Re: [U2] [UD] LISTUSER output: phantom vs. iphantm
iPhantoms are any background that perform interactive operations, such as opening a socket or device. They consume a licence. FWIH some time back a couple of naughty sites were buying small numbers of users and opening ttys directly with phantoms so IBM blocked that. Now it catches all of us who legitimately want to make a web service or similar call in the background. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of dean.armbrus...@ferguson.com Sent: 13 September 2012 23:32 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UD] LISTUSER output: phantom vs. iphantm What is the difference between LISTUSER USRTYPEs phantom and iphantm? On our systems, we will have 100 to 200 phantom processes, i.e. background processes, running at any given moment. When I look at them via LISTUSER, they will be split approximately 60/40 between phantom and iphantm. All were started using the PHANTOM verb. I can't discern a difference, and I can't find anything about it in the 7.3 UniData documents. A search for iphantm has no hits. This comes into play because it seems that SYSTEM(514) includes iphantm sessions in the count, but not phantom sessions. We have a monitoring program that warns us if the number of users approaches the configured license limit, and it uses SYSTEM(514). We built in for it to allow for a configurable amount of phantom processes. If phantom processes may or may not be included in SYSTEM(514), our monitor program isn't as accurate as it could be. It seems to me that neither phantom nor iphantm should be included in SYSTEM(514). HELP for SYSTEM(514) states that it returns the number users currently logged in and does not include phantoms. Presumably, this is the number of licenses in use. Do iphantm sessions use a license? UniData 7.3.1 HPUX 11.31 Dean Armbruster Information Technology, System Analyst Ferguson Enterprises, Inc. 12500 Jefferson Avenue * Newport News * VA * 23602-4314 T: +1 (757) 989 2839 * F: +1 (757) 989 2801 www.ferguson.comhttp://www.wolseley.com/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed
Not on UD -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: 12 September 2012 21:59 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed I thought system(36) shows the number of licenses -Original Message- From: Kevin King ke...@precisonline.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:38 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed Can you parse it out of the listusers OS command? On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:24 PM, dean.armbrus...@ferguson.com wrote: Is there a way to programmatically determine the number of licensed users allowed? SYSTEM(514) reports the number of non-phantom users currently logged in, which is essentially the number of licenses in use. I want to compare that against the number of users allowed in a monitoring program. I want to know if we're close to the limit before we run out. The number of licenses varies by server. Colleagues have suggested using grep on udtconfig for NUSERS, but that is not the same thing. Since we generally have 100-200 phantom processes, we sometimes configure to a size larger than the license limit to have room for those phantom processes. UniData 7.3.1 HPUX 11.31 Dean Armbruster Information Technology, System Analyst Ferguson Enterprises, Inc. 12500 Jefferson Avenue * Newport News * VA * 23602-4314 T: +1 (757) 989 2839 * F: +1 (757) 989 2801 www.ferguson.comhttp://www.wolseley.com/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5264 - Release Date: 09/12/12 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Thomas Boadu is out of the office.
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Re: [U2] [UD] LISTUSER output: phantom vs. iphantm
Is there a definitive list of operations that makes something an iPhantom vs. a phantom? I know about sockets, but presume there is more, right? On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote: iPhantoms are any background that perform interactive operations, such as opening a socket or device. They consume a licence. FWIH some time back a couple of naughty sites were buying small numbers of users and opening ttys directly with phantoms so IBM blocked that. Now it catches all of us who legitimately want to make a web service or similar call in the background. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of dean.armbrus...@ferguson.com Sent: 13 September 2012 23:32 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UD] LISTUSER output: phantom vs. iphantm What is the difference between LISTUSER USRTYPEs phantom and iphantm? On our systems, we will have 100 to 200 phantom processes, i.e. background processes, running at any given moment. When I look at them via LISTUSER, they will be split approximately 60/40 between phantom and iphantm. All were started using the PHANTOM verb. I can't discern a difference, and I can't find anything about it in the 7.3 UniData documents. A search for iphantm has no hits. This comes into play because it seems that SYSTEM(514) includes iphantm sessions in the count, but not phantom sessions. We have a monitoring program that warns us if the number of users approaches the configured license limit, and it uses SYSTEM(514). We built in for it to allow for a configurable amount of phantom processes. If phantom processes may or may not be included in SYSTEM(514), our monitor program isn't as accurate as it could be. It seems to me that neither phantom nor iphantm should be included in SYSTEM(514). HELP for SYSTEM(514) states that it returns the number users currently logged in and does not include phantoms. Presumably, this is the number of licenses in use. Do iphantm sessions use a license? UniData 7.3.1 HPUX 11.31 Dean Armbruster Information Technology, System Analyst Ferguson Enterprises, Inc. 12500 Jefferson Avenue * Newport News * VA * 23602-4314 T: +1 (757) 989 2839 * F: +1 (757) 989 2801 www.ferguson.comhttp://www.wolseley.com/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Ellucian job posting a little bizarre
Is ellucian really so fool proof that you need *no* Pick experience to operate http://jobview.monster.com/getjob.aspx?jobid=113258910WT.mc_n=olm_sk_feed_beyond ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ellucian job posting a little bizarre
Hi, Unless I missed it, that job description only mentioned Ellucian Banner, not Colleague. Banner is the ex-Sungard product, while Colleague is the ex-Datatel product that uses UniData. Banner would not require any Pick experience, as far as I know. Cheers, Jim Stoner ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ellucian job posting a little bizarre
Ellucian is the result of Datatel and SunGard HE merging bringing the Colleague, Banner, and PowerCampus products under one house. Colleague has its roots in Pick based systems but Banner and PowerCampus do not. This job posting is for a position in a Banner environment so there is no need for any Pick experience. Scott Howder Assistant CIO Cedarville University howd...@cedarville.edu 937-766-7905 On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Is ellucian really so fool proof that you need *no* Pick experience to operate http://jobview.monster.com/getjob.aspx?jobid=113258910WT.mc_n=olm_sk_feed_beyond ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UD] LISTUSER output: phantom vs. iphantm
https://u2tc.rocketsoftware.com/documentation/PDF/1177927.pdf Wally Terhune Technical Support Engineer Rocket Software 4600 South Ulster Street, Suite 1100 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA t: +1 720 475 8055 **e: wterh...@rocketsoftware.com **w: rocketsoftware.com/u2 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 8:37 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] LISTUSER output: phantom vs. iphantm Is there a definitive list of operations that makes something an iPhantom vs. a phantom? I know about sockets, but presume there is more, right? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
