Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
On 08/10/13 05:28, Doug Chanco wrote: Questions I have been asked (and my favorites) Tell me a solution to get the last day of a given month (pick) I used that as a test question - it was quite revealing ... Another question we used - look for some bad code in one of your own programs. Ask the candidates to work out what it does, and ask could you do better?. The code we found was ten lines that (badly) re-implemented the round() function. ALL the candidates except one tried to rewrite it and made a total hash of it. One person actually spotted what it was trying to do and said you could use the round function. Even more impressive, he commented that he hadn't bothered to work out what it did when fed negative numbers but he mentioned the appropriate options. I think all told we had about four questions and gave candidates an hour. We were quite explicit that that was NOT enough time to do a good job, and we wanted quick and dirty answers, but the number of people who clearly wasted most of their time on question 1 was amazing. If you're going to call people back for a second interview, that's a good approach - give them a few open-ended questions and see how they tackle them. The no-hopers can be dropped and the few who can even read the questions properly can be called back for a further grilling :-) Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
Sorty kevin I misread your question and missed the technical qyestions aside part ... My favorite non technical questions were: Why should we hire you in 5 sentences or less Explain to me a strength you bring and why you think its a strength Whats a weakness you have and how do you plan to address it Tell me about a typical day at work(current or previous job) Why do you want this job Describe to me your previous or current boss Tell me 3 things you like to do for fun and why Do you dislike working extra hours and why Pretend your me (interviewer) give and answer 3 questions you would ask in helping you fill the position Dougc Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Mega™, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Doug Chanco d...@chancofamily.com Date:10/08/2013 00:28 (GMT-05:00) To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions Questions I have been asked (and my favorites) Tell me a solution to get the last day of a given month (pick) Now give me the same solution in another language Whats an object and give me an example Whats your favorite shell and why? Whats a netmask and default gateway Whats one tech you do not know but would like to learn and why? Why use stored procedures? What does oconv mcp do? Favorite version of unix and why? Cannot access server x (network) walk me through what steps you would do to figure out the issue What are some commands you use in the pick debugger Favorite version of pick and why? What are sone ways for non pick programs to communicate with a pick system (Follow up) Which one do you prefer and why? I know sone of these are not pick related but they are my favorite questions asked me in various interviews and (in my humble opinion) the days of just a pick programmer are slowly going away companies (again IMHO) are looking for more than just knowing pick basic Anyway here is my contribution feel free to use all/none or any combination in between and good luck in your hiring Dougc Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Mega™, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Kevin King ke...@precisonline.com Date:10/07/2013 22:35 (GMT-05:00) To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions This is not specifically a job posting, but I do have ads up on Monster and LinkedIn looking for talent. At the risk of confessing too much, I have historically been far too easy in the interview process. As a result, I have had some less-than-excellent hires and spent far too much time and money trying to rescue underperforming and/or recalcitrant staff. Therefore, I'm planning to be much more discriminating this time around, and am building a series of technical questions to help quickly identify those that have the right skills, abilities, and attitude for our team compared to those who may not. That being said, I have a question for the group: Technical questions aside, what are the best interview questions you've asked, been asked, or otherwise heard about that help differentiate between the candidates worthy of additional consideration vs. those that are not? Each company is different of course, but that aside I'm hoping to get some ideas to cut to the heart of the matter as quickly and efficiently as possible, both for the sake of the interviewer and the interviewee. (My technical interview is bordering on 200 questions and growing at an alarming pace.) If there were a half dozen questions to open with that could help set the stage for what may be to come, that could be very beneficial for everyone in this mix. Also, in an effort to keep the OT to a minimum, please don't ask me questions about the positions here. If you have questions, email me directly or through LinkedIn. I'd prefer to keep this topic on point of your recommended interview questions. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
Kevin, Before I hire someone I try and contact every reference they provide. You might think that is a waste of time since it is an easy way for the applicant to boost their credibility. I found it very revealing. MM -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 9:36 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions This is not specifically a job posting, but I do have ads up on Monster and LinkedIn looking for talent. At the risk of confessing too much, I have historically been far too easy in the interview process. As a result, I have had some less-than-excellent hires and spent far too much time and money trying to rescue underperforming and/or recalcitrant staff. Therefore, I'm planning to be much more discriminating this time around, and am building a series of technical questions to help quickly identify those that have the right skills, abilities, and attitude for our team compared to those who may not. That being said, I have a question for the group: Technical questions aside, what are the best interview questions you've asked, been asked, or otherwise heard about that help differentiate between the candidates worthy of additional consideration vs. those that are not? Each company is different of course, but that aside I'm hoping to get some ideas to cut to the heart of the matter as quickly and efficiently as possible, both for the sake of the interviewer and the interviewee. (My technical interview is bordering on 200 questions and growing at an alarming pace.) If there were a half dozen questions to open with that could help set the stage for what may be to come, that could be very beneficial for everyone in this mix. Also, in an effort to keep the OT to a minimum, please don't ask me questions about the positions here. If you have questions, email me directly or through LinkedIn. I'd prefer to keep this topic on point of your recommended interview questions. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Missing docs on Transaction Logging
The URL has been cut in the message and sends you to the wrong page Daniel go back to my original message The Universe version number should e part of the URL Try this one for example https://docs.rocketsoftware.com/nxt/gateway.dll/RKB14/universe/11.1.11/translog.pdf -Original Message- From: Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Oct 7, 2013 7:39 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Missing docs on Transaction Logging I've just tried this at home and was able to get to everything I could see. What browser are you using? Sending in screenshots of your page to u2as...@rs.com might help us track down what issue you have. Cheers, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kate Stanton Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Missing docs on Transaction Logging It appears none of the documents can be retrieved from that page. None that I tried could. Kate Stanton Walstan Systems Ltd 4 Kelmarna Ave, Herne Bay, Auckland 1011, New Zealand Phone: + 64 9 360 5310 Mobile: + 64 21 400 486 Email: k...@walstan.com On 4 October 2013 06:55, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: From this page http://www.rocketsoftware.com/brand/rocket-u2/technical-documentation/ UniVerse-v11.1.11 Select this UniVerse Transaction Logging and Recovery and you will get the error Unable to retrieve document By the way it says to contact the webmaster and yet there does not appear to be any way to know how to do that, either from the error page, or from the docs page either. No link to webmaster at all ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
One thing I learned the hard way - if an applicant takes a scheduled phone interview while shopping at Walmart, don't hire that person! His or her attitude toward you and your company becomes evident. Charlie On 10-08-2013 6:29 AM, Doug Chanco wrote: Sorty kevin I misread your question and missed the technical qyestions aside part ... My favorite non technical questions were: Why should we hire you in 5 sentences or less Explain to me a strength you bring and why you think its a strength Whats a weakness you have and how do you plan to address it Tell me about a typical day at work(current or previous job) Why do you want this job Describe to me your previous or current boss Tell me 3 things you like to do for fun and why Do you dislike working extra hours and why Pretend your me (interviewer) give and answer 3 questions you would ask in helping you fill the position Dougc Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Mega™, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Doug Chanco d...@chancofamily.com Date:10/08/2013 00:28 (GMT-05:00) To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions Questions I have been asked (and my favorites) Tell me a solution to get the last day of a given month (pick) Now give me the same solution in another language Whats an object and give me an example Whats your favorite shell and why? Whats a netmask and default gateway Whats one tech you do not know but would like to learn and why? Why use stored procedures? What does oconv mcp do? Favorite version of unix and why? Cannot access server x (network) walk me through what steps you would do to figure out the issue What are some commands you use in the pick debugger Favorite version of pick and why? What are sone ways for non pick programs to communicate with a pick system (Follow up) Which one do you prefer and why? I know sone of these are not pick related but they are my favorite questions asked me in various interviews and (in my humble opinion) the days of just a pick programmer are slowly going away companies (again IMHO) are looking for more than just knowing pick basic Anyway here is my contribution feel free to use all/none or any combination in between and good luck in your hiring Dougc Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Mega™, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Kevin King ke...@precisonline.com Date:10/07/2013 22:35 (GMT-05:00) To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions This is not specifically a job posting, but I do have ads up on Monster and LinkedIn looking for talent. At the risk of confessing too much, I have historically been far too easy in the interview process. As a result, I have had some less-than-excellent hires and spent far too much time and money trying to rescue underperforming and/or recalcitrant staff. Therefore, I'm planning to be much more discriminating this time around, and am building a series of technical questions to help quickly identify those that have the right skills, abilities, and attitude for our team compared to those who may not. That being said, I have a question for the group: Technical questions aside, what are the best interview questions you've asked, been asked, or otherwise heard about that help differentiate between the candidates worthy of additional consideration vs. those that are not? Each company is different of course, but that aside I'm hoping to get some ideas to cut to the heart of the matter as quickly and efficiently as possible, both for the sake of the interviewer and the interviewee. (My technical interview is bordering on 200 questions and growing at an alarming pace.) If there were a half dozen questions to open with that could help set the stage for what may be to come, that could be very beneficial for everyone in this mix. Also, in an effort to keep the OT to a minimum, please don't ask me questions about the positions here. If you have questions, email me directly or through LinkedIn. I'd prefer to keep this topic on point of your recommended interview questions. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
My all-time best interview was 20 years ago at FigiGraphics in San Diego. I was given a (Basic) program I was told had 12 known bugs in it. I was given twenty minutes to find and fix them. Some were trivial, but annoying to debug none the less. Others were more subtle, and several involved mutual interactions. The group of them did provide enough coverage so as to demonstrate if you had a broad Basic knowledge plus debug/code skills. Also I was seated at work station with a keyboard that had a bad key. Part of the test was to see how long I would go before I complained. Of course the lost time came out of my twenty minute allotment :-) I am surprised that in my entire career this was the only time I had ever been given a hands-on 'performance test' by a hiring company. And how many times have I been assigned by my company to an interview panel where we would pick someone who 'interviewed well' - only for them to go down in flames later on... Marc Rutherford Principal Programmer/Analyst Advanced Bionics LLC 661 362-1754 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:36 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions This is not specifically a job posting, but I do have ads up on Monster and LinkedIn looking for talent. At the risk of confessing too much, I have historically been far too easy in the interview process. As a result, I have had some less-than-excellent hires and spent far too much time and money trying to rescue underperforming and/or recalcitrant staff. Therefore, I'm planning to be much more discriminating this time around, and am building a series of technical questions to help quickly identify those that have the right skills, abilities, and attitude for our team compared to those who may not. That being said, I have a question for the group: Technical questions aside, what are the best interview questions you've asked, been asked, or otherwise heard about that help differentiate between the candidates worthy of additional consideration vs. those that are not? Each company is different of course, but that aside I'm hoping to get some ideas to cut to the heart of the matter as quickly and efficiently as possible, both for the sake of the interviewer and the interviewee. (My technical interview is bordering on 200 questions and growing at an alarming pace.) If there were a half dozen questions to open with that could help set the stage for what may be to come, that could be very beneficial for everyone in this mix. Also, in an effort to keep the OT to a minimum, please don't ask me questions about the positions here. If you have questions, email me directly or through LinkedIn. I'd prefer to keep this topic on point of your recommended interview questions. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
Hi Marc, I don't suppose you have a copy of that program you'd be willing to share? Charlie On 10-08-2013 10:10 AM, Rutherford, Marc wrote: My all-time best interview was 20 years ago at FigiGraphics in San Diego. I was given a (Basic) program I was told had 12 known bugs in it. I was given twenty minutes to find and fix them. Some were trivial, but annoying to debug none the less. Others were more subtle, and several involved mutual interactions. The group of them did provide enough coverage so as to demonstrate if you had a broad Basic knowledge plus debug/code skills. Also I was seated at work station with a keyboard that had a bad key. Part of the test was to see how long I would go before I complained. Of course the lost time came out of my twenty minute allotment :-) I am surprised that in my entire career this was the only time I had ever been given a hands-on 'performance test' by a hiring company. And how many times have I been assigned by my company to an interview panel where we would pick someone who 'interviewed well' - only for them to go down in flames later on... Marc Rutherford Principal Programmer/Analyst Advanced Bionics LLC 661 362-1754 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:36 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions This is not specifically a job posting, but I do have ads up on Monster and LinkedIn looking for talent. At the risk of confessing too much, I have historically been far too easy in the interview process. As a result, I have had some less-than-excellent hires and spent far too much time and money trying to rescue underperforming and/or recalcitrant staff. Therefore, I'm planning to be much more discriminating this time around, and am building a series of technical questions to help quickly identify those that have the right skills, abilities, and attitude for our team compared to those who may not. That being said, I have a question for the group: Technical questions aside, what are the best interview questions you've asked, been asked, or otherwise heard about that help differentiate between the candidates worthy of additional consideration vs. those that are not? Each company is different of course, but that aside I'm hoping to get some ideas to cut to the heart of the matter as quickly and efficiently as possible, both for the sake of the interviewer and the interviewee. (My technical interview is bordering on 200 questions and growing at an alarming pace.) If there were a half dozen questions to open with that could help set the stage for what may be to come, that could be very beneficial for everyone in this mix. Also, in an effort to keep the OT to a minimum, please don't ask me questions about the positions here. If you have questions, email me directly or through LinkedIn. I'd prefer to keep this topic on point of your recommended interview questions. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
Charlie, No, sorry. This was code on their in-house server. As I recall Figi's program was a routine that read some files, did some calculations, and printed out the results to green-bar. You can build a similar test suite out of any program(s): 1) Chose working, cleanly designed, program. 2) Write down a list of code/design techniques which would demonstrate what your company needs. 3) find in 1 examples of 2, and then devilishly apply hacks which break 2. (typos, mangled loops, misplaced logic switches, etc.) 4) find a broken keyboard. Marc Rutherford Principal Programmer/Analyst Advanced Bionics LLC 661 362-1754 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Noah Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 8:26 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions Hi Marc, I don't suppose you have a copy of that program you'd be willing to share? Charlie On 10-08-2013 10:10 AM, Rutherford, Marc wrote: My all-time best interview was 20 years ago at FigiGraphics in San Diego. I was given a (Basic) program I was told had 12 known bugs in it. I was given twenty minutes to find and fix them. Some were trivial, but annoying to debug none the less. Others were more subtle, and several involved mutual interactions. The group of them did provide enough coverage so as to demonstrate if you had a broad Basic knowledge plus debug/code skills. Also I was seated at work station with a keyboard that had a bad key. Part of the test was to see how long I would go before I complained. Of course the lost time came out of my twenty minute allotment :-) I am surprised that in my entire career this was the only time I had ever been given a hands-on 'performance test' by a hiring company. And how many times have I been assigned by my company to an interview panel where we would pick someone who 'interviewed well' - only for them to go down in flames later on... Marc Rutherford Principal Programmer/Analyst Advanced Bionics LLC 661 362-1754 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:36 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions This is not specifically a job posting, but I do have ads up on Monster and LinkedIn looking for talent. At the risk of confessing too much, I have historically been far too easy in the interview process. As a result, I have had some less-than-excellent hires and spent far too much time and money trying to rescue underperforming and/or recalcitrant staff. Therefore, I'm planning to be much more discriminating this time around, and am building a series of technical questions to help quickly identify those that have the right skills, abilities, and attitude for our team compared to those who may not. That being said, I have a question for the group: Technical questions aside, what are the best interview questions you've asked, been asked, or otherwise heard about that help differentiate between the candidates worthy of additional consideration vs. those that are not? Each company is different of course, but that aside I'm hoping to get some ideas to cut to the heart of the matter as quickly and efficiently as possible, both for the sake of the interviewer and the interviewee. (My technical interview is bordering on 200 questions and growing at an alarming pace.) If there were a half dozen questions to open with that could help set the stage for what may be to come, that could be very beneficial for everyone in this mix. Also, in an effort to keep the OT to a minimum, please don't ask me questions about the positions here. If you have questions, email me directly or through LinkedIn. I'd prefer to keep this topic on point of your recommended interview questions. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
I'll share the general sentiment that writing some code or debugging a live program is important. http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/02/why-cant-programmers-program.html for why. I think it's fair to have access to google while doing this, but reasonable people can disagree on that. I don't think there are any magical interview questions that will weed out the recalcitrant. It comes down to 1) *can* they do the job, and 2) *will* they do the job? A fizzbuzz test and some technical questions may answer #1, but there's really no predicting #2. In my old job I managed several teams of about 50 people total, and eventually gave up on interviews as a talent sieve and started doing contract-to-hire for 1-3 months. Actual performance is a much better predictor of future performance than interview performance. This dramatically changes the type of people you end up hiring, but for me it was worth the trade-off. My best hire ever was a mumbling, inarticulate, 20-year old drop out from Boulder. Later provided living proof that 100x programmers exist. He's a senior dev at Evite now ;-) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:36 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions This is not specifically a job posting, but I do have ads up on Monster and LinkedIn looking for talent. At the risk of confessing too much, I have historically been far too easy in the interview process. As a result, I have had some less-than-excellent hires and spent far too much time and money trying to rescue underperforming and/or recalcitrant staff. Therefore, I'm planning to be much more discriminating this time around, and am building a series of technical questions to help quickly identify those that have the right skills, abilities, and attitude for our team compared to those who may not. That being said, I have a question for the group: Technical questions aside, what are the best interview questions you've asked, been asked, or otherwise heard about that help differentiate between the candidates worthy of additional consideration vs. those that are not? Each company is different of course, but that aside I'm hoping to get some ideas to cut to the heart of the matter as quickly and efficiently as possible, both for the sake of the interviewer and the interviewee. (My technical interview is bordering on 200 questions and growing at an alarming pace.) If there were a half dozen questions to open with that could help set the stage for what may be to come, that could be very beneficial for everyone in this mix. Also, in an effort to keep the OT to a minimum, please don't ask me questions about the positions here. If you have questions, email me directly or through LinkedIn. I'd prefer to keep this topic on point of your recommended interview questions. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee and may contain confidential, privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
Whenever I interview, it's all about the work. I tend to give a technical interview and avoid the What can you bring to our company types of questions. HR wants to hire Game Show hosts. I need people who can produce. Find out what they know and how they think. And If you want to know somebody's character, give them a problem that you know they can't solve in the allotted time. You will see how they handle frustration and overwhelming challenges. If they take the problem as far as they can and look you in the eye and say I couldn't finish it then they will probably be good to work with. If they get shook up and try and BS you with a wrong answer, or if they try to distract you with their dazzling personality then I tend to shy away. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
Some of these responses have been really good. Thanks, all. Does anyone see any value in U2 Certification from Rocket? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
Kevin, Not that I have any real experience - at least not for what seems like a lifetime - with hiring. But my instinct might be to let the applicant tell me whatever they want. You know, just an open ended Tell me what you would like me to know about your skills, your ambitions and your work ethic. Probably that's an approach you've already tried. Susan -Original Message- From: mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [ mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Leverett, Brendon Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2013 1:40 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions Interviewer: What is one of your weak points? Applicant: My honesty. Interviewer: I would have thought that was a strong point. Applicant: I don't give a %^* what you think you stupid ^^%$ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
Tell me about the best boss you ever had, and why they were the best. -Original Message- From: Susan Joslyn sjos...@sjplus.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:54 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions Kevin, Not that I have any real experience - at least not for what seems like a lifetime - with hiring. But my instinct might be to let the applicant tell me whatever they want. You know, just an open ended Tell me what you would like me to know about your skills, your ambitions and your work ethic. Probably that's an approach you've already tried. Susan -Original Message- From: mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [ mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Leverett, Brendon Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2013 1:40 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions Interviewer: What is one of your weak points? Applicant: My honesty. Interviewer: I would have thought that was a strong point. Applicant: I don't give a %^* what you think you stupid ^^%$ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Missing docs on Transaction Logging
I see. Depending on how you navigate to the documentation, you either get a success or failure. this fails: https://docs.rocketsoftware.com/nxt/gateway.dll/RKB14/universe/11.1.11/translog.pdf this works: https://docs.rocketsoftware.com/nxt/gateway.dll/RKB14/universe/11.1/translog.pdf ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
Why not let HR handle the personality questions and background checks, that's what they do. That leaves you to concentrate on their technical abilities. David A. Green (480) 813-1725 DAG Consulting -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Susan Joslyn Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 12:54 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions Kevin, Not that I have any real experience - at least not for what seems like a lifetime - with hiring. But my instinct might be to let the applicant tell me whatever they want. You know, just an open ended Tell me what you would like me to know about your skills, your ambitions and your work ethic. Probably that's an approach you've already tried. Susan -Original Message- From: mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [ mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Leverett, Brendon Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2013 1:40 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions Interviewer: What is one of your weak points? Applicant: My honesty. Interviewer: I would have thought that was a strong point. Applicant: I don't give a %^* what you think you stupid ^^%$ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Missing docs on Transaction Logging
You are right. We changed our naming conventions. Now while we may update one or two manuals at any given point release (e.g. 11.1.11 or 11.1.12), we decided to just keep calling the doc set 11.1. So if you've saved old links pointing to 11.1.11, you'd be better off going back and resaving them as just 11.1. Does that make sense? If it wasn't an old saved link problem actually it may have been that we were updating the documentation database. Apologies for the inconvenience. Jackie -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jo Lester Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 2:11 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Missing docs on Transaction Logging I see. Depending on how you navigate to the documentation, you either get a success or failure. this fails: https://docs.rocketsoftware.com/nxt/gateway.dll/RKB14/universe/11.1.11/translog.pdf this works: https://docs.rocketsoftware.com/nxt/gateway.dll/RKB14/universe/11.1/translog.pdf ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Missing docs on Transaction Logging
Sorry about that, we did some reorganization and decided to just keep the first 2 digits of the database version, no matter the update level. So if you made that 11.1 instead of 11.1.11 it should work now. You may have been accessing it in the middle of the transition. Again apologies for the inconvenience. Jackie -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 11:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Missing docs on Transaction Logging From this page http://www.rocketsoftware.com/brand/rocket-u2/technical-documentation/UniVerse-v11.1.11 Select this UniVerse Transaction Logging and Recovery and you will get the error Unable to retrieve document By the way it says to contact the webmaster and yet there does not appear to be any way to know how to do that, either from the error page, or from the docs page either. No link to webmaster at all ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Missing docs on Transaction Logging
Jackie try it. It still gives an error, if you navigate the way I describe below. -Original Message- From: Jackie Burhans jburh...@rocketsoftware.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Missing docs on Transaction Logging Sorry about that, we did some reorganization and decided to just keep the first 2 digits of the database version, no matter the update level. So if you made that 11.1 instead of 11.1.11 it should work now. You may have been accessing it in the middle of the transition. Again apologies for the inconvenience. Jackie -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 11:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Missing docs on Transaction Logging From this page http://www.rocketsoftware.com/brand/rocket-u2/technical-documentation/UniVerse-v11.1.11 Select this UniVerse Transaction Logging and Recovery and you will get the error Unable to retrieve document By the way it says to contact the webmaster and yet there does not appear to be any way to know how to do that, either from the error page, or from the docs page either. No link to webmaster at all ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Missing docs on Transaction Logging
It's still the case right now Jackie. -Original Message- From: Jackie Burhans jburh...@rocketsoftware.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:35 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Missing docs on Transaction Logging You are right. We changed our naming conventions. Now while we may update one or two manuals at any given point release (e.g. 11.1.11 or 11.1.12), we decided to just keep calling the doc set 11.1. So if you've saved old links pointing to 11.1.11, you'd be better off going back and resaving them as just 11.1. Does that make sense? If it wasn't an old saved link problem actually it may have been that we were updating the documentation database. Apologies for the inconvenience. Jackie -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jo Lester Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 2:11 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Missing docs on Transaction Logging I see. Depending on how you navigate to the documentation, you either get a success or failure. this fails: https://docs.rocketsoftware.com/nxt/gateway.dll/RKB14/universe/11.1.11/translog.pdf this works: https://docs.rocketsoftware.com/nxt/gateway.dll/RKB14/universe/11.1/translog.pdf ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
I wrote a short blog series on the ineffectiveness of 98% of the companies recruiting for MV positions, I just haven't published it yet. In short, they don't know what questions to ask and most end-users don't know either. That's why we see a high percentage of failed hires in this industry, and Kevin is just confirming that. Kevin, don't forget PickJobs.net. In addition to some of the suggestions here, I'd give a candidate a set of hands-on tests. Their resources: The command line and a browser. We're all going to have varying degrees of success coughing up a solution on the spot, in a verbal interview, or in writing. But if we can put it to the keyboard, most of us are going to have much better success. The browser is there for a touch of the real world. I might not know the exact syntax to get something done, but if I screw up and fall into debug, I will still get the job done quickly if I can access the product documentation, wiki's, and these valuable forums. Rather than asking a person for a fish, just make sure they know where to fish and that they know how to use the fishing pole. If they don't know where to find solutions then they're going to flounder (pun wasn't intended, but I'll take it). If they know where the industry/community resources are then they'll be able to respond to dynamic requirements even if they don't know a solution off-hand. And I'm going to alienate about 70% of our colleagues here, but I think a modern interview needs to favor those who have current knowledge of a variety of technologies. A BASIC-only developer isn't going to cut it anymore and people who are BASIC-only are holding onto their jobs because they know their current applications, not for their technical skills. If you're going to hire someone who isn't familiar with your app, they Must be on top of technologies, only one of which is MV. So depending on your company/client directions, the modern candidate must know MV + (Java and/or .NET and/or PHP and/or MySQL and/or SQL Server). They must have a solid grasp on XML and/or JSON. They must have a working knowledge of web services with SOAP and/or REST - and sending/receiving transactions with MV. A new hire must understand how MV behaves as a component in an enterprise, not as the one and only server in an office. Yeah, we're going to pay more for this person, but the person who differentiates themselves by knowing more than just Pick has already distinguished themselves in their ability to adapt to change - and that's really the kind of person we need to hire these days. Unfortunately it's going to be a lot easier to train someone to use Pick if they already know other technologies, than it will be to train a MV-only person to use other technologies. The people who haven't picked up on technology from this millennium demonstrate a long-term lack of drive and initiative - that's the kind of person we do Not want to hire these days. (One of the services I passively offer is assistance with hiring, interviewing, etc. Please feel free to contact me for assistance in creating job ads which attract the right people, and evaluating the people who respond.) Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog http://LinkedIn.com/in/TonyGravagno http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://PickWiki.com http://groups.google.com/group/MVDBMS http://www.LinkedIn.com/groups/Pick-Users-Group-64935 http://BitBucket.org/FOSS4MV ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
Tony, I agree with everything you said except one thing . And I'm going to alienate about 70% of our colleagues here, but I think a modern interview needs to favor those who have current knowledge of a variety of technologies. A BASIC-only developer isn't going to cut it anymore and people who are BASIC-only are holding onto their jobs because they know their current applications, not for their technical skills . I think you have it wrong and that 70% agree with you and 30% will disagree, I don't want to get to far off topic on this off topic topic, but most if not all know that just being a pick basic developer doesn't cut it anymore, pick talks to all kinds of modern technologies and the green screen apps are going the way of the dinosaurs, so one would have to have their head in the sand to not see that you need more skills than just knowing pick basic and how to create dictionaries and write prok's, having said that your post was well said as usual dougc ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
