want to test in my Universe/Linux environment. How does one
convert a Unidata account to Universe? (I am ok with the ud style dicts, so
I just need to convert the data files, indexes? etc.) It has been suggested
that uvbackup can do this.

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Pareto Corporation
Edmonds WA USA
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Re: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness?

2007-07-24 Thread Kevin King
I understand the fix, but what I don't understand is why COPY works
different from ED or DELETE or other commands.
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Re: [U2] SB+ Solutions CDs

2007-07-24 Thread Kevin King
On 7/24/07, Colin Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  ...are now gone.

 You missed a trick there Kevin - imagine how much you could have made on
 ebay!  :-)


Nah, all in good will.
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RE: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness?

2007-07-24 Thread Debster
because it is really just the unix cp command wrapped so it reacts the
same

ED reacts the same with embedded spaces





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I understand the fix, but what I don't understand is why COPY works
different from ED or DELETE or other commands.
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Re: [U2] Does UniDynArray of UOJ behave differently in Unix/Linux?

2007-07-24 Thread Jeff Powell
Wai,

You can set this immediately before you call to the java program in a
shell script. I do this regularly. I also set /etc/sysconfig/i18n on
some systems to choose this as a system wide default. It does not
adversely effect the operation of the system in any way. This is handy
since all processes that might use uoj (tomcat, java, etc) will
automatically benefit from it.

I hope this helps.

Jeff


On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 22:32 -0700, waivic wrote:

 I need to set LANG=en_US in order for the codes working in our system. 
 Wai 
 
 
 waivic wrote:
  
  We have a Unidata 7.1 runing on a Redhat Linux server. I build a
  subroutine X.SUB1(XL.INPUTS, X.OUTPUT). XL.INPUTS is a dynamic array list;
  X.OUTPUT is the output.
  b
  b
  
  When I run the above UniObject codes in True Unix 64 environment,
  XL.INPUTS correctly get the input values and X.SUB1 is being run
  correctly. However, when I run the above UniObject codes in Red Hat Linux
  environment, the XL.INPUTS doesnbt being populated with the correct values
  from the input UniDynArray-inputArray. 
  
  I have two questions:
  1. Does anyone know the reason why this happens? 
  2. Do I use the correct way to pass in an array of values to a subroutine
  with UOJ? Is there any better way to pass in an array of values through
  UOJ?
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RE: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness?

2007-07-24 Thread Bill Haskett
Kevin:

Welcome to UniData.  :-)

Bill 

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I understand the fix, but what I don't understand is why COPY works
different from ED or DELETE or other commands.
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[U2] Re: Move data files from Unidata to Universe

2007-07-24 Thread Scott Ballinger
UPDATE:
Here is a response I received from IBM:


Scott,
I have checked with our Lab Services (aka consulting) group and they tell
me that there have been no requests to migrate a UniData account to
UniVerse, and there are no native utilities within UniVerse to do this.
They are willing to discuss this with you as a billable engagement.
FYI, if this had been the inverse .. migrating a UV account to UniData, it
would have been no problem, as UniData comes bundled with a command called
UV_RESTORE, which takes a uvbackup sourced account and restores and
converts it to UniData file formats.


So perhaps there is another way to skin this cat. Is there a way to
read/write to UDT files directly from UV?

Any and all off-the-wall, out-of-the-box, out-of-left-field, {insert your
favorite left-brained-business-creativity-MBA cliche here} suggestions
welcome.

/Scott Ballinger
Pareto Corporation
Edmonds WA USA
206 713 6006


On 7/23/07, Scott Ballinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a Unidata demo on my pc that I installed along the the PE version
 of Unidata. I want to test in my Universe/Linux environment. How does one
 convert a Unidata account to Universe? (I am ok with the ud style dicts, so
 I just need to convert the data files, indexes? etc.) It has been suggested
 that uvbackup can do this.

 /Scott Ballinger
 Pareto Corporation
 Edmonds WA USA
 206 713 6006
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Re: [U2] Re: Move data files from Unidata to Universe

2007-07-24 Thread Clifton Oliver
Use .NET to write a simple read/write utility to use UniObject.NET to  
copy logical records from one data source to another? I think UD and  
UV can coexist on the same machine (somebody please confirm or  
negate), so you wouldn't necessarily have to pay network overhead.


Or, write your own dump/load utility in UniBasic(s).


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On Jul 24, 2007, at 6:10 PM, Scott Ballinger wrote:


UPDATE:
Here is a response I received from IBM:


Scott,
I have checked with our Lab Services (aka consulting) group and  
they tell

me that there have been no requests to migrate a UniData account to
UniVerse, and there are no native utilities within UniVerse to do  
this.

They are willing to discuss this with you as a billable engagement.
FYI, if this had been the inverse .. migrating a UV account to  
UniData, it
would have been no problem, as UniData comes bundled with a command  
called

UV_RESTORE, which takes a uvbackup sourced account and restores and
converts it to UniData file formats.


So perhaps there is another way to skin this cat. Is there a way to
read/write to UDT files directly from UV?

Any and all off-the-wall, out-of-the-box, out-of-left-field,  
{insert your

favorite left-brained-business-creativity-MBA cliche here} suggestions
welcome.

/Scott Ballinger
Pareto Corporation
Edmonds WA USA
206 713 6006


On 7/23/07, Scott Ballinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I have a Unidata demo on my pc that I installed along the the PE  
version
of Unidata. I want to test in my Universe/Linux environment. How  
does one
convert a Unidata account to Universe? (I am ok with the ud style  
dicts, so
I just need to convert the data files, indexes? etc.) It has been  
suggested

that uvbackup can do this.

/Scott Ballinger
Pareto Corporation
Edmonds WA USA
206 713 6006

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Re: [U2] Re: Move data files from Unidata to Universe

2007-07-24 Thread doug chanco
I can confirm I am currently running jBASE 4.1 , universe 10.x and 
unidata 7.x on the same virtual linux machine (running centos 9free 
version of red hats advanced server 4.0)  with absolutely no problems)


running uv/ud on the same system

dougc

Clifton Oliver wrote:
Use .NET to write a simple read/write utility to use UniObject.NET to 
copy logical records from one data source to another? I think UD and 
UV can coexist on the same machine (somebody please confirm or negate), 
so you wouldn't necessarily have to pay network overhead.


Or, write your own dump/load utility in UniBasic(s).





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Re: [U2] Re: Move data files from Unidata to Universe

2007-07-24 Thread doug chanco
I can confirm I am currently running jBASE 4.1 , universe 10.x and 
unidata 7.x on the same virtual linux machine (running centos 9free 
version of red hats advanced server 4.0)  with absolutely no problems)


running uv/ud on the same system

dougc

Clifton Oliver wrote:
Use .NET to write a simple read/write utility to use UniObject.NET to 
copy logical records from one data source to another? I think UD and 
UV can coexist on the same machine (somebody please confirm or negate), 
so you wouldn't necessarily have to pay network overhead.


Or, write your own dump/load utility in UniBasic(s).





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AND your program STILL DOES NOT work, one thing you can be 
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Re: [U2] Re: Move data files from Unidata to Universe

2007-07-24 Thread doug chanco
I can confirm (that ud/uv will run fine on the same system) as I 
currently run jBASE 4.1, unidata 7.x amd universe 10.x on the same 
virtual machine running linux (centos to be exact (free version fo red 
hats advanced sever 4.0)) and they all work just fine together


dougc

Clifton Oliver wrote:
Use .NET to write a simple read/write utility to use UniObject.NET to 
copy logical records from one data source to another? I think UD and 
UV can coexist on the same machine (somebody please confirm or 
negate), so you wouldn't necessarily have to pay network overhead.


Or, write your own dump/load utility in UniBasic(s).





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AND your program STILL DOES NOT work, one thing you can be 
sure of is that something you are sure of is wrong 
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