Re: [U2] Regarding : Usage of the SEL.CMD
Go FUCK Yourself Dennis !! Paul Wilson | Senior Analyst Avalanche Information Solutions, Inc PO Box 251 Girard PA 16417 Office 814.431.4873 EMail: avalancheinfosols...@yahoo.com | Website: www.avalanchepa.com From: dennis bartlett dqbartl...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Regarding : Usage of the SEL.CMD The biggest problem we have experienced as Pickies has been that no-one has ever heard of it. Now, when there is evidence that someone is learning it, the likes of @PaulWilson shout, scream, and throw their toys out the cot... go figure! Whereas Java is an 'open' language with zillions of sites telling one EXACTLY how to code, Pick is as closed as it comes. Info is extremely difficult to come by unless you reach a group like this... and who tells a newbie that UniVerse is Pick? Or jBase or D3 or Revelation or... Yes, I know it is annoying for some having to be reminded we all started somewhere. Yeah, I'm all for helping people know about this thing called Pick.. I've been doing it for over 30 years, like some other folk around here, but I'm still not going to get around to every site to fix their code. It'll be nice to know there's a growing fraternity of newcomers to it.. it might give reason for companies to invest in it, and not see the lack of Pickies as reason to think there is no long term investment value... If you think that another 2000 pick-ites will put you out of a job, you need to lift your eyes to the horizon. There are at least 4400 installed sites of Globus / T24, a banking app this is growing new programmers... and even you will not be able to service the workload... dennis On 9 June 2012 05:48, u2ug simpson-u...@gerzio.ca wrote: ... and then you should be all set to put everyone on this list out of a job ... ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Regarding : Usage of the SEL.CMD
RTFM - just like everyone else !! From: satya satya satyapal...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 10:31 AM Subject: [U2] Regarding : Usage of the SEL.CMD Hi Everyone, Can any Explain What is the use of SEL .CMD? In the program i have observed many times using this statement. but i didn't getting clarity on it. So Let, me know your valuable suggestions on this topic. Thank you, Satya. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Regarding : Usage of the SEL.CMD
Read the Fu..ing Manual You ask an obtuse question about code that you are working on - since noone else has seen the code - how do you expect a 'quality' and/or defined response. Also - the manuals are FREE and downloadable off Rocket's website - http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/resources/downloads From: satya satya satyapal...@gmail.com To: Paul Wilson sfr192...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [U2] Regarding : Usage of the SEL.CMD Hi Paul Wilson, What is This RTFM i have never heard about it. Thank you, Satya On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Paul Wilson sfr192...@yahoo.com wrote: RTFM - just like everyone else !! From: satya satya satyapal...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 10:31 AM Subject: [U2] Regarding : Usage of the SEL.CMD Hi Everyone, Can any Explain What is the use of SEL .CMD? In the program i have observed many times using this statement. but i didn't getting clarity on it. So Let, me know your valuable suggestions on this topic. Thank you, Satya. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Regarding : Usage of the SEL.CMD
http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/resources/technical-resources Here's the link to the manuals From: Paul Wilson sfr192...@yahoo.com To: satya satya satyapal...@gmail.com Cc: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [U2] Regarding : Usage of the SEL.CMD Read the Fu..ing Manual You ask an obtuse question about code that you are working on - since noone else has seen the code - how do you expect a 'quality' and/or defined response. Also - the manuals are FREE and downloadable off Rocket's website - http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/resources/downloads From: satya satya satyapal...@gmail.com To: Paul Wilson sfr192...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [U2] Regarding : Usage of the SEL.CMD Hi Paul Wilson, What is This RTFM i have never heard about it. Thank you, Satya On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Paul Wilson sfr192...@yahoo.com wrote: RTFM - just like everyone else !! From: satya satya satyapal...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 10:31 AM Subject: [U2] Regarding : Usage of the SEL.CMD Hi Everyone, Can any Explain What is the use of SEL .CMD? In the program i have observed many times using this statement. but i didn't getting clarity on it. So Let, me know your valuable suggestions on this topic. Thank you, Satya. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] The CONTINUE statement
Some of you are PATHETIC - needing to pat your own back - wtf From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [U2] The CONTINUE statement You're trying to make me form an argument, and that was not my intention at all. Merely to present two contrasting forms of programming to solicit opinion. I have no argument. (Hell freezes over) -Original Message- From: Bill Brutzman bi...@hkmetalcraft.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Apr 26, 2012 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [U2] The CONTINUE statement Why... even Joey Buttafucco has got better polemics... --Bill -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:59 PM ubject: Re: [U2] The CONTINUE statement he point is versus, compare and contrast, opine, pontificate, soapbox, et etera __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU EVERY's waiters when there are writes w/o explicit readu.
That little company called CSC does/did not use readu's - they put login id in field 1 and used that for a 'locking' situation. From: Woodward, Bob bob_woodw...@k2sports.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU EVERY's waiters when there are writes w/o explicit readu. Oh I agree! I was just thinking round-robin that if we're going to talk about adding a LOCKED clause to the WRITE statement, matching the structure of READU, then we ought to have a WRITEU, too. Didn't say I liked the idea -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 3:30 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU EVERY's waiters when there are writes w/o explicit readu. Now why would anybody want to use a WRITE without a READU? I can possibly understand that somebody would want to do it with a WRITEV (i.e writing a flag on a record) but WRITE? And WRITE totally ignoring locking would be outright stupid. On 24/10/2011 22:28, Woodward, Bob wrote: I would think that because you are not trying to obtain the lock in a WRITE statement, it would not be classified as a waiter. True, it's waiting because of the lock but by not trying to obtain the lock, it's only waiting for the blockage to clear. If it were to be classified as a waiter then I would expect to see a LOCKED clause on the WRITE statement like there is on the READU. For that matter, I'd expect to see a WRITEU command as well and the standard WRITE to completely ignore locking. Just my guess, though. BobW -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:12 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU EVERY's waiters when there are writes w/o explicit readu. UV 10.2.10 on Windows is behaving differently from what I recall. Are my expectations out of line? Suppose Session A holds a readu lock; and Session B attempts a WRITE to same record withOUT!!! 1st explicitly getting the readu lock. Session B waits for Session A to release the lock before writing the record. While Session B is waiting, does it show up as a waiter in LIST.READU EVERY? I expected so, but it doesn't. Session A Session B _ ___ 1A. ED VOC DUMMY (this sets the readu lock.) 2A. (stay in editor) 2B. run this: 01: OPEN 'VOC' TO F ELSE STOPM 'nope' 02: ***READU REC FROM F, 'DUMMY' ELSE NULL 03: WRITE '' TO F, 'DUMMY' 3A. Within ED: XEQ LIST.READU EVERY If I UN-comment line 2, LIST.READU EVERY shows something like this: Active Read Waiters: Owner Waiter Device Inode Userno Userno 746117947 232860913 6116 3396 But when I comment out line 2, LIST.READU is silent. I have not yet explored what the deadlock daemon does. TIA, cds P.S. Yes, yes, Bad Form, Legacy Software, 20 min wait is configurable, . . . we can talk later. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU EVERY's waiters when there are writes w/o explicit readu.
Why the 'deadly embrace' issue From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; sfr192...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU EVERY's waiters when there are writes w/o explicit readu. 20 points to anyone who is old enough to remember *why* we couldn't rely on the Locked clause. -Original Message- From: Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com To: Paul Wilson sfr192...@yahoo.com; U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU EVERY's waiters when there are writes w/o explicit readu. Come to think of it, I think customizing CSC's MHC s/w was the 1st time I ever fought this fight. Before that, I had always programmed under a standard that demanded a READU before a WRITE. And every READU needed a LOCKED clause. cds On 10/24/2011 6:57 PM, Paul Wilson wrote: That little company called CSC does/did not use readu's - they put login id in field 1 and used that for a 'locking' situation. From: Woodward, Bobbob_woodw...@k2sports.com To: U2 Users Listu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU EVERY's waiters when there are writes w/o explicit readu. Oh I agree! I was just thinking round-robin that if we're going to talk about adding a LOCKED clause to the WRITE statement, matching the structure of READU, then we ought to have a WRITEU, too. Didn't say I liked the idea -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 3:30 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU EVERY's waiters when there are writes w/o explicit readu. Now why would anybody want to use a WRITE without a READU? I can possibly understand that somebody would want to do it with a WRITEV (i.e writing a flag on a record) but WRITE? And WRITE totally ignoring locking would be outright stupid. On 24/10/2011 22:28, Woodward, Bob wrote: I would think that because you are not trying to obtain the lock in a WRITE statement, it would not be classified as a waiter. True, it's waiting because of the lock but by not trying to obtain the lock, it's only waiting for the blockage to clear. If it were to be classified as a waiter then I would expect to see a LOCKED clause on the WRITE statement like there is on the READU. For that matter, I'd expect to see a WRITEU command as well and the standard WRITE to completely ignore locking. Just my guess, though. BobW -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:12 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU EVERY's waiters when there are writes w/o explicit readu. UV 10.2.10 on Windows is behaving differently from what I recall. Are my expectations out of line? Suppose Session A holds a readu lock; and Session B attempts a WRITE to same record withOUT!!! 1st explicitly getting the readu lock. Session B waits for Session A to release the lock before writing the record. While Session B is waiting, does it show up as a waiter in LIST.READU EVERY? I expected so, but it doesn't. Session A Session B _ ___ 1A. ED VOC DUMMY (this sets the readu lock.) 2A. (stay in editor)2B. run this: 01:OPEN 'VOC' TO F ELSE STOPM 'nope' 02: ***READU REC FROM F, 'DUMMY' ELSE NULL 03:WRITE '' TO F, 'DUMMY' 3A. Within ED: XEQ LIST.READU EVERY If I UN-comment line 2, LIST.READU EVERY shows something like this: Active Read Waiters: Owner Waiter Device Inode Userno Userno 746117947232860913 61163396 But when I comment out line 2, LIST.READU is silent. I have not yet explored what the deadlock daemon does. TIA, cds P.S. Yes, yes, Bad Form, Legacy Software, 20 min wait is configurable, . . . we can talk later. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] SB+ positions available
Where ?? I don't care who at the moment - but where does matter. From: Tom Dodds t...@ix.netcom.com To: U2 User group u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 1:01:11 PM Subject: [U2] SB+ positions available I know a company that is looking for SB+ North America based contract programmers for 3 months projects (to test you) and then you commonly get extended for 6 or 9 months more. Work on-site for project kick off, then remote, on-site for code drops and go-live. Pays well, including TL. Please forward me your contact information with resume and I’ll make the introduction I know no more about these positions than is stated in the prepared announcement above, so don't ask me any questions, just send me your contact info and your resume and I will forward it on to the employer. Good luck. Tom Dodds t...@ix.netcom.com 630.235.2975 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
