Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-04 Thread Anthony W. Youngman 
In message 4a2473a1.7010...@comcast.net, Scott Richardson 
cheetah...@comcast.net writes

Thunderbird does the list on reply w/o intervention.
PS: Wol? any better luck with LinkedIn over across the pond?


Hi Scott,

Still no luck. I can view your invitation just fine. Click on accept, 
and it dies ...


Anybody on the list got any ideas? One thing I should add - Demon have 
just upgraded my exchange to ADSL2, whether that's got anything to do 
with it I don't know - my internet keeps crashing in the evening ...


Cheers,
Wol
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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-04 Thread Anthony W. Youngman 
In message 004001c9e38a$84e5bb50$8eb131...@com, Symeon Breen 
syme...@gmail.com writes


My meaning is that you would run uv on windows server behind a firewall 
and the server would not have a user browsing the internet, or be 
accepting and opening emails. Viruses do not just appear on a windows 
box.  The difference here being server systems of whatever o/s rarely 
get the exposure that allows a virus, this is completely different to 
desktop systems. Viruses for linux do exist but the linux desktop 
market is very small so the virus market is very small.


Viruses do exist, yes, but not only is the desktop market small, also 
there are very few vulnerabilities for a virus to exploit. I understand 
one virus did spread very well, but it targeted a known vulnerability in 
a COTS router.


The reason that spread was that, unlike most linux installs, routers 
aren't regularly updated to remove vulnerabilities.


Cheers,
Wol
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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-04 Thread Anthony W. Youngman 
In message snt110-ds1230a0f57ff48ef6e6dd52cf...@phx.gbl, jpb-u2ug 
jpb-u...@hotmail.com writes


I just rebooted my Linux systems last week the first time in about 6 
months. The reason, because the windows servers on our network have 
been changed so many times that they were finally starting to affect 
Samba on the Linux server. I couldn?t just change the IP addresses 
anymore and restart Samba, I actually had to reboot the system. I have 
had the system up so long that I got a message like Lee?s but I try to 
reboot at least once a year just so the heads don?t weld themselves to 
the disk surface if I do have to bring them down for some reason. I 
don?t think we have ever had a windows server stay up more than a week 
so I think you are either lucky or you very seldom install a patch on 
your server.


The standard with Windows is one server app per server. Then they're 
very stable.


But try running SQL-Server, Exchange, file serving, UV, Domain Services 
etc on one box, and it'll be up and down like you-know-what...

 
Jerry Banker


Cheers,
Wol
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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-02 Thread Symeon Breen 
It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems,

 

What experts ?

 

The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows
viruses.

 

A protected windows server would not be either - we are not talking desktops
here with users surfing the internet all day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Dave R [mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM
To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

Unix has it's own set of administration tools different the windows
administration tools, I don't believe they require about the same knowledge
to use, if you are a windows engineer you would like a windows platform and
if you are a Unix engineer you would prefer Unix.

Even thought I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems as a platform
for a Multi-Value system.  If you want to purchase a new system then I would
go to Reality (contact Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the
rated by the experts as the best of the systems, Unidata would be next, and
UniVerse would be 3rd.  

The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows
viruses.  The second reason is security, Most windows hackers are complete
lost in UNIX.  The Unix systems are more robust.  The file management is
improved in Unix and 

The Unix OS was designed for multi users and by mainframe software engineers
who have a far more knowledge of multi user environments.  

Most companies hire windows network engineers and they don't like the idea
of Unix platforms. However most large companies run Unix or Aix or Hpux for
the platform for Reality or U2.

Some other considerations would be if you are coming from a different
Multi-Value package like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality and UniVerse have
switches to creating an environment to run that flavor of Multi-Value,
requiring little to no conversion of the software and database.  A big cost
factor in the conversion.

 




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-- Original Message --
From: JPB-U2UG jpb-u...@hotmail.com
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500

I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, apart from the
obvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference in
administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix.



 
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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-02 Thread jpb-u2ug 
Let's see now. I have been working on Unix type systems for 30 years and
never had an anti-virus program running on any of them. Can you say the same
about Windows? In that time only one of them got hacked. Can you say the
same about Windows? I can go on if you wish.

 

Jerry Banker

 

From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:07 AM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems,

 

What experts ?

 

The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows
viruses.

 

A protected windows server would not be either - we are not talking desktops
here with users surfing the internet all day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Dave R [mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM
To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

Unix has it's own set of administration tools different the windows
administration tools, I don't believe they require about the same knowledge
to use, if you are a windows engineer you would like a windows platform and
if you are a Unix engineer you would prefer Unix.

Even thought I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems as a platform
for a Multi-Value system.  If you want to purchase a new system then I would
go to Reality (contact Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the
rated by the experts as the best of the systems, Unidata would be next, and
UniVerse would be 3rd.  

The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows
viruses.  The second reason is security, Most windows hackers are complete
lost in UNIX.  The Unix systems are more robust.  The file management is
improved in Unix and 

The Unix OS was designed for multi users and by mainframe software engineers
who have a far more knowledge of multi user environments.  

Most companies hire windows network engineers and they don't like the idea
of Unix platforms. However most large companies run Unix or Aix or Hpux for
the platform for Reality or U2.

Some other considerations would be if you are coming from a different
Multi-Value package like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality and UniVerse have
switches to creating an environment to run that flavor of Multi-Value,
requiring little to no conversion of the software and database.  A big cost
factor in the conversion.

 




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-- Original Message --
From: JPB-U2UG jpb-u...@hotmail.com
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500

I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, apart from the
obvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference in
administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix.



 
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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-02 Thread Lee Bacall 
Right on Jerry.
We recently experienced a violent lightning storm here in South Florida.
While we have a backup generator and multiple UPS systems, transient 
protection, etc.,
we thought it prudent to bring down some systems, do some spring-cleaning and 
vacuum 
out the dust bunnies and cat fur from the fans and filters.

When bringing up one of the SUSE Linux servers, running uniVerse, I was greeted 
with the message:
System has gone 220 days without a shutdown.

To quote Jerry, 
Can you say the same about Windows?


Lee Bacall
http://www.binarystar.com



 
  - Original Message - 
  From: jpb-u2ug 
  To: 'U2 Users List' 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question


  Let's see now. I have been working on Unix type systems for 30 years and 
never had an anti-virus program running on any of them. Can you say the same 
about Windows? In that time only one of them got hacked. Can you say the same 
about Windows? I can go on if you wish.

   

  Jerry Banker

   

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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-02 Thread Symeon Breen 
My meaning is that you would run uv on windows server behind a firewall and
the server would not have a user browsing the internet, or be accepting and
opening emails. Viruses do not just appear on a windows box.  The difference
here being server systems of whatever o/s rarely get the exposure that
allows a virus, this is completely different to desktop systems. Viruses for
linux do exist but the linux desktop market is very small so the virus
market is very small.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jpb-u2ug
Sent: 02 June 2009 13:58
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

Let's see now. I have been working on Unix type systems for 30 years and
never had an anti-virus program running on any of them. Can you say the same
about Windows? In that time only one of them got hacked. Can you say the
same about Windows? I can go on if you wish.

 

Jerry Banker

 

From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:07 AM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems,

 

What experts ?

 

The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows
viruses.

 

A protected windows server would not be either - we are not talking desktops
here with users surfing the internet all day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Dave R [mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM
To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

Unix has it's own set of administration tools different the windows
administration tools, I don't believe they require about the same knowledge
to use, if you are a windows engineer you would like a windows platform and
if you are a Unix engineer you would prefer Unix.

Even thought I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems as a platform
for a Multi-Value system.  If you want to purchase a new system then I would
go to Reality (contact Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the
rated by the experts as the best of the systems, Unidata would be next, and
UniVerse would be 3rd.  

The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows
viruses.  The second reason is security, Most windows hackers are complete
lost in UNIX.  The Unix systems are more robust.  The file management is
improved in Unix and 

The Unix OS was designed for multi users and by mainframe software engineers
who have a far more knowledge of multi user environments.  

Most companies hire windows network engineers and they don't like the idea
of Unix platforms. However most large companies run Unix or Aix or Hpux for
the platform for Reality or U2.

Some other considerations would be if you are coming from a different
Multi-Value package like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality and UniVerse have
switches to creating an environment to run that flavor of Multi-Value,
requiring little to no conversion of the software and database.  A big cost
factor in the conversion.

 




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-- Original Message --
From: JPB-U2UG jpb-u...@hotmail.com
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500

I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, apart from the
obvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference in
administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix.



 
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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-02 Thread jpb-u2ug 
I really didn't want the question of the differences in administration of
Universe to turn into a Unix vs Windows battle. 

 

Jerry Banker

 

Ps: However if you want to then bring it on.:-) On the community list.

 

From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:07 AM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems,

 

What experts ?

 

The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows
viruses.

 

A protected windows server would not be either - we are not talking desktops
here with users surfing the internet all day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Dave R [mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM
To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

Unix has it's own set of administration tools different the windows
administration tools, I don't believe they require about the same knowledge
to use, if you are a windows engineer you would like a windows platform and
if you are a Unix engineer you would prefer Unix.

Even thought I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems as a platform
for a Multi-Value system.  If you want to purchase a new system then I would
go to Reality (contact Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the
rated by the experts as the best of the systems, Unidata would be next, and
UniVerse would be 3rd.  

The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows
viruses.  The second reason is security, Most windows hackers are complete
lost in UNIX.  The Unix systems are more robust.  The file management is
improved in Unix and 

The Unix OS was designed for multi users and by mainframe software engineers
who have a far more knowledge of multi user environments.  

Most companies hire windows network engineers and they don't like the idea
of Unix platforms. However most large companies run Unix or Aix or Hpux for
the platform for Reality or U2.

Some other considerations would be if you are coming from a different
Multi-Value package like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality and UniVerse have
switches to creating an environment to run that flavor of Multi-Value,
requiring little to no conversion of the software and database.  A big cost
factor in the conversion.

 




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eFax (815)4259364

-- Original Message --
From: JPB-U2UG jpb-u...@hotmail.com
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500

I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, apart from the
obvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference in
administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix.



 
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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-02 Thread Norman Bauer 
I'll second that Printing in Windows is much more seamless than
Linux/UNIX. You create a printer and it's there. However what I think
you miss out on in Windows is all the great utilities and diverse
language support that is native to Linux. Your options to get things
done in a native, less hacked together, way on Linux is far stronger
than on Windows.

Like Brian said though, UV is great at ironing out the differences so
really it boils down to how you are going to extend UV. If your going
to use Microsoft solutions then the go Windows. If your going to use
FOSS solutions to extend, then use Linux.

My $.02

Nrom


On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote:
 Hi
 Generally, UV irons out the differences so in most areas where there are
 significant underlying differences like socket library etc. you won't need
 any changes. Others have pointed out the big spooler difference and I can
 vouch for for SpoolerPlus: it does what it says on tin.

 Some other changes:

 - Device configurations e.g. for tapes will be different
 - Unless you change the registry, user name is reported as DOMAIN\username.
 - You are connecting through the UniVerse telnet service, so logging on/off
 is different.
 - Do remember that since type 1/19 files are regular directories, item names
 in these will be case insensitive.

 In general, you may be surprised how close the two implementation are.
 You can always download the personal edition from IBM for Windows to play
 before committing yourself to a migration.

 Brian


 
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 [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of JPB-U2UG
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 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
 Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question

 I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, apart from the
 obvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference in
 administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix.


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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-02 Thread jpb-u2ug 
I just rebooted my Linux systems last week the first time in about 6 months.
The reason, because the windows servers on our network have been changed so
many times that they were finally starting to affect Samba on the Linux
server. I couldn't just change the IP addresses anymore and restart Samba, I
actually had to reboot the system. I have had the system up so long that I
got a message like Lee's but I try to reboot at least once a year just so
the heads don't weld themselves to the disk surface if I do have to bring
them down for some reason. I don't think we have ever had a windows server
stay up more than a week so I think you are either lucky or you very seldom
install a patch on your server.

 

Jerry Banker

 

From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:04 AM
To: 'Lee Bacall'; 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

My main web server running windows server 2003 was last rebooted Feb 2008 ! 

 

I think people when you say windows think about their own experience of
their desktop whereas when it is on a server the whole usage is very
different, that is what i am trying to get across !

 

 

Having said all this yes i would prefer linux just because of its ease of
tuning using the shell and text based config files is much easier than say a
gui and the registry.

 

 

 

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lee Bacall
Sent: 02 June 2009 14:14
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

Right on Jerry.

We recently experienced a violent lightning storm here in South Florida.

While we have a backup generator and multiple UPS systems, transient
protection, etc.,

we thought it prudent to bring down some systems, do some spring-cleaning
and vacuum 

out the dust bunnies and cat fur from the fans and filters.

 

When bringing up one of the SUSE Linux servers, running uniVerse, I was
greeted with the message:

System has gone 220 days without a shutdown.

 

To quote Jerry, 

Can you say the same about Windows?

 

 

Lee Bacall

http://www.binarystar.com

 

 

 

 

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From: jpb-u2ug mailto:jpb-u...@hotmail.com  

To: 'U2 mailto:u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org  Users List' 

Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:58 AM

Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

Let's see now. I have been working on Unix type systems for 30 years and
never had an anti-virus program running on any of them. Can you say the same
about Windows? In that time only one of them got hacked. Can you say the
same about Windows? I can go on if you wish.

 

Jerry Banker

 

 

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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-02 Thread Brian Leach 
Jerry
 
There's a simple answer to *that* question.
 
Having used AIX, HPUX, DGUX, SCO, Interactive, SunOS, Solaris, Linux and
Windows, as well as a plethora of different languages and frameworks.. the
best technology is whatever I'm being PAID to work on at the time :)
 
Brian


  _  

From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jpb-u2ug
Sent: 02 June 2009 15:31
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question



I really didn't want the question of the differences in administration of
Universe to turn into a Unix vs Windows battle. 

 

Jerry Banker

 

Ps: However if you want to then bring it on.:-) On the community list.

 

From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:07 AM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems,

 

What experts ?

 

The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows
viruses.

 

A protected windows server would not be either - we are not talking desktops
here with users surfing the internet all day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Dave R [mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM
To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

Unix has it's own set of administration tools different the windows
administration tools, I don't believe they require about the same knowledge
to use, if you are a windows engineer you would like a windows platform and
if you are a Unix engineer you would prefer Unix.

Even thought I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems as a platform
for a Multi-Value system.  If you want to purchase a new system then I would
go to Reality (contact Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the
rated by the experts as the best of the systems, Unidata would be next, and
UniVerse would be 3rd.  

The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows
viruses.  The second reason is security, Most windows hackers are complete
lost in UNIX.  The Unix systems are more robust.  The file management is
improved in Unix and 

The Unix OS was designed for multi users and by mainframe software engineers
who have a far more knowledge of multi user environments.  

Most companies hire windows network engineers and they don't like the idea
of Unix platforms. However most large companies run Unix or Aix or Hpux for
the platform for Reality or U2.

Some other considerations would be if you are coming from a different
Multi-Value package like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality and UniVerse have
switches to creating an environment to run that flavor of Multi-Value,
requiring little to no conversion of the software and database.  A big cost
factor in the conversion.

 




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eFax (815)4259364

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To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500

I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, apart from the
obvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference in
administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix.



 
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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-02 Thread David A Barrett 
My main web server running windows server 2003 was last rebooted Feb 2008 
! 


I guess you haven't patched it either, then.



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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-02 Thread Bill Haskett 




Jerry:

I think I can say yes. Our Windows "servers" only have AV on any
directory where someone can "upload" a file onto. They're behind a
firewall and there is a very limited number of services available.
There are an extreme number of security settings available in Windows
and I suspect if the "upload" directory didn't have "execute"
privileges that might obviate the need for AV; but I'm just careful and
courteous to those downloading files from this directory.

Our UniData server seems to run without any problems for as long as I
leave it alone. Naturally, when I run Windows update (which I don't
run but once every three or four months) it always seems to "reboot"
itself. So, I don't really know how well it would run if I just left
it alone. But then, in a small business it is often much more cost
effective to reboot a server than try to track down which dependency is
causing problems. :-)

Bill

From: jpb-u2ug jpb-u...@hotmail.com
Sent: 6/2/2009 5:58 AM
To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

  
  
  

  
  Lets
see now. I have been working on Unix type systems for 30 years and
never had an
anti-virus program running on any of them. Can you say the same about
Windows?
In that time only one of them got hacked. Can you say the same about
Windows? I
can go on if you wish.
  
  
  Jerry
Banker
  
  
  
  
  From:
u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon
Breen
  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:07 AM
  To: 'U2 Users List'
  Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question
  
  
  
  It is the
rated by
the experts as the best of the systems,
  
  What
experts ?
  
  The
first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows
viruses.
  
  A
protected windows server would not be either  we are
not talking desktops here with users surfing the internet all day.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: Dave R
[mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] 
  Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM
  To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com
  Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question
  
  
  Unix
has
its own set of administration tools different the windows
administration
tools, I dont believe they require about the same knowledge to use, if
you are a windows engineer you would like a windows platform and if you
are a
Unix engineer you would prefer Unix.
  Even
thought
I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems as a platform for a
Multi-Value
system. If you want to purchase a new system then I would go to
Reality
(contact Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the rated by the
experts
as the best of the systems, Unidata would be next, and UniVerse would
be 3rd.
  
  The
first
reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows viruses.
The
second reason is security, Most windows hackers are complete lost in
UNIX. The Unix systems are more robust. The file management is
improved in Unix and 
  The
Unix OS
was designed for multi users and by mainframe software engineers who
have a far
more knowledge of multi user environments. 
  Most
companies hire windows network engineers and they dont like the idea
of
Unix platforms. However most large companies run Unix or Aix or Hpux
for the
platform for Reality or U2.
  Some
other
considerations would be if you are coming from a different Multi-Value
package
like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality and UniVerse have switches to creating
an
environment to run that flavor of Multi-Value, requiring little to no
conversion of the software and database. A big cost factor in the
conversion.
  
  
  
  
Dave R. 949 757 8519 (work) 
  
eFax (815)4259364
  
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From: "JPB-U2UG" jpb-u...@hotmail.com
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500
  
  I've never worked
with UV on
Windows so I would like to know, apart from the
obvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference in
administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix.
  
  
  
 
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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-02 Thread Symeon Breen 
Simple I don't install patches  that require a reboot - I am running 24x7
high transaction servers here - reboots are not allowed (not strictly true
because of load balancers btw) 

 

As i said before if you have a server either linux or windows you don't
mess about with it you keep it as stable as poss to run your app on.
Similarly we do not install 'patches' on our linux boxes unless we really
have to as you do not know what change that will make and you may have to do
a reboot, a developer installed php 5 on one of our test boxes recently and
broke heaps of stuff ! recently I also had an nfs patch on a dev linux box
and had to reboot afterwards for it to work again.  People are so keen to
get on the lets whip windows bandwagon (personally i think *nix is better as
a server os) but i truly believe the biggest set of problems are not caused
by the os but by the policy of the IT departments that maintain the boxes.
Generally windows is set up to auto patch - this is fine for your desktop
but not for your server - you should clearly understand exactly what each
patch is for and determine if you really need it. Conversely linux is rarely
set to auto patch - probably because you have to pay your subscription in
order to do so.  Linux will require a reboot for some patches  which some
people seem to not know or have forgotten !

 

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jpb-u2ug
Sent: 02 June 2009 16:08
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

I just rebooted my Linux systems last week the first time in about 6 months.
The reason, because the windows servers on our network have been changed so
many times that they were finally starting to affect Samba on the Linux
server. I couldn't just change the IP addresses anymore and restart Samba, I
actually had to reboot the system. I have had the system up so long that I
got a message like Lee's but I try to reboot at least once a year just so
the heads don't weld themselves to the disk surface if I do have to bring
them down for some reason. I don't think we have ever had a windows server
stay up more than a week so I think you are either lucky or you very seldom
install a patch on your server.

 

Jerry Banker

 

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:04 AM
To: 'Lee Bacall'; 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

My main web server running windows server 2003 was last rebooted Feb 2008 ! 

 

I think people when you say windows think about their own experience of
their desktop whereas when it is on a server the whole usage is very
different, that is what i am trying to get across !

 

 

Having said all this yes i would prefer linux just because of its ease of
tuning using the shell and text based config files is much easier than say a
gui and the registry.

 

 

 

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lee Bacall
Sent: 02 June 2009 14:14
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

Right on Jerry.

We recently experienced a violent lightning storm here in South Florida.

While we have a backup generator and multiple UPS systems, transient
protection, etc.,

we thought it prudent to bring down some systems, do some spring-cleaning
and vacuum 

out the dust bunnies and cat fur from the fans and filters.

 

When bringing up one of the SUSE Linux servers, running uniVerse, I was
greeted with the message:

System has gone 220 days without a shutdown.

 

To quote Jerry, 

Can you say the same about Windows?

 

 

Lee Bacall

http://www.binarystar.com

 

 

 

 

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From: jpb-u2ug mailto:jpb-u...@hotmail.com  

To: 'U2 Users List' mailto:u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org  

Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:58 AM

Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

Let's see now. I have been working on Unix type systems for 30 years and
never had an anti-virus program running on any of them. Can you say the same
about Windows? In that time only one of them got hacked. Can you say the
same about Windows? I can go on if you wish.

 

Jerry Banker

 

 

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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-02 Thread John Hester 

From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jpb-u2ug
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:08 AM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

   I just rebooted my Linux systems last week the first time in
about 6 
months. The reason, because the windows servers on our network have
been 
changed so many times that they were finally starting to affect Samba
on the 
Linux server.  

Funny, I just rebooted our linux UV server yesterday for almost the same
reason.  It appeared that some Active Directory replication problems had
hosed cached winbind data somewhere and it was affecting users' ability
to log into UV.  When rebooting the AD servers and clearing the winbind
cache files no longer helped, I was forced to reboot the linux server.
It had been up for 408 days.  My coworker who handles the Windows admin
duties joked, up for 408 days and eventually brought down by Windows.

All joking aside, both up time and patching policies are important
considerations when evaluating the differences between Windows and
linux/unix as a platform for UV.  The downsides of patching are that it
may force a reboot (although moreso on Windows) and carries some
inherent risk of breaking key functionality (although moreso on
linux/unix).  The reason I make the latter assertion is that the wide
variety of linux/unix platforms and relatively small individual market
share for each results in less thorough patch testing.  Windows
platforms, on the other hand, are much more vanilla.  If you have a
Windows 2003 server with service pack 2 and all the latest patches
installed, you can be reasonably sure it's nearly identical to all the
other fully patched W2K3 SP2 servers out there.  If you wait a few weeks
to install a Windows patch, there's a good chance any problems with it
will have already affected some other poor saps and their complaints
will be all over google.

That vanilla nature of Windows that makes patching safer also makes it
more critical.  A virus writer who's discovered a way to exploit a
Windows service can be reasonably certain that if the exploit works
against one Windows machine, it will work against most of them.  Also,
simply keeping a Windows server behind a firewall is no guarantee of
safety.  A desktop user may be become infected via a browser or mail
attachment exploit that will scan the network looking for vulnerable
servers to propogate to.  On the other hand, attempting to write a virus
or worm that will reliably exploit a service on various versions of
RedHat, SuSe, Ubuntu, HP-UX, AIX, etc. would be a tall order.  Virus
writing today is a for-profit business, and it just makes more economic
sense to target Windows.

I don't think that one platform is necessarily better than the other for
UV, but I do think one may be a better fit than the other for a given
site.  I prefer running UV on linux in our environment for a number of
reasons (cron scheduler, shell scripting, free OS utilities), but for a
site that has mostly Windows expertise and isn't affected by off-hours
reboots, UV on Windows might make more sense.

-John
 

 

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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-01 Thread Brian Leach 
Hi David
 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\IBM\UniVerse\CurrentVersion\UseShortUserNames.
(May not exist on installation)
It's a DWORD, set to 1 to show user names without the domain prefix.
 
Regards
 
Brian



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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Jordan
Sent: 01 June 2009 00:25
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question



Hi Brian

 

Where is the registry change for the DOMAIN\username in windows, I have been
caught by that problem before and did not know their was a simpler solution.

 

Regards

 

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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-01 Thread jpb-u2ug 
How interesting, you can't just reply to the email anymore, you have to
change the to address.

 

Jerry Banker

 

From: Dave R [mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM
To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

Unix has it's own set of administration tools different the windows
administration tools, I don't believe they require about the same knowledge
to use, if you are a windows engineer you would like a windows platform and
if you are a Unix engineer you would prefer Unix.

Even thought I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems as a platform
for a Multi-Value system.  If you want to purchase a new system then I would
go to Reality (contact Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the
rated by the experts as the best of the systems, Unidata would be next, and
UniVerse would be 3rd.  

The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows
viruses.  The second reason is security, Most windows hackers are complete
lost in UNIX.  The Unix systems are more robust.  The file management is
improved in Unix and 

The Unix OS was designed for multi users and by mainframe software engineers
who have a far more knowledge of multi user environments.  

Most companies hire windows network engineers and they don't like the idea
of Unix platforms. However most large companies run Unix or Aix or Hpux for
the platform for Reality or U2.

Some other considerations would be if you are coming from a different
Multi-Value package like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality and UniVerse have
switches to creating an environment to run that flavor of Multi-Value,
requiring little to no conversion of the software and database.  A big cost
factor in the conversion.

 




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From: JPB-U2UG jpb-u...@hotmail.com
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500

I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, apart from the
obvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference in
administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix.



 
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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-01 Thread Larry Hiscock 
It might be your email client, Jerry.  I have the lists setup to reply-to
the list itself (the default for Mailman is to reply to the original
sender).  Using MS Outlook 2007 here, I just clicked reply to this post, and
the list address was automatically selected.

 

Larry Hiscock

Moderator

 

From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jpb-u2ug
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:51 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

How interesting, you can't just reply to the email anymore, you have to
change the to address.

 

Jerry Banker

 

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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-01 Thread Don Verhagen 
 My Outlook Express 2003 directs replies directly back to the list.

-- Don V


 -Original Message-
 From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
 [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jpb-u2ug
 Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 6:51 PM
 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
 Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question
 
 How interesting, you can't just reply to the email anymore, 
 you have to change the to address.
 
  
 
 Jerry Banker
 
  
 
 From: Dave R [mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] 
 Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM
 To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question
 
  
 
 Unix has it's own set of administration tools different the 
 windows administration tools, I don't believe they require 
 about the same knowledge to use, if you are a windows 
 engineer you would like a windows platform and if you are a 
 Unix engineer you would prefer Unix.
 
 Even thought I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems 
 as a platform for a Multi-Value system.  If you want to 
 purchase a new system then I would go to Reality (contact 
 Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the rated by 
 the experts as the best of the systems, Unidata would be 
 next, and UniVerse would be 3rd.  
 
 The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by 
 Windows viruses.  The second reason is security, Most windows 
 hackers are complete lost in UNIX.  The Unix systems are more 
 robust.  The file management is improved in Unix and 
 
 The Unix OS was designed for multi users and by mainframe 
 software engineers who have a far more knowledge of multi 
 user environments.  
 
 Most companies hire windows network engineers and they don't 
 like the idea of Unix platforms. However most large companies 
 run Unix or Aix or Hpux for the platform for Reality or U2.
 
 Some other considerations would be if you are coming from a 
 different Multi-Value package like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality 
 and UniVerse have switches to creating an environment to run 
 that flavor of Multi-Value, requiring little to no conversion 
 of the software and database.  A big cost factor in the conversion.
 
  
 
 
 
 
 Dave R. 949 757 8519 (work) 
 
 eFax (815)4259364
 
 -- Original Message --
 From: JPB-U2UG jpb-u...@hotmail.com
 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
 Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question
 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500
 
 I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, 
 apart from the
 obvious differences of the operating system, is there much 
 difference in
 administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix.
 
 
 
  
 Criminal Lawyers - Click here. 
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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-01 Thread Scott Richardson 

Thunderbird does the list on reply w/o intervention.

PS: Wol? any better luck with LinkedIn over across the pond?

--

Regards,
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Marlborough, MA 01752
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Don Verhagen wrote:

 My Outlook Express 2003 directs replies directly back to the list.

-- Don V
  

-Original Message-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jpb-u2ug

Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 6:51 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

How interesting, you can't just reply to the email anymore, 
you have to change the to address.


 


Jerry Banker

 

From: Dave R [mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM

To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

Unix has it's own set of administration tools different the 
windows administration tools, I don't believe they require 
about the same knowledge to use, if you are a windows 
engineer you would like a windows platform and if you are a 
Unix engineer you would prefer Unix.


Even thought I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems 
as a platform for a Multi-Value system.  If you want to 
purchase a new system then I would go to Reality (contact 
Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the rated by 
the experts as the best of the systems, Unidata would be 
next, and UniVerse would be 3rd.  

The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by 
Windows viruses.  The second reason is security, Most windows 
hackers are complete lost in UNIX.  The Unix systems are more 
robust.  The file management is improved in Unix and 

The Unix OS was designed for multi users and by mainframe 
software engineers who have a far more knowledge of multi 
user environments.  

Most companies hire windows network engineers and they don't 
like the idea of Unix platforms. However most large companies 
run Unix or Aix or Hpux for the platform for Reality or U2.


Some other considerations would be if you are coming from a 
different Multi-Value package like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality 
and UniVerse have switches to creating an environment to run 
that flavor of Multi-Value, requiring little to no conversion 
of the software and database.  A big cost factor in the conversion.


 





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From: JPB-U2UG jpb-u...@hotmail.com
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500

I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, 
apart from the
obvious differences of the operating system, is there much 
difference in

administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix.



 
Criminal Lawyers - Click here. 
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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-06-01 Thread Jo Lester 

Testing a reply
 


Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:34:41 -0400
From: cheetah...@comcast.net
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

Thunderbird does the list on reply w/o intervention.
PS: Wol? any better luck with LinkedIn over across the pond?-- 
Regards,
Scott Richardson
** 
Sr. Systems Engineer *  IT Consultant
Marlborough, MA 01752
CheetahFTL
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Don Verhagen wrote: 
 My Outlook Express 2003 directs replies directly back to the list.

-- Don V
  
-Original Message-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jpb-u2ug
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 6:51 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

How interesting, you can't just reply to the email anymore, 
you have to change the to address.

 

Jerry Banker

 

From: Dave R [mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM
To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question

 

Unix has it's own set of administration tools different the 
windows administration tools, I don't believe they require 
about the same knowledge to use, if you are a windows 
engineer you would like a windows platform and if you are a 
Unix engineer you would prefer Unix.

Even thought I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems 
as a platform for a Multi-Value system.  If you want to 
purchase a new system then I would go to Reality (contact 
Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the rated by 
the experts as the best of the systems, Unidata would be 
next, and UniVerse would be 3rd.  

The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by 
Windows viruses.  The second reason is security, Most windows 
hackers are complete lost in UNIX.  The Unix systems are more 
robust.  The file management is improved in Unix and 

The Unix OS was designed for multi users and by mainframe 
software engineers who have a far more knowledge of multi 
user environments.  

Most companies hire windows network engineers and they don't 
like the idea of Unix platforms. However most large companies 
run Unix or Aix or Hpux for the platform for Reality or U2.

Some other considerations would be if you are coming from a 
different Multi-Value package like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality 
and UniVerse have switches to creating an environment to run 
that flavor of Multi-Value, requiring little to no conversion 
of the software and database.  A big cost factor in the conversion.

 




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From: JPB-U2UG jpb-u...@hotmail.com
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Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500

I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, 
apart from the
obvious differences of the operating system, is there much 
difference in
administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix.



 
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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-05-31 Thread David Jordan 
Hi Brian

Where is the registry change for the DOMAIN\username in windows, I have been 
caught by that problem before and did not know their was a simpler solution.

Regards

David Jordan


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Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question

2009-05-30 Thread wagnersm 
Others could probably reply better than I can, my experience is many years old, but the biggest difference that I remember was the UV/Win did not have the spooler that UV/Unix had. We ended up writing our own by hacking the SP-ASSIGN verb.Steve-Original Message-
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Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question






I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, apart from 
theobvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference 
inadministering the database in Windows as compared to 
Linux/Unix.

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